Onna dakara, to Party wo Tsuihou Sareta no de Densetsu no Majo to Saikyou Tag wo Kumimashita

[Mr.Van]

When you call people incels you're just telling us you will blindly devour propaganda/wish fulfillment no matter what. Ask what incel even means. Why are you saying everyone who dislikes what you like can't get a girlfriend/get laid? That's pretty ridiculous and childish behavior, especially when a lot of people would call you an incel just for liking manga regardless of gender.

Yeah damn right. What are the others going on about incels and shit you stupid ass? Nobody in this comment section is complaining about the romance between the MCs, so I don't know what high horse you are on to call people incels.

The male characters are one dimensional and all push the same ideology and behavior, which is by no means credible or likable in this case. Why would complaining about this bad character design choice make anyone an incel? Most of us did not come not here to read brainrot material or blatant feel goods. This is called having a critical mentality, because we don't take whatever shit is thrown at us and just gobble it down.

Don't take this comment as if I am feeling attacked by the manga in any way. I came here looking for a coherent story, I found one with flaws, I point it out. Simple as that. Don't make it personal without provocations.

Wish that some people would just say that they're incels and just move on. We get it. No need to try and pretend to be like Spock and "sound logical". Because it just sounds like pure bitterness.

 

[TinsleyNocturnal]

I really enjoyed it! The story was well developed, the villains were really hateable, the heroes were really loveable, the characters were cute, and the world building was interesting. Sure, it's a bit on-the-nose at times, buts that's also part of what made it really good. 10/10 highly recommend.

 

[immy]

Spoiler: I am thanking this meme for making me read this manga

 

[Momaiscree]

Just get to this comment section, and man, it's not like what I expected, I mean I've seen worse. There's a person (not from this forum) who diss and insult just because the MC is female, some people even don't know what is the meaning of feminist, and what creature the femiNAZI is.

Anyway this series is going around a fairness (not equality, learn the difference) and of course, "yuriness" and so far so good.

What could possibly be considered “equally unfair”?
No legit, I need to know

 

[Momaiscree]

HOLY MOLY!
First of all, I guess I'm gonna start from saying, I am the same type of "incel" that misandrists complain about on twitter. I've read a lot of "Yuri" works because I love the genre, as well as some "yaoi" works, but mostly as a form of "challenge" from my gf, and vica versa.

Back to the point though. This is really great example of "Yuri" fantasy manga done right.
Positives:

1. Great art style - Look, I'm not gonna go pretend like it's Berserk of manga, but it's clearly very good, or maybe right word would be "easy to read". It's right in the middle of "Not too detailed to be exhausting to view", and "Detailed enough for beautiful character designs".
2. Plot - Is pretty damn interesting, again, I'm not gonna pretend like there is super deep story with overarching arcs with loss/death/love/friendship/betrayal etc., but it's just good enough for it to keep you second guessing a stuff. Especially the natural mood change as well as expression change of characters in certain situations.
3. Literally no fan-service, other than comedic type, that is relevant to the plot.

Sorta Negatives:

1. Love plot - Love plot of characters can look pretty shallow, especially if you expect the manga to be 10 book love romance.
   Don't forget that manga's main purpose is for you to have fun reading it, it doesn't have to be "realistic".
2. Plot in general - It's not something super unique, it does have a bunch of cliches, but in my book, as long as it's not overused to death, it has right to exist, and it's rather well done in manga. The plot however has a lot of mini-twists which can be funny, and somewhat "damn wth?" like.

Negatives:

1. Story Pacing - God damn, the pacing in some spots is bit off. One moment we having fun shopping, another moment something incredibly important to the plot happens, but you find out about it only later in the story, as to keep you second guessing what the hell is going on.

!PLOT SPOILERS!

From what you could have gathered from the title, MC got frustrated that she was kicked out of party because she was a woman. In this particular fantasy world, it's commonly accepted that woman became healers due to common belief that they are weak and need to be guarded all the time.

So from reading these comments we can gather 2 things.

1. People who complain about the manga haven't read further than middle of volume 3, where it's explained exactly why the world is the way it is. Sexism, has literal reason to be in this manga. It's a HUGE plot element, basically the whole reason why everything that happened, actually happened in the story.
2. Look, I don't know how to tell you, I am not a psychologist, but you need to get off the twitter, or wherever you are reading those hateful comments towards you. I assume the reason you are getting mad from reading this story is because you are constantly getting targeted and being called "sexist".
   YOU, shouldn't feel like being attacked when you are reading this story, unless you are unironically a sexist, and think the same way the society in manga thinks.

What's this manga does is poke fun at stupid monolithic views of people, and societies that think that women shouldn't do anything other than be a baby birthing machines. Woman in fact do have dreams that they want to pursue, things they want to achieve, but you know that damned well, I don't know why I even have to write that.

Author of this manga DOESN'T HATE YOU, she doesn't view men as idiots (actually maybe she does, how would I know?), and you really shouldn't feel offended just because she calls out and challenges views of stone age idiots. All she wants is to write a fun story for her fans to read, especially her female fans. And just because it touches reality just a bit too much for your taste, doesn't mean that manga is bad or whatever.

At the end of the day, I think the manga is pretty great, it has interesting plot and really wholesome characters. If you feel like it attacks you as a person, well, maybe it's time to rethink the way you view the world?

Part of the problem is how there isn’t a single exception to the “male bad” rule for this manga, if the forum is to be believed. (Honestly sounds unrealistic, and I can see how that could be construed as “hate on men because men bad” as a sort of “attack” on their psyche.)

Granted, this story probably wasn’t meant to be that deep, though it can be hard to tell at times.

 

[Momaiscree]

HOLY MOLY!
First of all, I guess I'm gonna start from saying, I am the same type of "incel" that misandrists complain about on twitter. I've read a lot of "Yuri" works because I love the genre, as well as some "yaoi" works, but mostly as a form of "challenge" from my gf, and vica versa.

Back to the point though. This is really great example of "Yuri" fantasy manga done right.
Positives:

1. Great art style - Look, I'm not gonna go pretend like it's Berserk of manga, but it's clearly very good, or maybe right word would be "easy to read". It's right in the middle of "Not too detailed to be exhausting to view", and "Detailed enough for beautiful character designs".
2. Plot - Is pretty damn interesting, again, I'm not gonna pretend like there is super deep story with overarching arcs with loss/death/love/friendship/betrayal etc., but it's just good enough for it to keep you second guessing a stuff. Especially the natural mood change as well as expression change of characters in certain situations.
3. Literally no fan-service, other than comedic type, that is relevant to the plot.

Sorta Negatives:

1. Love plot - Love plot of characters can look pretty shallow, especially if you expect the manga to be 10 book love romance.
   Don't forget that manga's main purpose is for you to have fun reading it, it doesn't have to be "realistic".
2. Plot in general - It's not something super unique, it does have a bunch of cliches, but in my book, as long as it's not overused to death, it has right to exist, and it's rather well done in manga. The plot however has a lot of mini-twists which can be funny, and somewhat "damn wth?" like.

Negatives:

1. Story Pacing - God damn, the pacing in some spots is bit off. One moment we having fun shopping, another moment something incredibly important to the plot happens, but you find out about it only later in the story, as to keep you second guessing what the hell is going on.

!PLOT SPOILERS!

From what you could have gathered from the title, MC got frustrated that she was kicked out of party because she was a woman. In this particular fantasy world, it's commonly accepted that woman became healers due to common belief that they are weak and need to be guarded all the time.

So from reading these comments we can gather 2 things.

1. People who complain about the manga haven't read further than middle of volume 3, where it's explained exactly why the world is the way it is. Sexism, has literal reason to be in this manga. It's a HUGE plot element, basically the whole reason why everything that happened, actually happened in the story.
2. Look, I don't know how to tell you, I am not a psychologist, but you need to get off the twitter, or wherever you are reading those hateful comments towards you. I assume the reason you are getting mad from reading this story is because you are constantly getting targeted and being called "sexist".
   YOU, shouldn't feel like being attacked when you are reading this story, unless you are unironically a sexist, and think the same way the society in manga thinks.

What's this manga does is poke fun at stupid monolithic views of people, and societies that think that women shouldn't do anything other than be a baby birthing machines. Woman in fact do have dreams that they want to pursue, things they want to achieve, but you know that damned well, I don't know why I even have to write that.

Author of this manga DOESN'T HATE YOU, she doesn't view men as idiots (actually maybe she does, how would I know?), and you really shouldn't feel offended just because she calls out and challenges views of stone age idiots. All she wants is to write a fun story for her fans to read, especially her female fans. And just because it touches reality just a bit too much for your taste, doesn't mean that manga is bad or whatever.

At the end of the day, I think the manga is pretty great, it has interesting plot and really wholesome characters. If you feel like it attacks you as a person, well, maybe it's time to rethink the way you view the world?

Also, for the record, people in the stone age praised women for the miracle of life, and the idea of “male superiority” came about relatively recently (at least, compared to the stone age).

Again, I don’t think you meant that literally, but I just wanted to point this out.

 

[Momaiscree]

HOLY MOLY!
First of all, I guess I'm gonna start from saying, I am the same type of "incel" that misandrists complain about on twitter. I've read a lot of "Yuri" works because I love the genre, as well as some "yaoi" works, but mostly as a form of "challenge" from my gf, and vica versa.

Back to the point though. This is really great example of "Yuri" fantasy manga done right.
Positives:

1. Great art style - Look, I'm not gonna go pretend like it's Berserk of manga, but it's clearly very good, or maybe right word would be "easy to read". It's right in the middle of "Not too detailed to be exhausting to view", and "Detailed enough for beautiful character designs".
2. Plot - Is pretty damn interesting, again, I'm not gonna pretend like there is super deep story with overarching arcs with loss/death/love/friendship/betrayal etc., but it's just good enough for it to keep you second guessing a stuff. Especially the natural mood change as well as expression change of characters in certain situations.
3. Literally no fan-service, other than comedic type, that is relevant to the plot.

Sorta Negatives:

1. Love plot - Love plot of characters can look pretty shallow, especially if you expect the manga to be 10 book love romance.
   Don't forget that manga's main purpose is for you to have fun reading it, it doesn't have to be "realistic".
2. Plot in general - It's not something super unique, it does have a bunch of cliches, but in my book, as long as it's not overused to death, it has right to exist, and it's rather well done in manga. The plot however has a lot of mini-twists which can be funny, and somewhat "damn wth?" like.

Negatives:

1. Story Pacing - God damn, the pacing in some spots is bit off. One moment we having fun shopping, another moment something incredibly important to the plot happens, but you find out about it only later in the story, as to keep you second guessing what the hell is going on.

!PLOT SPOILERS!

From what you could have gathered from the title, MC got frustrated that she was kicked out of party because she was a woman. In this particular fantasy world, it's commonly accepted that woman became healers due to common belief that they are weak and need to be guarded all the time.

So from reading these comments we can gather 2 things.

1. People who complain about the manga haven't read further than middle of volume 3, where it's explained exactly why the world is the way it is. Sexism, has literal reason to be in this manga. It's a HUGE plot element, basically the whole reason why everything that happened, actually happened in the story.
2. Look, I don't know how to tell you, I am not a psychologist, but you need to get off the twitter, or wherever you are reading those hateful comments towards you. I assume the reason you are getting mad from reading this story is because you are constantly getting targeted and being called "sexist".
   YOU, shouldn't feel like being attacked when you are reading this story, unless you are unironically a sexist, and think the same way the society in manga thinks.

What's this manga does is poke fun at stupid monolithic views of people, and societies that think that women shouldn't do anything other than be a baby birthing machines. Woman in fact do have dreams that they want to pursue, things they want to achieve, but you know that damned well, I don't know why I even have to write that.

Author of this manga DOESN'T HATE YOU, she doesn't view men as idiots (actually maybe she does, how would I know?), and you really shouldn't feel offended just because she calls out and challenges views of stone age idiots. All she wants is to write a fun story for her fans to read, especially her female fans. And just because it touches reality just a bit too much for your taste, doesn't mean that manga is bad or whatever.

At the end of the day, I think the manga is pretty great, it has interesting plot and really wholesome characters. If you feel like it attacks you as a person, well, maybe it's time to rethink the way you view the world?

If this forum is to be believed in any capacity, the manga isn’t just calling out sexist views, but even going as far as to imply men should be hated as a whole.

 

[Momaiscree]

I really enjoyed it! The story was well developed, the villains were really hateable, the heroes were really loveable, the characters were cute, and the world building was interesting. Sure, it's a bit on-the-nose at times, buts that's also part of what made it really good. 10/10 highly recommend.

Making villains in media completely irredeemable is part of what makes villain depiction “one-dimensional.”
Realistically speaking, you’ve probably seen at least one male that hated males, promoted females and/or equality, or was generally a good person.
That’s not necessarily bad for story-telling, though it’s important to acknowledge biases and discrepancies in the media one consumes.

…for example, for a while in the United states, overtly promoting homosexuality was shunned, so many creators ended up expressing these values in the villains, since it would be seen as “discouraging homosexuality” on the surface, while also making for more likeable villains.

 

[luna367]

Girl Power..!

 

[MoonlightFairy]

What could possibly be considered “equally unfair”?
No legit, I need to know

You must be fun at parties

 

[Momaiscree]

You must be fun at parties

I legit wasn’t joking, I was hoping for an answer 😭

 

[Momaiscree]

Also W Touhou reference pfp, Luna Child fr

 

[Yurilover7581]

SPOILERS!

I'll be fairly straightforward, while the male characters rarely feel non pulled out of a cartoon (though at the same time, they feel disgustingly realistic), given the significantly small cast of characters outside the protagonists, the guy who kickstarted the plot (which naturally has to be cartoonishly misogynistic cause otherwise the plot would not have happened in the first place).
This is at the same way a rather interesting thing about the nature of misogyny, it is as stupid as racism and practically all sorts of discrimination, the comically misogynistic characters (SPECIALLY THE SORCERY SCHOOL DIRECTOR; GIVEN THAT IT IS BASED ON A REAL THING THAT HAPPENED, but medical school rather than sorcery, and College level rather than like middle school or so)

Of course, the first "major" antagonist is just generally a scumbag, their behavior is highlighted to just being generally scum rather than just a misogynist, and ultimately he only serves the purpose of becoming a cathartic beatdown for its discrimination, and essentially payback for kickstarting the whole thing.
Besides that, something that I have to say is that the fact that some of the men that have no name or do not appear for more than a few pages being the issue is not a real problem from the story, given the fact that countless women (from Either Japan, the US or anywhere else for that matter) have been randomly objectified, degraded or just mildly harassed by random men they hopefully never will know again. (For an example being the mini-plotline of some gal getting harassed by some dude that wanted to get married with her and took advantage of her being mildly drunk to ask for it, and using all possibilities to not stop harassing her)
Of course, the final and real main antagonist is kind of cartoonish, but then again; he effectively shaped the society that alienated most of the protagonists; ultimately trying to act as a victim when he himself had just been crushing god knows how many people's lives is a way to express how just comically evil he is (and sadly how that shit tends to happen)
Besides the fact, the last part of the story just reinforces the ultimately kindhearted nature of the story, given that as it happened a few times in the story, being that the last part of the story shows how things are changing for the better, and how the protagonist herself is not a saint, as her past experiences with men make her think of them as a potential issue rather than just another person (albeit that is solved fairly quickly because she did not make a scene and her reaction was limited to her mind, but there weren't that many pages so go off ig), and well; the last person they help is a man who wishes to be a healer, a class that was enforced onto women in the society, something that he wishes to do because of the kindhearted nature of the class (similar to the third protagonist, as both are relatively shitty healers but have real intent behind that), and how the issue was not a man, but women enforcing the norms that had been used against them (not out of spite, she simply followed the gender rules as she wanted the man to be a class that generally and at least within the story is considered to be mainly masculine), and it was plainly stated at the end that the issues were not men themselves, and that it's not men vs women in general, but the people who crushes other peoples' dreams vs the people who wish to follow their dreams (or in other word, oppressor vs oppressed, Men being ultimately another cog in the system, being both victims and victimizers of the system is something that is often discussed, also the fox girl at first could be considered to be one of the ways to show how other women would reinforce the systems against eachother, and such and such. I'd recommend the book that has as subtitles "Masculinity and Sexuality in High School" as a rather quick example, also because I cannot say its actual name given the kinda inflamatory name it has)