Onii-chan wa Oshimai! - Vol. 9 Ch. 81.8 - Non-Mahiro Special: Aoi-chan Edition

[MangaDex]

 

[Shita-kiri_Suzume]

Now non-AI translated and T-word free. Making sure idiots who stamp their feet demanding to keep using offensive words know they're not the whole fandom.
I'll get around to the other specials too, but I wanted to prioritize this one. For now, enjoy.

 

[MidnighTea]

Not all heroes wear capes. But you did drop your crown, Queen.

 

[sverhnovyi]

Now non-AI translated and T-word free. Making sure idiots who stamp their feet demanding to keep using offensive words know they're not the whole fandom.
I'll get around to the other specials too, but I wanted to prioritize this one. For now, enjoy.

T-word? Are you scared of a 4-letter word as if it's a voldemort?

 

[Shita-kiri_Suzume]

T-word? Are you scared of a 4-letter word as if it's a voldemort?

No, just basic courtesy WRT people who are averse to the word that costs $0. You should try it sometimes.

 

[darekpawlo]

T-word as in trap??? You guys really need to touch some grass and go lift some weights

 

[MidnighTea]

You guys need to have a higher standard than settling for AI translations.

 

[YurushiteHyacinth]

T-word as in trap??? You guys really need to touch some grass and go lift some weights

Well, unlike the other group they can actually translate, so who's laughing?

 

[KZO]

How can I block the uploads of a specific user?

Edit: Nevermind, I found it in the settings.

 

[Togelic]

I'm gonna be honest, I never really saw trap as a slur. Though that's probably because I never saw anyone use it as one anywhere despite people saying it was.
Either way the memes around it weren't particularly funny anyway so it doesn't really matter to me if people don't like using it. So I'm not gonna say that you're wrong for not using it.

I think the translation of this chapter would probably flow better if you used femboy or some other translated term instead of otoko-no-ko though.

 

[kenwaynguyen]

Now non-AI translated and T-word free. Making sure idiots who stamp their feet demanding to keep using offensive words know they're not the whole fandom.
I'll get around to the other specials too, but I wanted to prioritize this one. For now, enjoy.

Traps isn't an offensive word. You're just being ultra sensitive.

 

[Shita-kiri_Suzume]

I'm gonna be honest, I never really saw trap as a slur. Though that's probably because I never saw anyone use it as one anywhere despite people saying it was.
Either way the memes around it weren't particularly funny anyway so it doesn't really matter to me if people don't like using it. So I'm not gonna say that you're wrong for not using it.

I think the translation of this chapter would probably flow better if you used femboy or some other translated term instead of otoko-no-ko though.

Most even-handed counter-argument since I uploaded this chapter, and I respect that.
"Femboy" is indeed a serviceable (if a little iffy) alternative, definitely better than the other choice. Nevertheless, I preferred to go with the word from the JP original.

Either way, I made a conscious choice for the sake of a group of people who also enjoy this manga. It's just sad that some people here think they're not worth caring about.

That being said, tell you what, maybe me making that decision for them IS a bit arrogant. Trans people and allies in the thread, which term do you think works better? "Femboy" or "otoko-no-ko"?

 

[Rockdrop]

You guys need to have a higher standard than settling for AI translations.

 

[Noodles]

Most even-handed counter-argument since I uploaded this chapter, and I respect that.
"Femboy" is indeed a serviceable (if a little iffy) alternative, definitely better than the other choice. Nevertheless, I preferred to go with the word from the JP original.
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Either way, I made a conscious choice for the sake of a group of people who also enjoy this manga. It's just sad that some people here think they're not worth caring about.

That being said, tell you what, maybe me making that decision for them IS a bit arrogant. Trans people and allies in the thread, which term do you think works better? "Femboy" or "otoko-no-ko"?

Why are you asking for the opinions of trans people instead of crossdressers on this?

 

[Shita-kiri_Suzume]

Why are you asking for the opinions of trans people instead of crossdressers on this?

Because, as user MidnightTea most of of all explained multiple times in other threads, they are also affected by it whether or not it applies to them 100%. It implies not presenting as your birth gender is deception and evokes "trans panic defense" crap for them. It's not a pleasant word for either category and we have alternatives by now.

Besides, femboys and crossdressers are different things. Some femboys will present femininely while wearing boyish clothing, while crossdressing is simply the act of wearing clothes. There's an overlap but they're still distinct.

 

[kenwaynguyen]

Most even-handed counter-argument since I uploaded this chapter, and I respect that.
"Femboy" is indeed a serviceable (if a little iffy) alternative, definitely better than the other choice. Nevertheless, I preferred to go with the word from the JP original.
View attachment 33651
Either way, I made a conscious choice for the sake of a group of people who also enjoy this manga. It's just sad that some people here think they're not worth caring about.

That being said, tell you what, maybe me making that decision for them IS a bit arrogant. Trans people and allies in the thread, which term do you think works better? "Femboy" or "otoko-no-ko"?

traps.
they're not femboys. they're traps.
otoko-no-ko is too wordy.

 

[MidnighTea]

Look I'm going to try a different angle this time and try and meet people where they are. And I'm going to start with what I consider to be a fair defense of the use of the word "trap".

I get why it's a fun word to refer to a crossdressing character. First of all, trap is by itself a great word. It's short, punchy. It has a loud AP sound. I also will even concede that I don't think it's a slur in the operative sense that otherwise classifies a slur. I've only ever heard it used in a hateful insulting way a tiny handful of times by young angry people in a voice chat. And finally, every possible alternative to "trap" does kinda not feel as satisfying or punchy. "Femboi" kind of has a flippant tone to it. "Otokonoko" is four syllables long and it's like driving over gravel to the English tongue. "Boy daughter" is cute and the literal definition of otokonoko but it also sounds kinda odd. "Crossdresser" is both vague and as descriptive as tapwater for the general fun manic energy of the otokonoko media genre. I don't blame people for wanting to stick to the punchy fun word.

Finally, it does evoke a classic comedy trope of the Unsettling Gender Reveal: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnsettlingGenderReveal

I get it. And I see those points. (albeit I do think this old timey genre of comedy is problematic for similar reasons but I'm yapping enough as it is. I'll say that Minato is a breath of fresh air compared to say Hideri from Blend-S.)


So what's the problem? Well, everything I said the other day. The most minor of which (but still not insignificant) is that it frames beautiful gender subversion as coming ultimately down to the feelings or surprise of a normal gender typical person. Often a straight guy. Which, well... that's a whole discussion by itself vis-a-vis the anchoring of the media landscape and the ubiquity of the everyman. But the big one is that, yes, "trap" does indeed invoke powerful painful memories in the LGBT community. Murder cases indeed been thrown out because a gay or trans person got straight up merked by a straight person claiming they felt endangered/entrapped by someone who was crossdressing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_trans_panic_defense

And no, I've only ever seen "trap" come up in the court proceedings to one of these cases. And I forget the specific one anyway. The term itself remains relatively innocent in the cheeky/fun way I described in the first paragraph in the way most of you use it. And I get how annoying it is for people to come in and tell you to stop having fun or enjoying something. Or feeling like you're being talked down to or being told what to do by people from a community you might not have interacted with as much. Like hostilities are being declared or something, some kind of power play. Nah. That isn't my angle at all. You're valid, I'm valid. And I know I'm being a downer by pointing out this is a pain point for the LGBT community. But it is.

But I'll say this -- I wouldn't speak up about this at all if I didn't respect you all enough to believe you would listen to my side. I'd just keep my head down because that's considerably safer.

 

[Calfiphunt]

Most even-handed counter-argument since I uploaded this chapter, and I respect that.
"Femboy" is indeed a serviceable (if a little iffy) alternative, definitely better than the other choice. Nevertheless, I preferred to go with the word from the JP original.
View attachment 33651
Either way, I made a conscious choice for the sake of a group of people who also enjoy this manga. It's just sad that some people here think they're not worth caring about.

That being said, tell you what, maybe me making that decision for them IS a bit arrogant. Trans people and allies in the thread, which term do you think works better? "Femboy" or "otoko-no-ko"?

I prefer the usage of otoko-no-ko, femboy is a bit too western.

 

[Legofrans]

That being said, tell you what, maybe me making that decision for them IS a bit arrogant. Trans people and allies in the thread, which term do you think works better? "Femboy" or "otoko-no-ko"?

Trans woman myself, I'd prefer femboy. This is a proper translation and thus I'd prefer if terms were translated to a close equivalent instead of getting Keikaku'd.

How much better the term femboy actually is compared to "trap" may be discussed but at least it doesn't have the baggage.

 

[Kampfarsch]

Now non-AI translated and T-word free. Making sure idiots who stamp their feet demanding to keep using offensive words know they're not the whole fandom.
I'll get around to the other specials too, but I wanted to prioritize this one. For now, enjoy.

parasite

Does mangadex moderation know that people do not get notified about these "warnings"? The only reason I saw this is because I clicked through this thread on a whim
also lmao, guy actually felt hurt enough to report over this