Please Bully Me, Miss Villainess! - Vol. 6 Ch. 82 - I'm Sorry, My Lady

[Dominus_deImmortales]

Bro the new cover's happiness does not match the story rn

 

[shemper]

Thank you for your work!

 

[rkkn]

this development is always dumb every time I see it.

even though in every other instance, I trust you more than anyone else in the world, but in this instance, I don't trust you to be able to see what's right, so I'm going to go betray your trust and incapacitate you

 

[OnewingedMasios]

Betrayal of trust? - maybe, but this is the kind of betrayal from which only Linda would suffer; regular kind of betrayal - no.

I don't care to join in the rest of the argument since it's just arguing perspective as objective, but here this isn't how that works. There is no "regular kind of betrayal" in the first place as "to betray" means

betray (third-person singular simple present betrays, present participle betraying, simple past and past participle betrayed)

1. (transitive) To deliver into the hands of an enemy by treachery or fraud, in violation of trust; to give up treacherously or faithlessly.
   an officer betrayed the city
2. (transitive) To prove faithless or treacherous to, as to a trust or one who trusts; to be false to; to deceive.
   to betray a person or a cause
   Quresh betrayed Sunil to marry Nuzhat.
   My eyes have been betraying me since I turned sixty.
3. (transitive) To violate the confidence of, by disclosing a secret, or that which one is bound in honor not to make known.
4. (transitive) To disclose or indicate, for example something which prudence would conceal; to reveal unintentionally.
   Though he had lived in England for many years, a faint accent betrayed his Swedish origin.
5. (transitive) To mislead; to expose to inconvenience not foreseen; to lead into error or sin.
6. (transitive) To lead astray; to seduce (as under promise of marriage) and then abandon.

Literally every single definition of to betray involves the act of violating the trust of someone who trusted you, which means Elsa and Linda definitively betrayed Yvonne.

 

[mmosimca]

I mean, we literally knew this was coming. We just didn't know if it was this chapter or 10 chapters from now.

Presumably Linda smuggles young Elsa out of the house, and when Yvonne wakes up, she's back in the future. Meanwhile, the past Yvonne's consciousness is returned to her past self, having never met Elsa at all. Young Yvonne (and probably Linda) are confused by the gap in her memories but play along with it, and young Yvonne is overjoyed to see her mother healthy.

So yeah, arc over and the timeline is now is fully continuous as was hinted from the very start of the series.

The problem is that the future is still fucked and Yvonne is still going to die soon. Maybe the knowledge she got about the curse is the key? Plus she knows Elsa has it now.

 

[danvolodar]

Evidently, it is not. Linda's agency is to ensure that her masters don't have to bear the curse

Of course not. She is a servant under direct, immediate and clear orders. What she's doing, starting with complacency in her mistress' poisoning, goes directly against her obligations - both legal and moral.

Let's not use words that don't apply to the situation just "for edginess sake". Linda's actions are motivated first and foremost by her loyalty to Yvonne and her mother.

It's irrelevant. Abusing someone's trust to poison them, so as to act against their clearly stated interests, is betrayal, whatever the motivations for that may be.

They know as much as they can possibly know, a discussion between three people knowing exactly the same thing wouldn'r have made them know more

A fair share of negotiations have the parties with access to the same information. Somehow, the entire history of humanity still demonstrates that negotiations are possible and beneficial, potentially reaching a compromise or even a mutually beneficial solution, when different sides evaluate different aspects of what they know differently.

Again with "betrayals" for edginess sake. Were there any situations where a """betrayal""" was an option, fuzzy memory man?

Betrayal is always an option as long as switching loyalties is possible.

Elsa, a character who consistently acts against Yvonne's wishes, suddenly contradicts herself by acting against Yvonne's wishes

Oh, so then there are going to be examples of Elsa acting directly against Yvonne's stated wishes and interests? Maybe in this timeline even?

Sorry, but that's on you to demonstrandum prior situations where Elsa's actions contradict what she's doing now

Simple: so far she's been acting for Elsa's benefit (particularly in this timeline), now she's directly betraying her to act against her.

 

[mgRdr]

Literally every single definition of to betray involves the act of violating the trust of someone who trusted you

Can an ordinary and inconsequential lie be called a betrayal? Not saying that what Linda did is an inconsequential lie, far from it, but there are degrees of violating the trust, and betrayal is a heavy word. Even among the things to be considered "betrayal", there's a different weight to them. Like, the first definition presented sounds way heavier than, say, the third one, isn't it?

Going back to the situation at hand, to call what Linda did a "betrayal" without any other qualifiers is to imply that she acted against the interests of the familiy either for her own selfish gains or in best interests of some other opposing faction. Neither of that is true - what she did was out of loyalty to the family. And more than that, Yvonne can feel rightfully betrayed by Linda, i.e. "I can't trust you to follow my orders and act upon my wishes anymore", but there's someone she's subordinated to who's not Yvonne and who holds higher authority within the household - Yvonne's mother, who's definitely not gonna be happy to discover her trusted maid placing a deadly curse on her daughter.

 

[TeadyBear123]

Dick move but i understand her reasoning

 

[mgRdr]

She is a servant under direct, immediate and clear orders

I brought it up in this comment, but the authority Yvonne has over Linda is secondary to the authority Yvonne's mother holds over both of them. Direct and immediate orders of a child who's about to do something stupid to the point that it would justify executing Linda once either the Duke or the Duchess learns of it don't mean shit. Yvonne can feel betrayed for as long as she wants, but she's not the one wearing the pants in the duchy.

Somehow, the entire history of humanity

Don't care, we're discussing a work of fiction with catwomen involved.
What I am interested in is, what do you think would be the outcome of that discussion? I presented mine - Yvonne thwarting Linda and Elsa's plans and proceeding with transfering the curse onto herself - something Linda and Else are well aware of, hence what they ended up doing.

as long as switching loyalties is possible

Were there any situtations where switching loyalties was a warranted option? I'd like to note that neither Linda's nor Elsa's loyalties switched due to their "betrayal"

now she's directly betraying her to act against her.

Not letting Yvonne transfer a deadly curse onto herself is a "betrayal" and "against Yvonne". Do I need to explain why Elsa's about to do the thing? That should be apparent from looking at this manhua's tags

Oh, so then there are going to be examples of Elsa acting directly against Yvonne's stated wishes and interests?

Like when she stalked Yvonne to the backwater town she was exiled to, despite Yvonne's best wishes to distance herself from Elsa.
But then again, I've made a mistake by engaging with your faulty argument. "It contradicts" is an accusation, and it is up to you to prove the contradiction by providing examples of past established behaviours that contradict what is happening now.

Maybe in this timeline even?

Goalposts

 

[BlackElite]

Wait, don't tell me after this there will be time adult Yvonne from a timeline where there's no Elsa... And everything went back to the ground zero...

 

[Amariithynar]

Never thought I’d say this, but…

Linda and Elsa, you motherfuckers.

Considering Evie's mom.... Yeah.

 

[OnewingedMasios]

Can an ordinary and inconsequential lie be called a betrayal?

Even among the things to be considered "betrayal", there's a different weight to them. Like, the first definition presented sounds way heavier than, say, the third one, isn't it?

You answered your own question for yourself...

to call what Linda did a "betrayal" without any other qualifiers is to imply that she acted against the interests of the familiy either for her own selfish gains or in best interests of some other opposing faction. Neither of that is true

Yvonne can feel rightfully betrayed by Linda, i.e. "I can't trust you to follow my orders and act upon my wishes anymore"

These are two contradictory statements. If Yvonne feels betrayed then its betrayal full stop. There is no "Well acktually its not really betrayal since someone else potentially would not feel betrayed in a hypothetical what if". Those are not mutally exclusive situations where Yvonne can be betrayed by Linda & Elsa while both of those two betrayed her for the sake of the mistress (Yvonne's mother) feelings on the matter who would have felt betrayed if they allowed her to go through it in the first place

in best interests of some other opposing faction

And by doing this they actually are acting in the the best interests of some other opposing faction with that faction simply being her mother who is adamant about keeping her safe. Yvonne being adamant about taking on the curse makes her inherently opposed to her mother's wishes and neither will back down as both want the well being of the other which comes at the cost of themselves or someone they equally cherish as a sacrifice (here being Elsa as both want Elsa to be safe since it likewise is something both recognise makes Yvonne happy).

So here we have Yvonne doing everything in her power to make her mother safe and well while her mother does the same for her, both are trying to prevent Elsa from getting dragged into it since they both recognise she makes Yvonne happy as her anchor, and finally both are adamant about sacrificing themselves while refusing to listen to anyone who tried to tell them not to sacrifice themselves. This is two opposing factions who will never back down, as backing down means the death of the other which they are unable to accept, and are doing everything in their power to keep the other safe and happy no matter the cost to themselves. Aka they're both idiots. Loveable idiots, but idiots all the same.

That said this shows that not only can you have opposing forces with no hostility, but that we currently have two opposing forces with open affection for one another with the reason for opposing one another being this overwhelming affection. So here Linda and Elsa have three choices: betray Yvonne to keep her safe like the mother wants and as such choose the mother, betray the mother and allow Yvonne to have her wish at the cost of her life, or betray both by transferring the host onto Elsa against both their wishes (what they are doing). Either way they were forced to betray someone either through action (Yvonne, and less directly, the mother) or inaction (the mother).

I personally think this is a great way of writing betrayal from affection, but it's still betrayal. Just because the word has negative usage often times, does not mean its inherent negative. Its a neutral word at the end of the day. Since you have to realise here as well if Yvonne went through with it (inaction), she herself would be betraying her own mother as well just like her mother is betraying her to keep herself by refusing to find another host for the curse. Its a selfish desire to protect the other that makes them forgoe the trust they built in one another in one of the greatest acts of love you can do in this type of situation. Its a classic trope in chinese historical stories so its no surprise its here.

 

[MathMols]

Damn they betrayed her

 

[Manchura]

damn, they really did poison her

 

[Akbar52134]

The mid

 

[NIPHY]

I hope this time it will resolve it all... and not jump from square one because this time elsa will take all the cursed.. not yvonne alone and not being shared (hopely)

 

[nanimuwu]

Can someone post the early page content here?

 

[FarseerScarletSil]

Ok, ok. For the first time in a LONG LOOOOOONNNGGGG time I think I’m willing to let the author cook here. Only and I mean only because I’m about 80% certain the “curse” is actually the Villainess system. Since the curse is supposed to propagate evil, with horrific punishment if not followed through with IE becoming fatally bedridden and ill like Yvonne’s mom. And having Elsa in the position of villainess is quite a unique role reversal and is probably the singular plot point I’ve been excited for ever since the time reversal arc ever began.

 

[69_funny_number]

Man what the fuck ever since the fucking time travel bullshit the writing has gone down the drain like wtf is even happening rn

 

[LilithRaven]

Am I the only one who finds all the "OMG I'M EARLY" comments incredibly annoying? Like congrats, you either coincidentally refreshed at the right time or you have no life. Nobody cares.

oh wow look mom a hypocrite! you DO care enpugh to be an asshole