Ogami-san Can’t Keep It In - Vol. 2 Ch. 8 - Goat backpage

[Tarage]

This dork is a good dork.

 

[MasterPannya]

DAMN, SHE'S LEWD.

 

[VladDracul2]

@givemersspls I can see your point of view and have come to term with most things that you're saying (the TVTropes thing, for example, caught me by surprise because I hadn't seen the page on Iris Zero). However there are two things that must be clarified here:

First, while the manga focuses on Oogami and the hypocrisy that is the way society looks down upon perverted thoughts being expressed while it glorifies sexuality, leading to a "look but don't look" mentality, what I was saying here was geared towards what wasn't shown nor expressed, being what the guy had to experience and come to terms with in his past; we're not shown the implications and experiences of the breaking of the tatemae because we're expected to already know about it, kinda like how we know why a previously convicted murderer and his family are being shunned by society despite not being shown any of that in the manga, it's simply what we "already know" will happen and why it happened.

Second, when I said it was his fault I didn't mean it was his fault in the same way as a guy that pulls a trigger or someone who stumbles accidentally and breaks something, it's his fault the same way as when a little girl looks to her left and gets scared out of her wits while screaming because she saw a guy that had a horrible tumor on his face (in an age or place without the means to operate the damn thing out of the guy's face): Did the guy mean to scare the girl? No. Did the guy have any control on his physical impairment? No. Did the guy ever want the tumor that caused people to fear him? Hell no. Did he have any control on the actions that caused the little girl to become scared? Any argument would lead to a sound "No". Was it the girl's fault for looking to the guy and/or getting scared by him? Even if you tried to argue for a "Yes", it would make you look like an idiot. Can we blame the guy for walking on the outside despite him scaring people? That would be horrible, so No. Can we blame the girl for walking on the outside and exposing herself to scary things like him? Only way to get anything but a "No" would be by doing cocaine until you got an overdose. Sadly, what happened here was a tragic situation that was caused by accident and nobody could be blamed for it; but when push comes to shove, who is the one we're most likely to "blame" when we want to look for a guilty party? The little girl, the sad inescapable circumstances that lead to this accident or the guy with the tumor? And even worse, who will be the one who will feel the most guilty about this? Will it be the little girl for being scared or the guy that scared the little girl? Nobody can be blamed nor should be blamed, but people will feel guilty anyways and will feel like the ones at "fault".
Gosh that was one long rant, I feel like one of them anime warriors that defend their favorite series from any kind of criticism with claw and tooth even if the people are right.

Also, I believe I am partly mostly at fault here for expressing myself wrongly and saying I appreciate more the differences than the similarities, I guess I just wanted to give my argument more weight and differentiate our positions more; I am more apt at finding differences on stuff, since I take everything into account, from the social environment to the upbringing and any and all circumstances surrounding the people in question, it could be said that I like individuality more so I got a bit defensive when I mistakenly saw your comment as another one of those guys that group everything under the same category and see every manga as a repetition of all the characters that they saw this one time, ignoring the individualities of the characters or the circumstances that made them. So yeah, I overreacted a bit.

 

[ArpanaR]

@SoloSera My point exactly! Even the title of the book seems fishy! What’s with that ‘first love guidebook for boys during puberty’? Well, he selected that kinda book probably indicates-
1) He has a feeling it’s love (but not sure)
2) he doesn’t want to directly consult it with someone
3) He really doesn’t know much about love (and about fishy books?)

 

[Tradless]

This chapter is very informative, I love it

 

[hbalck]

@ZeonII lmao, very appropriate. ?

 

[Choco_Pudding]

AAAAAAAA
Cute....

 

[honeybee10]

HE LIJES HER!! ?... right?

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

@VladDracul2 @givemersspls I don't think the source of the ostracization is necessarily important. But, whatever else might be the case I really don't get the impression this guy was ever really bullied. I'm not sure he was even shunned all that much. Thing is, he's tall handsome and dignified, and he has something to make people wary . . . the impression I get is that he was more . . . set apart, and if anything half of it was his doing, pulling away lest he cause harm, rather than a campaign by others to leave him out. I don't think he was looked down on, and if anything his distance from social interaction was almost a matter of . . . noblesse oblige, compassion for his fragile peers. So I do think there's a significant difference there from your typical situation of ostracizing and bullying.

OK, that out of the way . . . squee! So cute!

 

[havelmom]

? she wants it bad

 

[Markgraf]

Considering that Oogami is less than one academic year away from her experience with the 'perverted demon lord' incident in middle school, she's being very positive & proactive in developing her relationship with Yaginuma-kun. This is one of her most appealing charm points. She may still be sensitive to the possible fallout if she carelessly exposed her thoughts to her classmates, but she isn't letting her fears hobble her hopes & dreams. I find her to be one of the most likable female protagonists in the ~140 series I'm following on MD.

 

[RedOnYellow]

What a couple of cute dorks.

 

[kuma]

ahhh... it's happening... damn... nice!

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

@givemersspls Goes to show you can see the same thing and interpret it differently. I saw the main thing there being him seeing some people embarrassing themselves horribly from touching him and deciding he didn't want to do that to more people, thus "gave up on making friends himself", more than other people making it impossible for him to have any. Not that nobody distanced themselves from him, I'm sure some people who had been friends or acquaintances pulled back, but the essence for me is his decision (being a good hearted and unselfish guy) to avoid inflicting that on anyone else. So there's this strong element of choice, and also generosity of spirit, that makes it different from the simple results of bullying.

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

@givemersspls Wut? Read what I said again. "you can see the same thing and interpret it differently" is an indication that people can, uh, see the same thing and interpret it differently. Then I say "I saw" things being a certain way and "the essence for me" was such and such. That is, I'm telling you how I saw it and how things seemed for me. It's not a claim that this is the absolute truth; I was quite specifically saysing that there is room for different interpretations. Sure, I feel comfortable in my interpretation and I think it has some backing in the text--sue me. But I didn't say your interpretation was not a possible one, so don't get your knickers in a twist.

 

[Nightlilygirl-]

Hmm, yeah, wanting to touch a friend doesn't necessarily mean you love them romantically, especially if you're not usually that touchyfeely, but hey, all is good to help with a MC's denseness XD.

 

[Sola]

https://mangadex.org/chapter/506981/32

"It is love. But if she doesn't consent to touching, a police car will come."

LMAO

 

[Glomoro]

"It is love. But if she doesn't consent to touching, a police car will come."

LMAO

@Sola

 

[Fokskin]

@Glomoro I'm kinda curious, what manga is that from?

 

[Glomoro]

@Fokskin If you don't recognize that at all, you should drop everything and go read Jitsu Wa Watashi Wa. I'm not saying it's the best series you'll ever read, but it's probably better than a bunch of the things you're currently reading. Including this, which is a fine series and all but it's no Jitsu Wa Watashi Wa. Bonus, it's already completed and you can binge the entire thing at your leisure. The author's other stuff is worth taking a glance at too, but again, they're no Jitsu Wa Watashi Wa. Absolutely blows their other series out of the water.

Your mileage may vary? Maybe you'll absolutely hate it and adore one of their other things, I don't know. That's kind of how these things go sometimes. But yeah, this is one of the very few series out there that I would ever give a glowing recommendation for, everything else I tend to settle for the "It works for me."