Osananajimi wo Erabenai! - Ch. 10 - And That's Exactly Why

[power_serge]

Funny that they didn't even get top 3. I do want to checkout that Isekai Gyoza stand though.

 

[SirArthurIV]

"Tomorrow will be much more fun"
*Karin number 5 has entered the chat

 

[xyzzy]

Additional update: The author is still looking for assistants for a Jump+ series they’re planning to do. It was originally planned for a February release, but was pushed to May.

All we know now is it’ll be a sci-fi drama with sexual elements?

 

[DementisXYZ]

I read that last page as "obligatory drama over; moving on."

 

[Teasday]

Interesting, because 叶える (read kanaeru) means "to grant (request, wish); to answer (prayer)", so Kanaekai could very well be a reference to the charm fulfilling Karin and Yū's respective wishes.

Yes and 会 means meeting or gathering of some sort which also fits, so Kanaekai was how we assumed the charm text is probably read since chapter one. Problem was there was no confirmation of any kind of a reading until the previous chapter, and we didn't realize it's actually a place name and put the pieces together until this one.

 

[HunterCO]

Either the prequel or sequel to 100 girlfriends lol

 

[huntercheco]

Most important thing I pulled from this chapter was that it seems possible for Karins to will themselves into oblivion if they wish for it? Her hand began to fade a bit when she wished to disappear. Would be an interesting plotline if manga doesn't get axed

 

[Roriipupper]

Yuu is Rentarou's disciple.

I refuse anything else.

 

[krater]

Is falling in love with yourself considered incest?

ain't the term for that selfcest

 

[Hussam4]

This is one of the best rom com mangas period. I hope it keeps going till its intended end

 

[AnimuVsMango]

kinda cringe ngl

Lmaoooo she was scared of giving him the ick

Damn, this series really does just ooze style, and it's shone the brightest in the Aika arc. Who could've predicted she'd just fall flat on her face? It's been really interesting to see how they'd reconcile with a character that didn't want to play along, and getting to see a Karin's psychology more in depth really opened up a lot for analysis. I'm glad the author included the bit about dancing, because it's very true.

 

[HoesLuvHerro]

He really takes after Rentaro I love it

 

[Lunkli]

You are grossly misinterpreting what she said. Her line was "I don't remember stuff from before the big split super well.", and then follows up with her confidently recalling memories of playing with Yū and wanting to show him how cool she is. She clearly does have pre-split memories, just that they're incomplete or not always clear. As shown by Yū's later recounting, her aforementioned memory is accurate, just not the whole picture; she didn't remember that she was putting up a cool front. The implication is that each splinter-personality has a biased version of the pre-split memories, with different elements downplayed or emphasized in accordance to each one's idiosyncrasies.

Using Aika as an example, her personality is all about being cool, and so her version of the memories exaggerates her coolness while suppressing the fact that said coolness was in reality a facade.

That's definitely another possible interpretation, but you really can't just say that I was "grossly misinterpreting what she said." You're not the author. You don't know what they meant by that line or what they meant to imply.

I was pointing out that she seems to be almost dissociating from most of her memories before the split. If they were clones, they should have complete, totally rememberable memories that just start changing after the split points. Instead, though, it seems like they've been given a certain subsection of the original Karin's memories.

If we assume that that's what actually happened, then the question is: Were new "empty" Karins created to receive these memories? Or were people that already existed given the memories? The former has the issue of needing massive alterations to the past. The latter only has to change the present. Occam's Razor thus deems the latter the more likely of the two.

 

[Tarage]

Hol up, I wanna know more about Weiner King...

 

[SpartanNinjaDragon]

This discussion is all well and good, but we're clearly neglecting the real mystery:
What the heck an isekai gyoza is and how a stand hawking them beat out every Karin in the competition. Is one of the students importing food from a fantasy-cooking hybrid manga?

The only possible way I can think of is if Sanji somehow got Reverse Isekaied and teamed up with Soma from Food Wars and the two made impossibly delicious Gyoza or something.

 

[Jasonzzldude]

delete all karin.

 

[MadScientist666]

Is falling in love with yourself considered incest?

Narcissism

 

[MarqFJA87]

That's definitely another possible interpretation, but you really can't just say that I was "grossly misinterpreting what she said." You're not the author. You don't know what they meant by that line or what they meant to imply.

I was pointing out that she seems to be almost dissociating from most of her memories before the split. If they were clones, they should have complete, totally rememberable memories that just start changing after the split points. Instead, though, it seems like they've been given a certain subsection of the original Karin's memories.

If we assume that that's what actually happened, then the question is: Were new "empty" Karins created to receive these memories? Or were people that already existed given the memories? The former has the issue of needing massive alterations to the past. The latter only has to change the present. Occam's Razor thus deems the latter the more likely of the two.

No, Occam's razor dictates that the interpretation that deviates less from the explicitly stated premise and/or in-story statements relevant to it is the more likely one.

My interpretation relies purely on the story being explicitly promoted as being about a single girl being split into multiple different variations on herself, as well as the explicit in-story statement by the charm that it had split Karin into multiple versions of herself representing different facets of her original personality.

Your interpretation on the other hand assumes without any justifiable cause that the author and the charm are trying to bait and switch the readers about the premise, via lying about the girls being splits of the original, just to push the possibility that they could be unrelated people that had been physically and mentally altered as equally valid as the far simpler option of taking everything we were told at face value.


Or put another away, you want us to believe that the author came up with a novel premise, then decided that it would be better to not play it straight and instead deconstruct it straight away, even though for a deconstruction to properly work you need to have a previously existing straight example to contrast it against. It's like if we were back in the late 80s reading the ongoing Sailor Moon, and the author suddenly decided to have the main cast die left and right in the very first arc and reveal it was all due to Luna and Artemis being psychopathic manipulators with inhumane ulterior motives behind empowering the magical girls (i.e. the plot of the much later Puella Magi Madoka Magica).

Also, outside of strict scientific context, people use "clone" loosely to refer to not just perfect copies of a living being but also partial/incomplete/imperfect copies as well, so your argument on this front hold no water.

TLDR you are reading too much into the whole thing and letting yourself be controlled by an overactive imagination. Temper yourself.

 

[testro]

You guys think the clones are gonna stop at some point or it'll get to the point where her mom pushing out 23 kids in one day is canon

The first volume's cover shows 6 Karins + the orignal so we'll probably just get those 6

 

[Lunkli]

No, Occam's razor dictates that the interpretation that deviates less from the explicitly stated premise and/or in-story statements relevant to it is the more likely one.

My interpretation relies purely on the story being explicitly promoted as being about a single girl being split into multiple different variations on herself, as well as the explicit in-story statement by the charm that it had split Karin into multiple versions of herself representing different facets of her original personality.

Your interpretation on the other hand assumes without any justifiable cause that the author and the charm are trying to bait and switch the readers about the premise, via lying about the girls being splits of the original, just to push the possibility that they could be unrelated people that had been physically and mentally altered as equally valid as the far simpler option of taking everything we were told at face value.

Dude, seriously, stop acting like you know everything. You're not the author— You have no way of knowing which of us is right. So right now neither of us are right, and neither of us are wrong.

You are wrong about what Occam's razor is, though. It says that the solution that requires the fewest assumptions and leaps in logic is the most likely solution, not that the solution that matches what the story initially presents is the most likely solution.

Both my and your solution require the charm to be capable of rewriting people's memories and to mess with people's physical bodies, but while yours requires it to also be capable of creating new life and alter history, mine does not. That's why I consider it the "simpler solution." The charm needs fewer powers to be capable of it.

That doesn't mean I'm automatically right, and depending on how you look at it, some other solution could be considered simpler, but it is at the very least a valid reason to consider it a decently likely possibility— a fact that you seem to be maliciously denying.

Or put another away, you want us to believe that the author came up with a novel premise, then decided that it would be better to not play it straight and instead deconstruct it straight away, even though for a deconstruction to properly work you need to have a previously existing straight example to contrast it against. It's like if we were back in the late 80s reading the ongoing Sailor Moon, and the author suddenly decided to have the main cast die left and right in the very first arc and reveal it was all due to Luna and Artemis being psychopathic manipulators with inhumane ulterior motives behind empowering the magical girls (i.e. the plot of the much later Puella Magi Madoka Magica).

But also, something not following it's originally stated premise doesn't make it a deconstruction. As you say, this is a "novel premise," which means that there are no tropes or cliches for it to subvert or for it follow. There is nothing to "play straight" because this concept does not yet have a presupposed path to follow. It can go in whatever direction the author wants it to and it will have subverted nothing.

Like, following your logic, something like Death Note would have to be a nonsensical deconstruction because no one had played the concept of "magically killing criminals to make the world a better place" straight yet and made a story that portrayed it's version of Light as an awesome, heroic, just guy.

Also, Sailor Moon was absolutely not the first magical girl series and first came out in the '90s, not the '80s. There were plenty before it that it's writers could have deconstructed if they so wished.