Ookami wa Tsuki ni Koi wo Suru - Ch. 31 - My True, Unfalsified Self

[Bonzalez]

Being trans is gay. Also she says I don’t like girls either, so not a lesb.

And its fine if you think this was written in a NB way but context clues-wise I simply remarked that to be unlikely just due to how most Japanese media goes and the author clearly trying to avoid her being considered trans or gay

Plus she uses “she/her” pronouns.

No it's not. Why I am even trying here?

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

No it's not. Why I am even trying here?

I’m sorry are you even reading? Even if I said trans is gay and you disagree with that.

I also brought up that the author specifically says she doesn’t like girls.

 

[Bonzalez]

I’m sorry are you even reading? Even if I said trans is gay and you disagree with that.

I also brought up that the author specifically says she doesn’t like girls.

I am reading unfortunately. You're trying to lecture me about the gender politics of a culture neither of us is part of and you don't even have a cursory understanding of the topics in that field

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

I was annoyed with the other commenter for saying nothing, and I never said they were factually incorrect about anything so don't put quotes around that like I did.

You said quote,

“Sex and gender 💩
Sex and gender, Japan 😍

Say something substantial next time maybe instead of wasting others' time”

Then in a following reply “🚬” when he got mad at you for lashing out for no reason.

And why is something factually correct “nothing” and if it was nothing WHYD YOU LASH OUT AT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE

Anime and manga has a long history of including gender non-conforming characters and besides I highly doubt you have a comprehensive understanding of Japanese gender politics to say that "culturally Japanese do not care about NB." How would even you begin to prove that?

Evidence. Give Actual Evidence. You Say So Many Generalized Points About This But Never Bring Up Sources.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

I am reading unfortunately. You're trying to lecture me about the gender politics of a culture neither of us is part of and you don't even have a cursory understanding of the topics in that field

Sigh…there’s no point if you’re gonna deflect like this.

I already gave cultural examples myself and you haven’t asked anything beyond that to me

And hey atleast I know what a lesbian is unlike somebody, so who knows? I guess I atleast have a better understanding than you.

Finals Words,
去你的

 

[Xemidan]

It’s always funny to read comments how people assume a character could be trans or non-binary only because the character mentions hating their “gender”.

It’s as if gender stereotyping trauma or any other psychological problems isn’t a possible outcome. 😂

Why is it so hard for people not to assume things…

 

[Argon2409]

So I interpret one's "heart being male" to mean being trans masc, but she says that's not how she feels, but then seems to describe what being trans feels like. Is it the author being too scared to include an explicitly trans character, or is the character written to be somewhat in denial, or am I reading this wrong entirely?

Yea, that'd be my guess. Like everybody I know who's said shit like that starts taking E or T in like a year, and it's largely because the society that's around them is very trans-negative.
From the rest of this thread, it seems like a classic case of "Anime fans will literally have a character turn towards the camera and say 'I am trans' and they'll still deny it."

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

From the rest of this thread, it seems like a classic case of "Anime fans will literally have a character turn towards the camera and say 'I am trans' and they'll still deny it."

“I’m not saying my heart is male or that I’m attracted to girls or anything”

What Karasuma says word for word.

 

[ComBanana]

Oh, dear heaven, we are grateful for the answers to our prayers and for the gift of translation. Our humble request, great Easoleum, is not for haste, but for the quality of the goods you provide. We sincerely appreciate your generosity. Thank you.

 

[orangerain7734]

To make this as short as possible:
That is because you aren't in Japan. As she enters her 20s there would be increasing pressure for her to conform to societal norms when outside of the home.
This is her declaring "I intend to keep eating beans and farting in the elevator".

You can see the flip side of this where you have manly characters who are concerned about "liking cute(feminine) things". They aren't gay, they aren't wanting to be women, they often don't even want to wear women's clothing, they just like cute characters/designs/patterns, but openly acting on that is a huge deviation from social norms.

I get cultures dealing with LGB stuff differently, and yes, I get that people having interests and hobbies that are aimed at the opposite sex of the targeted demographic does not equate them being gay, lesbian, or trans. On the contrary, it's how there are more insinuations of people having such interests leaning to such identities that concern me.

Yes, tomboy girls exist. Effeminate boys exist. These guys can like things that are outside their targeted demographics and still be happy with the bodies they were born with. A lot of people need to realize this and not assume these guys need to go through some life-altering, traumatic surgeries to achieve happiness or success in life.

 

[meganium]

I read the next chapter and I think all those activists are going to call the author (that word)phobic soon.

Too bad for you.

 

[KyoHisagi]

This is it, we found her guys- The Ultimate Tomboy

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

I get cultures dealing with LGB stuff differently, and yes, I get that people having interests and hobbies that are aimed at the opposite sex of the targeted demographic does not equate them being gay, lesbian, or trans. On the contrary, it's how there are more insinuations of people having such interests leaning to such identities that concern me.

Yes, tomboy girls exist. Effeminate boys exist. These guys can like things that are outside their targeted demographics and still be happy with the bodies they were born with. A lot of people need to realize this and not assume these guys need to go through some life-altering, traumatic surgeries to achieve happiness or success in life.

I completely agree with you.

I'm just point out for people trying to get their heads around "Its just wearing men's fashion; its not a big deal, why is she stressing out about it unless its because she thinks she's a man and/or gay?" that is a fairly big deal. being a straight girl who doesn't want to dress like a girl is going to cause social friction especially as she hits her mid 20s. And the Japanese hate social friction.

There isn't a great analogy for the west because we are more about individualism, and that's why I used the Farting in the Elevator analogy because its the closest thing I could think of to her choice to dress like a man.

 

[PheePheenix]

I LOVE HIM! WHAT AN EGG

 

[Argon2409]

“I’m not saying my heart is male or that I’m attracted to girls or anything”

What Karasuma says word for word.

Right after saying that they loved being called a guy and saying how much they want to be a guy. I've talked to a fair few of the "I'm not trans i just really want to be seen as a girl/boy" types who go on to transition.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

Right after saying that they loved being called a guy and saying how much they want to be a guy. I've talked to a fair few of the "I'm not trans i just really want to be seen as a girl/boy" types who go on to transition.

First, All her pronouns are she/her she still has people refer to her as such. Even if she were trans or NB you use different pronouns only when they personally identify.

Second, Thats an interpretation I guess…though a very loose speculation.

1. The definition is too strict
For instance, tomboys and femboys exist. Who feel more comfortable cross dressing or being treated like the opposite gender yet, don’t actually transition.

2. The author is unlikely to do that. Simply most people in Japan that care about this are small as, its not really a mainstream issue for them like the West. And the people who care about that stuff are moreso gonna pickup genderswap mangas instead as, they know the issue is addressed before going into it.

Too just all of a sudden add her discovering being trans especially when she isn’t even a main character is unlikely to put it lightly and rather her wording seems to be an attempt to prevent people from assuming she doesn’t want to be a girl.

3. Her allowing other people to refer to her as a girl, yet taken issue with “me being simply a girl” seems to imply that she doesn’t have problems with being a girl itself, but rather that only being a girl restricts her from being able to quite possibly engage in her boyish hobbies or goals in life.

Japan is very traditional and women have only joined the job market in very recent years so culturally it is an issue that would make more sense to address. Such as a tomboy evading being seen as a woman because she’s thought all her life that more emphasize is put on the man supporting the family and the leader of the family. Causing her to want to act as a guy because she thinks being a guy makes her gain more power over herself than being a woman.

4. The raws confirm she isn’t trans, NB, or gay

 

[Kurumilover27]

Ah yes... Thanks for translating again, I'm okay if it's late just enjoy and rest for some time before you translate again

 

[rmremail]

So I interpret one's "heart being male" to mean being trans masc, but she says that's not how she feels, but then seems to describe what being trans feels like. Is it the author being too scared to include an explicitly trans character, or is the character written to be somewhat in denial, or am I reading this wrong entirely?

Being 'trans' is not a simple thing either.

I know a person who was born female, but identifies as male. But he has no interest in gender reassignment surgery - he is very happy with his body the way it is. He is in a long term relationship with a guy (who is not effeminate or anything. He's just a guy (and a bit of a dork)).

But he definitely presents as male in many of his mannerisms.

 

[ThunderKnight]

So she's mentally ill got it

 

[Argon2409]

First, All her pronouns are she/her she still has people refer to her as such. Even if she were trans or NB you use different pronouns only when they personally identify.

Second, Thats an interpretation I guess…though a very loose speculation.

1. The definition is too strict
For instance, tomboys and femboys exist. Who feel more comfortable cross dressing or being treated like the opposite gender yet, don’t actually transition.

2. The author is unlikely to do that. Simply most people in Japan that care about this are small as, its not really a mainstream issue for them like the West. And the people who care about that stuff are moreso gonna pickup genderswap mangas instead as, they know the issue is addressed before going into it.

Too just all of a sudden add her discovering being trans especially when she isn’t even a main character is unlikely to put it lightly and rather her wording seems to be an attempt to prevent people from assuming she doesn’t want to be a girl.

3. Her allowing other people to refer to her as a girl, yet taken issue with “me being simply a girl” seems to imply that she doesn’t have problems with being a girl itself, but rather that only being a girl restricts her from being able to quite possibly engage in her boyish hobbies or goals in life.

Japan is very traditional and women have only joined the job market in very recent years so culturally it is an issue that would make more sense to address. Such as a tomboy evading being seen as a woman because she’s thought all her life that more emphasize is put on the man supporting the family and the leader of the family. Causing her to want to act as a guy because she thinks being a guy makes her gain more power over herself than being a woman.

4. The raws confirm she isn’t trans, NB, or gay

Ok, let me put it like this, if a guy says that he really wants to suck another man's dick, like really wants to get in there and slobber all over that thing, but then goes on to say he isn't gay, what do you think about his sexuality? Same thing here. They're doing to transgender equivalent of talking how much they want to be bouncing and riding on it, but aren't gay.