Ore no Shibou Flag ga Todomaru Tokoro wo Shiranai - Vol. 7 Ch. 47 - The Choice is in Your Hands

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RUSHED? Taking one and a half chapters isn't "rushed"! This backstory could've been told in half of the last chapter or even fewer pages. This chapter could've been deleted from the manga doubt anyone would've noticed any pacing issues. I enjoy the manga. It's alright. But I hate having backstory in the middle of the "exciting" parts.
Oh yeah sure they could have just shown 3 panels with them being poor kids, fighting some hobos and then joining the mercs. But instead they decided to have the whole shebang with le emotional moments and character development just paced like absolute shit cause they had to fit it into one chapter.
This is so shaved down even a blind monkey can see right through what they are trying to do here lol.
 
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it's just right to look up at the predecessor's success to imitate.
But thoughtless imitation and an inability to discern what is actually successful are at play in the telling of this story. Doing something simply because commercially successful series do it is a bad idea, even if one's only goal is commercial success, because that success doesn't prove the success of precisely what is being imitated.
Well, forgive me if i don't have an interest to look up what is Sturgeon's Revelation.
I actually stated Sturgeon's Revelation (albeit not quite as Sturgeon did). The other fellow misapprehended it in dim-witted manner.
The solution would be to delay the back story later (not placing it in the middle of fight) like you said.
At this point, that might be the best solution; but the author could have delivered the back-story in an earlier chapter, or distributed it in pieces through earlier chapters.
 
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1 chapters every 2 months .... this is why manwha have become my favorite between the 2 . they have breaks at least 1 time a year but they deliver some good stories every damn week . yes there are shonens too but not being a kid no more i can't stand them with the exception of chainsaw man ... i really don't get how the authors can afford to live putting a 6 chapters or 12 chapters a year if it isn't a mere hobby
Try reading the LNs that these manga are based off of, and you'll see a lot more detail and consideration in them. All too often the manga does not do the original source material justice, sort of like a Ewe Boll licensed movie.

More precisely, by some unexplained mechanism, he's forced to communicate like an asshole, but in no other way is his freedom of action unnaturally constrained. Some inconsistency is entailed in that information is communicated by his actions; as when characters discover his saving lives and sponsoring vulnerable people.
More specifically, he's forced to communicate the same way the original story's Harold communicated; he's not allowed to change the personality of the character he inherited the position of. He is allowed to do whatever he wants otherwise, however, and requires people to read between the lines between action and statement, as you noted here (and shown with the peasant maid and her daughter early on).
 
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1 chapters every 2 months .... this is why manwha have become my favorite between the 2 . they have breaks at least 1 time a year but they deliver some good stories every damn week . yes there are shonens too but not being a kid no more i can't stand them with the exception of chainsaw man ... i really don't get how the authors can afford to live putting a 6 chapters or 12 chapters a year if it isn't a mere hobby
From what I know authors with bi monthly releases generally do other work on the side, like doing assistant work or outside income sources, the only ones that can sustain themselves from manga are those that have monthly releases or super popular series.

Sometimes authors with bi-monthly releases have multiple series running at the same time and they alternate
 
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he's not allowed to change the personality of the character he inherited the position of
You're using the term “personality” for something far less than its full scope.
between action and statement
The everyday distinction between word and deed is serviceable in casual discourse, but falls apart under rigorous examination. Acts of expression are still acts, and all acts have an expressive dimension. We are unlikely ever to get a coherent explanation as to why the body of Harold doesn't effect at least petty unpleasantness of other sorts.
 
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You're using the term “personality” for something far less than its full scope.
No, I'm not. "Personality; a characteristic way of thinking, feeling, and behaving." He himself has his own thoughts and feelings, but he is not allowed to alter Harold's thoughts and feelings, nor his behaviour (his conduct towards others). While he can do things that Harold may never have done, it's still done with Harold's behavioural style first and foremost. Or, in short, he's not allowed to change the personality of the character he inherited the position of (Harold), as I said.

The everyday distinction between word and deed is serviceable in casual discourse, but falls apart under rigorous examination. Acts of expression are still acts, and all acts have an expressive dimension.
That's being pedantic over discourse to an illogical degree, as my phrasing that people need to, "read between the lines between action and statement" is still correct at the end of the day. He (the soul inside Harold) can do something that Harold may not have done in act, but all the details are done as Harold would have if he had done it originally, with his mannerisms, behaviour, etc. at the forefront, even if it sounds or looks entirely selfish or even downright evil in phrasing or deed, on the surface. It's only when looked into at a deeper level that the dissonance can be seen, as with his inner circle. That is why his planned fiancee loathed him, until she actually looked at the results of what he was doing and the method by which he was doing them by, even down to things like how he had to frame things to tear his parents down rather than to save the people, which is his (not Harold's) inner reasoning.
 
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he's not allowed to change the personality of the character he inherited the position of.
You're using the term “personality” for something far less than its full scope.
No, I'm not. "Personality; a characteristic way of thinking, feeling, and behaving."
He does not behave like Harold except in the case of those acts commonly recognized as expressive; so, yes, you are
using the term “personality” for something far less than its full scope.
And I shouldn't have had to explain that point further.
That's being pedantic over discourse to an illogical degree
One cannot be logical to an illogical degree. So far, no explanation has been given within the story as to why a distinction which is not fundamental seems to govern the characters choices as if it is fundamental. I was already raising this objection before you decided to engage me in discussion. A residual of the original Harold does not answer the objection.

Because you aren't in fact particularly logical, the problem didn't leap out at you, and you've tended to let explanation of it go past you. You've responded with repeated synopses that gloss over the problem.
 
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He does not behave like Harold except in the case of those acts commonly recognized as expressive; so, yes, you are
I already have explained exactly how each point of personality applies with facts backing my statements; just because you want to ignore what I've said instead of rebutting it (which in any debate is considered a sign of failure and acquiescence to said points) doesn't mean you're right.
One cannot be logical to an illogical degree.
Correct, but that's because you aren't being logical; "Pedantic; Being overly concerned with formal rules and trivial points of learning, like a pedant." You're caring about trivial things, and not even getting them right (thus, "to an illogical degree"; and to stifle that all-too-obvious soon-to-be-attempted line of address, "illogical; not logical, contrary to or disregardful of the rules of logic, unreasoning"). Even in scholarly circles, it is known and accepted that the result of an action is separate from the method of the action in terms of morality and reflection of personality. Being pedantic doesn't mean you're right. In comparison, I am also being pedantic, but logically so. This all has already been explained in the Light Novel (all in greater detail than I have explained above), and touched on in briefer detail early in the manga; and I have explained this above without devolving into the fallacy of proof-by-assertion, as you have been.
 
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It would have been fine earlier. It's a cheap device here.

The author should have delivered it earlier; and, failing that, the editor should have told the author no, that no flashback would be used, and that the margin would have a brief apology for the stupidity of the author.

Again, the reason that people who have been following this series for years are waling on this chapter is that it wasn't worth reading. It's a bunch of whooming, which stops going forward as the author says “Oh, I didn't tell you …” and gives us a flashback.

One has to be quite dull-witted to misapprehend Sturgeon's Revelation.
When specifically earlier?

Maybe stop reading the series if you’re going to insult the author. If we didn’t get the flashback then the reader’s opinion of him would have lowered

And there’s also readers, like me who has read the WN, who have been waiting for this for years and are fine with it.

Said revelation is quite fallacious
 
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I already have explained exactly how each point of personality applies with facts backing my statements; just because you want to ignore what I've said instead of rebutting it (which in any debate is considered a sign of failure and acquiescence to said points) doesn't mean you're right.
If he behaved like Harold then he would have done things such as kill the maid. So, no, unlike your claim that
he's not allowed to change the personality of the character he inherited the position of.
he's done just that because, as you admit, personality is
"a characteristic way of thinking, feeling, and behaving"
Correct, but that's because you aren't being logical; "Pedantic; Being overly concerned with formal rules and trivial points of learning, like a pedant." You're caring about trivial things, and not even getting them right (thus, "to an illogical degree"; and to stifle that all-too-obvious soon-to-be-attempted line of address, "illogical; not logical, contrary to or disregardful of the rules of logic, unreasoning"). Even in scholarly circles, it is known and accepted that the result of an action is separate from the method of the action in terms of morality and reflection of personality. Being pedantic doesn't mean you're right. In comparison, I am also being pedantic, but logically so. This all has already been explained in the Light Novel (all in greater detail than I have explained above), and touched on in briefer detail early in the manga; and I have explained this above without devolving into the fallacy of proof-by-assertion, as you have been.
The reason that you are writing at such length without addressing the real issue is that you are writing at such length exactly in an attempt to avoid addressing the real issue.

The point that a fundamental distinction does not exist between expression and other actions means that one cannot have a coherent rule in this fictional universe under which one is freely allowed and none of the other is, because we are not discussing two distinct things. That is the logic of the situation.
 
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Last two paragraphs a little spoilery, n'est?
It's been so long since the series was updated that I can't remember absolute specifics of when what was shown where. But I was fairly sure what I was bringing up was already shown/stated directly (not a spoiler) and I was specifically avoiding known spoilers(like the results of the mission, whether it succeeds or fails, the aftermath, what happens in the future, etc)(IIRC, a lot of this was stated before during the visit to father in law for help when making preparations)

Either way it is close enough that I added spoiler formatting to the original comment just in case. If anything was in fact spoiled, I do apologize. It was strictly meant to bring someone up to speed to understand this chapter.
 
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When specifically earlier?
Before being used as a device to interrupt a battle and thereby push the conclusion of the battle into a later chapter than its beginning.
Maybe stop reading the series if you’re going to insult the author.
If he keeps doing shit like this, I will.
If we didn’t get the flashback then the reader’s opinion of him would have lowered
The antecedent for “him” is “the author”, and plainly the readers aren't all in agreement in that case. But perhaps you mean the character in the flasback, and can't imagine putting the flashback in a better place.
And there’s also readers, like me who has read the WN, who have been waiting for this for years and are fine with it.
We already knew that you were fine with it; the problem is in how you attempt to argue that we should be fine with it.
Said revelation is quite fallacious
Nope. Properly apprehended, it's an important point.
You’re a dumbass
No, you're someone who cannot apprehend Sturgeon's Revelation, simple as it is.
 
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Before being used as a device to interrupt a battle and thereby push the conclusion of the battle into a later chapter than its beginning.

If he keeps doing shit like this, I will.

The antecedent for “him” is “the author”, and plainly the readers aren't all in agreement in that case. But perhaps you mean the character in the flasback, and can't imagine putting the flashback in a better place.

We already knew that you were fine with it; the problem is in how you attempt to argue that we should be fine with it.

Nope. Properly apprehended, it's an important point.

No, you're someone who cannot apprehend Sturgeon's Revelation, simple as it is.
Pointless drivel
 
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While we know Cody is just acting according to their 'fate' it is funny thinking that while he is exercising his ideals, he didn't know that it is also going to lead his disenchantment of the ideals he has.
The Beltis incident is supposed to be when everything he and Vincent built up to that point, will come falling down and it is ironic to see him trying to stop someone who can potentially prevent that from happening.
 
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i hope someone would pick this up seems the team is so busy and cant keep up with the current releases
 

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