Onii-chan Is Done For! - Vol. 9 Ch. 86.9 - Minato-kun is Done For? 1.5

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BTW I'm totally supportive of the peeps who like the interpretation of trans/egg Minato. Just... don't step on the toes of peeps who like having some femboy rep in a TS manga. We can coexist. In fact we should, we're allies in subverting gender norms.
 
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That's a you problem.

Just because you have a high libido and can't think of nothing but porn doesn't mean you're a woman when you jack off to imagining yourself as a woman.
It's a problem with everybody with a penis. It's sure it presents itself as an issue with people with vaginas. It's such a prevalent thing that the no reason boner was a meme during my adolescence.

The thing you're missing is that my trans friends generally are too busy fucking each other and tend to dislike masturbation.
 
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BTW I'm totally supportive of the peeps who like the interpretation of trans/egg Minato. Just... don't step on the toes of peeps who like having some femboy rep in a TS manga. We can coexist. In fact we should, we're allies in subverting gender norms.
Sorry, but as a femboy enjoyer, I lost hope for that coexistence and potential of alliance after watching the mess with Bridget, the celebration that followed, and the responses that "femboy erasure is good and necessary". There were numerous less prominent examples afterwards too. After seeing all that, it's hard not to perceive transing attempts as attacks on things I like.
 
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Sorry, but as a femboy enjoyer, I lost hope for that coexistence and potential of alliance after watching the mess with Bridget, the celebration that followed, and the responses that "femboy erasure is good and necessary". There were numerous less prominent examples afterwards too. After seeing all that, it's hard not to perceive transing attempts as attacks on things I like.
TBH, Bridget was always kind of an uncomfortable character to begin with. The whole bit of dressing as a girl out of a sense of obligation as opposed to their own personal choice. I did celebrate Bridget announcing they feel they're a girl, but less because I'm out to erase femboys or push trans stuff but just happy to see Bridget taking agency for their identity after being so passive about it for so long. I feel similarly about Mai Natsume from BlazBlue, who admittedly was physically female for her whole identity arc.

Anyways, I do think it's important to remember that nobody can "attack" the thing you like and there is need to "defend" it. It's important to keep perspective there -- the conflict you're concerned about mostly doesn't exist in Japanese online discourse for the most part, so any translated manga isn't going to reflect that conflict. And even if the conflict did exist, MD's forums aren't where it'd be decided anyway.
In fact I can even point you to an untranslated Pixiv series about a TS girl and a femboy that got transformed as well and how the story treats the latter as a bad thing that shouldn't have happened. Eventually the femboy regains his true form but still passionate as ever about his feminine fashion. (and remains good friends with the TS girl who is very passionate about her new form)

Also as to Onimai specifically -- the anthology manga show that this story supports a number of different views of the same characters. Meaning that Minato as a big-boobed squirming TS girl complementing Mahiro's own TS moe and Minato the femboy can both exist. I strongly suspect the next anthology volume will have at least one chapter each devoted to both.
 
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TBH, Bridget was always kind of an uncomfortable character to begin with. The whole bit of dressing as a girl out of a sense of obligation as opposed to their own personal choice. I did celebrate Bridget announcing they feel they're a girl, but less because I'm out to erase femboys or push trans stuff but just happy to see Bridget taking agency for their identity after being so passive about it for so long.
"She", not "they"
 
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In fact I can even point you to an untranslated Pixiv series about a TS girl and a femboy that got transformed as well and how the story treats the latter as a bad thing that shouldn't have happened. Eventually the femboy regains his true form but still passionate as ever about his feminine fashion. (and remains good friends with the TS girl who is very passionate about her new form)

Also as to Onimai specifically -- the anthology manga show that this story supports a number of different views of the same characters. Meaning that Minato as a big-boobed squirming TS girl complementing Mahiro's own TS moe and Minato the femboy can both exist. I strongly suspect the next anthology volume will have at least one chapter each devoted to both.
I'm curious about the former. Can you share a link?
As for the latter, is that situation from an actual chapter or a hypothetical? I definitely don't remember seeing that in the anthology, but my memory is not too good.
(I kinda wanted to respond to the rest, but I guess it's getting too off topic and better just bury it)

"She", not "they"
It's notable how you reject even an attempt at neutrality.
 
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I'm curious about the former. Can you share a link?
As for the latter, is that situation from an actual chapter or a hypothetical? I definitely don't remember seeing that in the anthology, but my memory is not too good.
(I kinda wanted to respond to the rest, but I guess it's getting too off topic and better just bury it)
The two situations I mentioned were previous actual chapters in the mainline series. Admittedly the big boobs TS Minato turned out to be a dream Aoi had. I'm speculating that the next anthology volume will have both a TS girl Minato chapter and a different chapter with more crossdressing femboy Minato hijinx. The core Japanese audience won't be at loggerheads with each other, they'll just be celebrating Minato regardless.

Oh, here's the Pixiv series I mentioned: https://www.pixiv.net/user/536272/series/159180

The femboy is the one with the short reddish pink bob cut.
 
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Deliberately calling a trans woman "they" is misgendering. Bridget is a girl, to call her "they" is denying her her womanhood.
Or to put it another way They/Them Pronouns Suddenly Easy for Person Misgendering Trans Woman
First of all, Bridget isn't a real person so she doesn't need her dignity defended as if she were. Two, Bridget's trans status is more implicit than explicit because the culture that produced her has an extremely different approach to the concept of identity in the first place. (it's a tl;dr but it's a collectivist culture thing)
That ambiguity I think makes "they" pronouns a bit less of a malus than they'd otherwise be with Japanese characters, especially since gendered second person personal pronouns don't exist in that language. i.e. no him/her in the first place

Third, yes, I was indeed going for neutral language because I respect the feelings of the the real actual people who feel raw about how the Bridget identity plot twist was handled and feel like something was taken away from them. I don't blame them for feeling that way, particularly in how clunky it was executed. (even if I like the twist itself and am happy about how many trans peeps it inspired)

Finally, I personally absolutely use non-ambiguous pronouns exclusively if the trans aspect is explicit with a character. I would count Lily Hoshikawa for instance, who deadass (no pun intended) went ahead and dressed up in the trans flag in the second season of Zombieland Saga.
 
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Deliberately calling a trans woman "they" is misgendering. Bridget is a girl, to call her "they" is denying her her womanhood.
Or to put it another way They/Them Pronouns Suddenly Easy for Person Misgendering Trans Woman
This is the dumbest take I have ever seen on this subject...

You are quite literally using the excuse "transphobes co-opt trans inclusive language so that means trans inclusive language should not be used" when plenty of trans people are completely okay with gender neutral pronouns. Even a lot of cis people are completely okay with gender neutral pronouns in reference to themselves. I should know given my friends always say their pronouns are "he/him|she/her and they/them are fine" and they are cis people. I myself always say my pronouns are "she/them" since its shorter and even get both sets used interchangeably by my therapist and friends whenever they talk about me to another.

The article you linked even specifically says the trans woman in question was not uncomfortable with being called them/them. She was uncomfortable with the transphobe in question mocking her by sardonically using they/them when she is established in the article to have struggled to use them in the past as a way to I quote
“It’s like, she’s not flat out calling me a man, but she’s still denying my womanhood,” Maddie says.
which is not what MidnighTea was doing in the slighest and we both know it.

Also the article ends with
“Maybe I’ll just start misgendering Izzy,” Maddie adds. “We’ll see if he feels neutral about it.”
which is the trans woman in question saying she is completely okay with misgendering a cis woman intentionally out of pure spite which only makes her the exact same person she is spiting and more importantly you are trying to call out.

If you are going to stand on a highground at least use a proper article instead of cherry picking one you clearly only read the title of... :facepalm:
 
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I would count Lily Hoshikawa for instance, who deadass (no pun intended) went ahead and dressed up in the trans flag in the second season of Zombieland Saga.
Wait did this really happen? I only watched season 1 so havent heard of this
 
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Wait did this really happen? I only watched season 1 so havent heard of this
It really did. Specifically she wore a ribbon where her hair would be the blue part of the flag, but that S2 episode was on the nose as you could possibly get. (including Lily throwing shade at the concept of policing bathrooms)

... oh and if that doesn't convince you to check it out someday, the theme of the episode is her versus a young version of Light Yagami. No, really. I know that synopsis sounds like an AI generated shitpost but S2 was kinda wild in general.
 
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The two situations I mentioned were previous actual chapters in the mainline series. Admittedly the big boobs TS Minato turned out to be a dream Aoi had. I'm speculating that the next anthology volume will have both a TS girl Minato chapter and a different chapter with more crossdressing femboy Minato hijinx. The core Japanese audience won't be at loggerheads with each other, they'll just be celebrating Minato regardless.

Oh, here's the Pixiv series I mentioned: https://www.pixiv.net/user/536272/series/159180

The femboy is the one with the short reddish pink bob cut.
Ah, I thought "Minato as a big-boobed squirming TS girl complementing Mahiro's own TS moe" was an actual scene from the anthology (and read it as "complimenting"). I understand what you meant now.

And thanks.
 
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Two, Bridget's trans status is more implicit than explicit
No it's not.
"We've received many inquiries about Bridget's gender. After the events of Bridget's story in Arcade Mode, she self-identifies as a woman. So, as to whether 'he' or 'she' would be the correct pronoun for Bridget, the answer would be 'she.'"
Straight from the creator's mouth. Doesn't get much more explicit than that.
the culture that produced her has an extremely different approach to the concept of identity in the first place
Doesn't really matter when the real actual people who created her are explicitly saying she's trans.
If you are going to stand on a highground at least use a proper article instead of cherry picking one you clearly only read the title of...
I mean, it's on Reductress the satire website so sure, it's not a proper article I'll give you that one.
 
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Sorry, but as a femboy enjoyer, I lost hope for that coexistence and potential of alliance after watching the mess with Bridget, the celebration that followed, and the responses that "femboy erasure is good and necessary". There were numerous less prominent examples afterwards too. After seeing all that, it's hard not to perceive transing attempts as attacks on things I like.
The femboy->transfem pipeline is real, and genuinely happens, like a lot. A recent high profile case ofc would be F1nnster, who was all like "I'm 100% man and just doing this because i'm paid to", until he started taking E. Bridget's evolution is just a character arc, a play on that, and makes sense given the queerness of the guilty gear universe and its playing with gender. Guess what? Ferris is also transfem coded, which is significantly more implied in the books than the anime.

Femboy erasure isn't a thing just because trans people exist and use crossdressing as an intermediate state.
 
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No it's not.
"We've received many inquiries about Bridget's gender. After the events of Bridget's story in Arcade Mode, she self-identifies as a woman. So, as to whether 'he' or 'she' would be the correct pronoun for Bridget, the answer would be 'she.'"
Straight from the creator's mouth. Doesn't get much more implicit than that.
Alrighty, fair enough. I still think if that was the direction they wanted they could've executed on it better but that's as unambiguous as it gets. (and perfect is the enemy of the good anyway)
 

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