Saying that a man can get beaten but not a woman is, by definition, sexism...
I like how you conveniently exclude my full description of what being "beaten" would entail here, even though I've said it time and time again. Being "beaten" here would mean Kokonoe using unjustified violence which no longer serves a purpose in my worldview.
favorability among those teachers means jackshit. He literally calls them "enemies"
Kokonoe might not care about their sympathy/newfound allegiance to his grievances, but you seriously can't be saying that the opinion of the teachers involved in the situation in reporting it to the higher ups would have no weight on any potential punishments Kokonoe might experience?
It is actually, just like the civil rights protests of MLK, just like how gay rights became normalized, women's suffrage, etc
If you're gonna state something without justifying/substantiating it, you might as well not state it at all.
inciting violence deserves punishment~ And once again, equal rights, equal left. Otherwise, it's basically just female supremacy, not feminism
And since it seems like your view of "deserved punishment" is the girl basically being socked in the face with all of his might, idk how you can say that such excessive violence (after it has achieved the 2 purposes I outlined time and time again) can be justified. I think a getting in trouble with the school higher ups, and potential suspension from the school for cheering on unjustified violence (which is both immoral and illegal) is either a good starting point or is good enough by itself.
Idk what you are talking about, the girl was just shocked at the moment, it wasn't until he was about to hit her and explained why he was doing it that she started crying
As if the girl wouldn't have pissed herself as long as Kokonoe simply approached her with threatening words. He had every intention of hitting her rather than just using it as a bargaining chip to get her to back off in the future, and only stopped when Sensei told him to. Also, he explained why he was approaching her with malice as he started walking towards her, before he even grabbed her collar. Nice try tho lol. Are you really saying that his words threatening violence against a girl who obviously knew how physically outmatched she was, wouldn't be enough to instill enough fear into her to decentivize a future incitement of violence? Cmon. He didn't even need to put his hands on her, so your point is moot.
In your worldview, she wouldn't be risking anything, because a boy can never hit a girl
I don't even see how you think this defeats my argument. Yeah, this is MY worldview, not Kokonoe's. He's the one in the actual position of threatening her with violence, not me. He has shown that he is willing to disregard social norms when he started to threaten her with words of possible violence. My worldview does indeed permit that, if you actually took the time to properly read my words (I've mentioned this over and over again, even this phrase is becoming rather redundant at this point), you'd understand that my worldview does indeed permit Kokonoe using words to threaten violence in order to get her to back off permanently, as long as it doesn't actually devolve into an actual punch to her face. Why? I've outlined the difference in social perception/the perceived extent to which said action would be seen as antisocial already, in case you wanted an answer to that too.
I do have limits, but my limits take into consideration that starting a fight is an escalation, so a justified retaliation is not to perform the same amount of damage, but to perform more. And also, I just happen to think that at a certain point, the victim should be allowed to do whatever they deem necessary to stop the violence from ever happening again. Like, for example, someone invading your home, or maybe a case where multiple males gang up on you, kick you, stomp your head, while others cheer and tell them to beat you into a pulp
Not sure how many times I need to repeat this, but the first kid the MC beat up, stood back, and attacked the MC again, even tho he looked scared. So no, there's no indication that they were really going to stop; they were just shocked at the moment, that's it
Yes, and that's why I completely defended Kokonoe in the way he handled the male bullies. He continued until they all were either incapacitated on the ground, or literally ran away in fear (at which point it can be reasonably inferred that after such a showing against outmatched numbers, there is no way they don't understand the fear he has put into them, they know they will never be able to take him or retaliate against him ever again because they were completely outmatched, and hence why that same guy who tried to attack him again ran away in fear with his tail between his legs). I really don't know where you keep getting this, "Oh, but they were only shocked," sentiment from. All of them were either on the ground or ran away in terror. That definitely passes for sufficient intimidation to make sure they won't even DARE to retaliate in the future.
Also, I want some strict upper limits from you here. You say you have limits, but earlier you said in a reply to someone else that you were fine with Kokonoe pulling out a gun and shooting those kids. Really? Do you really have limits? What more damage can someone do to their assailants in retaliation, past downright killing them? It seems like you have no limits at all.
I say, since he has to ability to take them out all by himself, he should do so (which he did). No reason for lethal force in this case, when his opponents were literal pipsqueaks compared to his overwhelming physical prowess. Unless you say that you were wrong earlier, I will take this to mean that you have no limits here, by your own words and admittance - not mine.
So let me get this straight, the girl didn't get any consequence for inciting violence, so she will totally know that she shouldn't do that because she was scared this time? Question: What if next time she learns her lessons and then asks her big brother to come with his friends and beat up the MC? The only lesson she was learning was that the kids were weak, and now she knows she will always be protected no matter what she does, because she is a girl
Which is why I've already gone and laid plain what I think should be her deserved punishment, which will serve as an additional deterrent, on top of the already existing threat of violence from Kokonoe. This punishment should take care of the big brother situation as well, seeing as if she knows she can be suspended and barred from attending school for something so seemingly insignificant (from her POV) as cheering on an already ensuing act of violence, then surely she would know that bringing her big brother with his friends along will earn her an even steeper and more severe punishment. I'm sure the police would outright get involved at that point lol, if you're bringing over your big bro and his friends to get him to beat someone up. At the very least, it's not something that will escape the attention of the higher ups of the school, especially now that the teachers involved understand that Kokonoe was not at fault and was actually rather the aggrieved party.
Your moral framework seems to be the type where women don't have agency and they should be protected no matter what they do, and never face consequences ever, very sexist really.
My framework is one that recognizes a very unflattering truth about women in society. While women are equally capable of agency as men (they're humans duh), women themselves don't WANT to be in a position of agency as much as men do. Going on a date? How many women do you think find it endearing and think of the man as masculine (and something that reinforces their femininity) for having a man pay for the date, despite having the financial means to pay themselves? How many women outright reject a man if he offers to split the check on the first date? How many women want men to make the first move romantically, sexually, etc? How many women lose attraction to a man when he fails to put himself between her and a violent threat/source of potential harm? And why are those men called cowards in those cases by vast majority of society (aka status-quo)? And why does this expectation only go one-way, or as you say, SEXIST? I can go on and on...
Reality is that while women are perfectly capable of agency, there are many aspects of life in which they simply do not desire it, but would rather see the man step up and take control. This is their revealed preference and it is in no way limited to just dating/romance. All of these things are indeed asymmetical. Take it up with women themselves. They're the ones who want the perks of equality whilst retaining the perks of benevolent sexism (and it's not something I'm bitter about either; it's something I've accepted as part of women's nature in general, and hold no animosity towards them due to this). Simply assuming a moral high ground by calling these things "sexist," doesn't make them any less true. Of course, exceptions exist, but they don't make the rule and they certainly have no power to affect status-quo.
I already laid out my punishment for her, not only in this comment, but also in another reply to another person earlier, before I even saw this reply from you. Go ahead and check it. I'm not lying lol. So your accusation that my framework is one that lets women get away from accountability (so as long as said punishment is justified to the wrong they committed) is blatantly false.
Also, I like how I have literally addressed each and every single one of your points, yet you don't really do the same and simply introduce new elements in this discussion, without conceding that you have no answer for the vast majority of my arguments. Instead, you simply ignore them without saying anything - which is akin to conceding those points.
There's really no reason to think that she would stop just because she was a little scared for a second
"Yeah, cuz background character elementary school girl #23 here is a girl of supreme bravery, and definitely won't be reduced to piss and tears just from realizing that she's up against a boy much stronger than ALL THE OTHER BOYS COMBINED, and since she's already an elementary school girl, there's no way that would be enough to instill fear in her and make her wish for her mommy, just from him walking towards her with threats of violence, and she'll definitely come back to fuck with that same prospect of violence she saw at point-blank range as he walked towards her, because as we know, elementary schoolers are renowned for their ability to stay brave in the face of violence and fear, and not you know... pissing their mattresses on the daily from the big bad monster hiding under their beds."
I'm not even gonna pretend to buy this anymore lol.
