Ninja to Koroshiya no Futarigurashi - Ch. 51

[zairaner]

Now this is ethically sourced assassin rank rising!

 

[Zhangar]

Baiting the organization into self-destructing by throwing all of its talent into the the blender that is Konoha/Marin/Satoko is certainly a hell of way to wrap this up quickly.

Konoha and Marin always punched way above their actual rankings, they're just such slobs that they always lost points from it.

...

I wonder if #1 is the head of the ninja village.

 

[MelonManic]

If your trick is invisibility than no shit the amount of people matters
Ya would've had a better chance if you didn't strike while they were with fucking super geniuses

I mean, you could've just not? What were you locked into the organization so there was no real escape?
If the only reason you accepted your on the wrong side is just that the it means it was only your choice but id you know killing innocents are wrong then why is it too late to just move away from that side? You didn't explain you had no choice which means you just chose to continue evil?
I am... Confusion

Oh by that logic of you clones aren't human that means killing you is not murder
Please remain in one place

Wait- would knives really kill people with less pain than a Glock? Wouldn't you wanna end them as fast and humanly as possible? Glocks end humans in seconds while knives there's multiple factors cause you have to be in close, you could miss something vital stacking the time their in pain before death, there could be a struggle, more factors than a Glock so how on gods green earth does a knife cause less suffering than a gun??

Ah yes, a brilliant idea where everyones on board until a top tier assassin beyond your skill level takes notice and no words the lot of you
Have a nice day

 

[user1176]

Okay, that take really rubs me the wrong way. It honestly gives me the ick.
Seriously, why does everything always have to boil down to pregnancy? That's such a flat, and honestly kinda gross, way to view characters and their relationships. It totally ignores all the emotional depth and connection that matters, reducing everything to... well, breeding.
That level of cynicism isn't being insightful, it just feels creepy and reductive. It kinda misses the whole point of stories about people and their bonds. Can we just... not？

Maybe I'm just an old-timer who has endured several decades of yuribait to evolve into the cynical monster I am today. But I'm dead serious half-expecting Boy Marin to impregnate one or perhaps more than one of these girls by the time this series ends.

 

[Saya-chi]

If your trick is invisibility than no shit the amount of people matters
Ya would've had a better chance if you didn't strike while they were with fucking super geniuses

I mean, you could've just not? What were you locked into the organization so there was no real escape?
If the only reason you accepted your on the wrong side is just that the it means it was only your choice but id you know killing innocents are wrong then why is it too late to just move away from that side? You didn't explain you had no choice which means you just chose to continue evil?
I am... Confusion

Oh by that logic of you clones aren't human that means killing you is not murder
Please remain in one place

Wait- would knives really kill people with less pain than a Glock? Wouldn't you wanna end them as fast and humanly as possible? Glocks end humans in seconds while knives there's multiple factors cause you have to be in close, you could miss something vital stacking the time their in pain before death, there could be a struggle, more factors than a Glock so how on gods green earth does a knife cause less suffering than a gun??

Ah yes, a brilliant idea where everyones on board until a top tier assassin beyond your skill level takes notice and no words the lot of you
Have a nice day

It is an established fact in series, you can't leave association, they will get you, and by that I don't mean just killing you, they will go for anything you love or cherish before you, so Marin had to make peace with the fact that she will have to keep killing, or one day association will start staring daggers at her, literally. Which funnily enough won't matter now, because they plan to kill association one by one or in groups through legal means inside Association itself
Also I imagine it is about her skill with knives, she can kill people as painlessly as possible with knife, she don't have same amount of skill with guns, just as a fact I seen once, very gory real footage, man tried to delete himself with shotgun in the head, he shot wrong, lost most of his face, but was still alive, conscious and in horrible agony, so guns can cause infinitely more suffering hitting wrong, than knife that she knows she can skillfully thrust to make it fast

 

[MelonManic]

It is an established fact in series, you can't leave association, they will get you, and by that I don't mean just killing you, they will go for anything you love or cherish before you, so Marin had to make peace with the fact that she will have to keep killing, or one day association will start staring daggers at her, literally. Which funnily enough won't matter now, because they plan to kill association one by one or in groups through legal means inside Association itself
Also I imagine it is about her skill with knives, she can kill people as painlessly as possible with knife, she don't have same amount of skill with guns, just as a fact I seen once, very gory real footage, man tried to delete himself with shotgun in the head, he shot wrong, lost most of his face, but was still alive, conscious and in horrible agony, so guns can cause infinitely more suffering hitting wrong, than knife that she knows she can skillfully thrust to make it fast

I mean my issue with the first point is marin doesn't actually say anything to acknowledge that, her reasoning isnt that she can't leave it's just welp, I guess I should own myself as a bad guy now, she just assumes she's too far gone and to continue being evil, she doesn't reestablish herself that the not being able to leave the association is actually reason for her accepting her role it's not even addressed
So it looks like she realized killing was wrong and kept going with it because she's in too deep
We also don't know why or how she could come to the conclusion she has no escape as that realization has to come from somewhere right? Who did she learn it from how did she learn it, did she even know at that point she decides to double down because she's just a bad guy now? It may be established in the story the association locks their guys in place but does young marin who didn't even realize she was on the wrong until an innocent was killed know? If she did know why didn't she address it?

And on Glock vs knife... I ain't got nothing on that, your logic is sound... The story doesn't really explain that she just claims guns cause more suffering which is only if used wrong and the same can be said for knives, she is basically just better with knives that is the only explanation she gives that really makes sense, both tools cause stuffering and both can be used to cause more suffering, I dont see how one goes over the other unless she had like a situation where she used a gun and it took forever to kill her target and they were just suffering... Wait, I wonder if it'll be revealed something like that happened
What do you think?

 

[Saya-chi]

I mean my issue with the first point is marin doesn't actually say anything to acknowledge that, her reasoning isnt that she can't leave it's just welp, I guess I should own myself as a bad guy now, she just assumes she's too far gone and to continue being evil, she doesn't reestablish herself that the not being able to leave the association is actually reason for her accepting her role it's not even addressed
So it looks like she realized killing was wrong and kept going with it because she's in too deep
We also don't know why or how she could come to the conclusion she has no escape as that realization has to come from somewhere right? Who did she learn it from how did she learn it, did she even know at that point she decides to double down because she's just a bad guy now? It may be established in the story the association locks their guys in place but does young marin who didn't even realize she was on the wrong until an innocent was killed know? If she did know why didn't she address it?

And on Glock vs knife... I ain't got nothing on that, your logic is sound... The story doesn't really explain that she just claims guns cause more suffering which is only if used wrong and the same can be said for knives, she is basically just better with knives that is the only explanation she gives that really makes sense, both tools cause stuffering and both can be used to cause more suffering, I dont see how one goes over the other unless she had like a situation where she used a gun and it took forever to kill her target and they were just suffering... Wait, I wonder if it'll be revealed something like that happened
What do you think?

I think that your point is valid but only in fact that they could show it clearer in vacuum, but it would take more pages, if it was a book, author could spend more time on reminders, manga however have page limits almost always, and if not page limit then simple production time limit, reminding of the Association trapping their assassions properly would take one or half page, and we already seen how they threatened Konoha, I actually like that they didn't just squish everything in one pile, and things that can be deduced from previous knowledge are left for readers to rememeber and connect

As for guns vs. knifes, knowing how long Konoha were in the busines, also I think she did in fact use sniper rifle during big all out gang war, I think there may have easily been time when she could only use a gun, and due to distance and active resistance she may have needed to kill target bit by bit shooting their arms or legs, not getting chance for headshot, knife forces very close distance and at such she can hit instakill spot very fast and precise, we have seen many times how fast her kills are
Also, guns are super loud even with silencers, killing civilians in silence is much easier with knife, considering that she is already bad at hiding corpses, making a lot of noise near the corpse is even worse. So overall all points of her talents, own principles and requirements just point at knifes, more practical reasons could be what old and not drunk Konoha could list, while current and drunk one chosen to voice her personal reason

 

[MelonManic]

I think that your point is valid but only in fact that they could show it clearer in vacuum, but it would take more pages, if it was a book, author could spend more time on reminders, manga however have page limits almost always, and if not page limit then simple production time limit, reminding of the Association trapping their assassions properly would take one or half page, and we already seen how they threatened Konoha, I actually like that they didn't just squish everything in one pile, and things that can be deduced from previous knowledge are left for readers to rememeber and connect

As for guns vs. knifes, knowing how long Konoha were in the busines, also I think she did in fact use sniper rifle during big all out gang war, I think there may have easily been time when she could only use a gun, and due to distance and active resistance she may have needed to kill target bit by bit shooting their arms or legs, not getting chance for headshot, knife forces very close distance and at such she can hit instakill spot very fast and precise, we have seen many times how fast her kills are
Also, guns are super loud even with silencers, killing civilians in silence is much easier with knife, considering that she is already bad at hiding corpses, making a lot of noise near the corpse is even worse. So overall all points of her talents, own principles and requirements just point at knifes, more practical reasons could be what old and not drunk Konoha could list, while current and drunk one chosen to voice her personal reason

My issue is that it wasn't introduced as a reason for her specifically in the first place, there is no mention she can't leave, she doesn't see evidence of such and she's no reason to believe it so considering it doesn't seem she was told that much to begin with, it's not established not even a lil that at the point in time she makes that decision it's because the association would be on her ass, her entire reasoning is that she's the bad guy now and should own it
She doesn't even acknowledge that as something that could happen, there's not a single line, The internal logic falls apart whether you feel a reminder of past world building she be repeatedly brought up or not, this isn't quite a situation where you can leave out details for people to infer because the character needs to address those details for their own reasoning
I don't even think it would take a whole page to address it, a whole reminder of how the system works isn't necessary that's silly, but a single line mentioning how she realized there is no escape, acknowledging that's a factor in her reasoning or the main driving force would go a loooong way here

Back to Glock vs knife, I think that makes me more confused why she that line exists more than anything, she explains she's better with a knife, and she's willing to use guns when nesscecary without and issue, so then there's no avoidance there why was this personal reason necessary when we know she's better with a knife and we see how efficient she is with a knife, and infer how much so with what you've done here very nice, so it seems she sees the amount of suffering between both weapons as not as much then? Given there's no issue using either and using a knife makes more sense for her specific style, But then why is it big enough to be a personal thing then? I still don't see how she came to that conclusion and am more confused
But again perhaps it'll be elaborated on in a later chapter, I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation to be granted later

Hope yer day is nice mate

 

[Saya-chi]

My issue is that it wasn't introduced as a reason for her specifically in the first place, there is no mention she can't leave, she doesn't see evidence of such and she's no reason to believe it so considering it doesn't seem she was told that much to begin with, it's not established not even a lil that at the point in time she makes that decision it's because the association would be on her ass, her entire reasoning is that she's the bad guy now and should own it
She doesn't even acknowledge that as something that could happen, there's not a single line, The internal logic falls apart whether you feel a reminder of past world building she be repeatedly brought up or not, this isn't quite a situation where you can leave out details for people to infer because the character needs to address those details for their own reasoning
I don't even think it would take a whole page to address it, a whole reminder of how the system works isn't necessary that's silly, but a single line mentioning how she realized there is no escape, acknowledging that's a factor in her reasoning or the main driving force would go a loooong way here

Back to Glock vs knife, I think that makes me more confused why she that line exists more than anything, she explains she's better with a knife, and she's willing to use guns when nesscecary without and issue, so then there's no avoidance there why was this personal reason necessary when we know she's better with a knife and we see how efficient she is with a knife, and infer how much so with what you've done here very nice, so it seems she sees the amount of suffering between both weapons as not as much then? Given there's no issue using either and using a knife makes more sense for her specific style, But then why is it big enough to be a personal thing then? I still don't see how she came to that conclusion and am more confused
But again perhaps it'll be elaborated on in a later chapter, I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation to be granted later

Hope yer day is nice mate

Mmm, once again I cna understand why you would like more mention of it, but I honestly don't think it is necessary not everything needs to be mentioned to remember it is part of the picture, association rules are same for everyone who works for them, if you try to back off or slow down someone will come and threaten you, moreover, we see that she already had an association supervisor, the man that killed little girl, it is not hard to imagine that he would tell her that htere is no way out, so she skipped it right onto her coping mechanism, also not to forget, she is very smart even if often she is goofy cutie patootie, and were smart as a kid too, once she realised that her pillar is broken other details will flash in the head. Yes it could all be addressed in couple words or sentences, but I don't feel that it is necessary

Konoha was severly drunk, so she could easily put much more weight on her small but important personal reasoning than she or anyone would normally do, also it is huge comedic value in making her shy and embarassed that her deep silly inner thought was exposed

 

[MelonManic]

Mmm, once again I cna understand why you would like more mention of it, but I honestly don't think it is necessary not everything needs to be mentioned to remember it is part of the picture, association rules are same for everyone who works for them, if you try to back off or slow down someone will come and threaten you, moreover, we see that she already had an association supervisor, the man that killed little girl, it is not hard to imagine that he would tell her that htere is no way out, so she skipped it right onto her coping mechanism, also not to forget, she is very smart even if often she is goofy cutie patootie, and were smart as a kid too, once she realised that her pillar is broken other details will flash in the head. Yes it could all be addressed in couple words or sentences, but I don't feel that it is necessary

Konoha was severly drunk, so she could easily put much more weight on her small but important personal reasoning than she or anyone would normally do, also it is huge comedic value in making her shy and embarassed that her deep silly inner thought was exposed

It's not for the audience it's for the character, it was not so much as mentioned as part of her reasoning nor is there a seed of it anywhere in there, therefore there is no implication to make
I wanna say your making assumptions mate, this isn't a matter of repeating past information this is character motivation and insuring it works, it's as simple as that
How the association works cannot apply to how the character makes a decision unless directly referenced in some capacity, her mindset at that point is she's done bad things therefore she continues to do bad things because she did bad things, there's no room to add anything to that

I don't see why the supervisor guy would tell her there is no way out, which in itself reads as a threat mind you, or why it should be assumed either, at the end of the day this is speculation and speculation is speculation, it was not founded in the story so it's not likely to be true, If the story thought it important, it would tell us

Also real quick being smart can't make up for a lack of information or lack of motivation to discover said information, assuming escape is a factor in her reasoning it'd be big enough to mention I imagine given it kinda reframes everything

And I don't see how her being drunk changes anything, her reasoning came before she got drunk right? And her reaction to learning about her spilling these details implies she still stands by them given she's not denied it

 

[Saya-chi]

It's not for the audience it's for the character, it was not so much as mentioned as part of her reasoning nor is there a seed of it anywhere in there, therefore there is no implication to make
I wanna say your making assumptions mate, this isn't a matter of repeating past information this is character motivation and insuring it works, it's as simple as that
How the association works cannot apply to how the character makes a decision unless directly referenced in some capacity, her mindset at that point is she's done bad things therefore she continues to do bad things because she did bad things, there's no room to add anything to that

I don't see why the supervisor guy would tell her there is no way out, which in itself reads as a threat mind you, or why it should be assumed either, at the end of the day this is speculation and speculation is speculation, it was not founded in the story so it's not likely to be true, If the story thought it important, it would tell us

Also real quick being smart can't make up for a lack of information or lack of motivation to discover said information, assuming escape is a factor in her reasoning it'd be big enough to mention I imagine given it kinda reframes everything

And I don't see how her being drunk changes anything, her reasoning came before she got drunk right? And her reaction to learning about her spilling these details implies she still stands by them given she's not denied it

Mmm, I will just say that we probably have very different views on stuff, which is why our arguments don't quite make much weight to each other, so let's keep it at that, or we will just go in circles for who knows how long, hope you have a good day, and that new chapter will come soon

 

[MelonManic]

Mmm, I will just say that we probably have very different views on stuff, which is why our arguments don't quite make much weight to each other, so let's keep it at that, or we will just go in circles for who knows how long, hope you have a good day, and that new chapter will come soon

That's cool, nice discussion while it lasted
Have a nice day too