Qǐng Qīfu Wǒ ba, Èyì Xiǎojiě! - Vol. 12 Ch. 153 - My Destined Soulmate is Coming

[SpencerSDH]

did my guy just say "trans men are men, and that means they need to stay the hell away from my yuri"? based

Inclusive exclusivity. We love to see it.

 

[SpencerSDH]

Don't call trans women futa

It's funny because the author didn't even exclude trans women. 🤭

 

[ElariaFlori]

how can people be so so charitable LMAO, "men with ####" is not exactly a kind way to say trans men, yall need to like raise your bar for cis ppl like by 100% at least, and maybe take things like 5% more serious. I am curious what the text said if it was like, equally as bad taste or what but like wtf baffling that isnt the response.

Glad to see you again, with horrible takes once more! Yeah, boiling people down to genitals is crude and uncomfortable, but in this case it's not saying "trans men = men with no penile organ". It's saying that even men without it aren't somehow magically considered women. It didn't even name drop trans men. Because hey, trans men are men, and trans men can also be femboys. Trans men can ALSO happen to have the same organs as cis men. In this case, it was just saying that men who don't have that organ, also still are not to be part of the yuri. I genuinely don't know what you want from these stories lmao. It feels like every time trans people are mentioned in any capacity, you get mad unless they're breaking the fourth wall saying "Hi viewers I am a trans woman, the most trans to have ever existed, so much so my blood is the colours of the trans flag". Genuinely baffling.

 

[TanyaTheEvil]

She looked so beautiful, gorgeous, dashing, and charming. Thanks for the chapter and translation

 

[mibombo]

Not a fan of the whole "prince" trope in yuri series ngl

 

[vvboondoggirl]

Glad to see you again, with horrible takes once more! Yeah, boiling people down to genitals is crude and uncomfortable, but in this case it's not saying "trans men = men with no penile organ". It's saying that even men without it aren't somehow magically considered women. It didn't even name drop trans men. Because hey, trans men are men, and trans men can also be femboys. Trans men can ALSO happen to have the same organs as cis men. In this case, it was just saying that men who don't have that organ, also still are not to be part of the yuri. I genuinely don't know what you want from these stories lmao. It feels like every time trans people are mentioned in any capacity, you get mad unless they're breaking the fourth wall saying "Hi viewers I am a trans woman, the most trans to have ever existed, so much so my blood is the colours of the trans flag". Genuinely baffling.

you entirely just imagined me saying like three seperate things in this chapter. and then blamed me for the ten or so people that did immediately think "trans men mentioned" which i was noting is like bad for exactly what you said, both so called allies and the text reducing it to genitalia. the text did so with a crude reference to genitalia and people simply followed suit in the thread. I pointed out the small contradiction and never heightened any of my opinions beyond "bad taste" or crude. Now you are just going full hyperbole to try to slam me to the appeal of thoroughly transmisogynistic ppl that have gotten temp bans off the forum for stuff theyve hounded me with or said in reaction.

I do not give the benefit of the doubt, sorry like have you seen the state of trans representation in manga? let alone yuri? Even just trans masc/man? Far more Wandering Sons than Boys Run the Riots. The author of the former aligning with jkr et al, btw. Do I want a wall break, didactic ass flat representation? No? Uniforms at 19 to this day is still my favorite trans woman led yuri/manga and it's rife with problems. Some trans mascs + men are really attached to Wandering Son and I don't blame them.


I don't think I was entirely out of line jumping on the first 2 chapters of MDL that did frame its trans woman initially with tr*p/transmisogynistic tropes. Once it got to more realize her depiction, my only concern was still the lack of audience interpretation/acception of the plain text, that yes was being perpetuated in part by that tr*p stuff informing a lot of peoples critical analysis on first impression that I will still hold the author to (while clearly still enjoying her work, and enjoying the translation done by the biggest critic of my MDL comments). Did I get too aggressive, maybe so! But the resistance to trans feminine interpretation does belie transmisogyny. People were saying awful things! You can disagree with what I have more charitably summarised as my position here, that's fine. Just don't paint me as the raving hysteric, really truly excellent job at running a misogyny classic on me. The fact that foxhumilis has fallen for that more complicates me reading the continued translation of MDL than any of their negative critique of my trans positions. I quite care about misogyny, and people should know better that there is no acceptable target that suddenly makes it ok to say those kinds of things, no matter how irritating you find her.

 

[vvboondoggirl]

Not a fan of the whole "prince" trope in yuri series ngl

Butches and masculine women are intrinisc to lesbian cultures across countries and ethnicities. Princely girl has been in the genre since class S

 

[ElariaFlori]

Butches and masculine women are intrinisc to lesbian cultures across countries and ethnicities. Princely girl has been in the genre since class S

On this comment I both agree and disagree with you. I think that when sapphic works refuse to highlight any semblance of diversity within people, and more specifically lesbians in this case, it's gross. But I think that when a lot of series portray masculine women as exclusively being princes, or prince-like, it tends to go back into the framework of straight relationships. It reinforces the very incorrect idea that even in gay relationships, there's a man and a woman. Masculine women, butches, and androgynous women are not men, and so when series put them back into a binary of a straight relationship I do think it is pretty harmful overall. It feels akin to modern animation studios making "strong, independent women" always have to fit within the box of "masculine". Or if a character suddenly becomes strong and independent, it'll show a moment of them cutting their hair short or something. Which, hey, sometimes the road to independence for women means abandoning the box they were told was right, which in this case is hyper femininity. But I think that defining strong as being non feminine only harms everyone overall. People can absolutely be strong and independent AND feminine. And people can be timid and hyper reliant on others, while still being masculine. I find the prince trope to be an extension of this concept. Characters should be able to exist as themselves without being forced into hyper specific boxes just to make people more comfortable. Especially since humanity as a whole is incredibly multi-faceted, so humans aren't even remotely as one dimensional as these characters anyways. It'd be far better representation for everyone if characters could breathe and exist outside of the strict rules for stereotypes.

 

[ElariaFlori]

you entirely just imagined me saying like three seperate things in this chapter. and then blamed me for the ten or so people that did immediately think "trans men mentioned" which i was noting is like bad for exactly what you said, both so called allies and the text reducing it to genitalia. the text did so with a crude reference to genitalia and people simply followed suit in the thread. I pointed out the small contradiction and never heightened any of my opinions beyond "bad taste" or crude. Now you are just going full hyperbole to try to slam me to the appeal of thoroughly transmisogynistic ppl that have gotten temp bans off the forum for stuff theyve hounded me with or said in reaction.

I think this section is somewhat my fault, as I realize I might not have been 100% clear. So, to more specifically explain what I'm trying to say.

Did people immediately assume the manhua was talking about trans men when it said men with ####?

Yes. Which, I agree is an unfortunate thing. Mostly for the fact that in a broader societal context, most people boil down trans men to men with female parts, and vise versa to trans women. That's just objectively an uncomfortable thing. It does also mean though that there's a side effect of people being conditioned to immediately think of trans men when something says men with #### (which while entirely unspecific, within the context of the manhua I think a fair assumption is that it's mentioning a specific sexual organ). This is not the fault of the story, nor is it really the fault of the people in the forum here, either. It's mainly the fault of how societal standards dictate that people must be grouped and categorized to hell and back. In an ideal world, trans people could go to a doctor, have their brain scanned, and be given a diagnosis of "Yeah hmmm. Your body got a bit lost and stopped communicating with your brain while developing. Let's fix that up for you" and then you take one pill and immediately all problems are solved and the body matches the brain, yippee woohoo. Unfortunately the world is not so kind. But I think the story here isn't to blame, at least on first glance. Trans men are men, so saying no men can be involved would defacto exclude trans men. The assumed mentioning of men without a penile organ is there to reinforce that only women are allowed, and that just because a guy lacks certain parts, it doesn't mean that they're immediately considered the opposite gender, it just means that they lack those parts. That's it. So my complaint about your comment is moreso me being confused why you're immediately blaming the story for the issue on language, when it's really not the fault of the story.

When it comes to that last bit though, I genuinely don't know what you're ranting about. I'm not really trying to appeal to anyone? Whether people agree or disagree with me, it doesn't particularly matter. I have my perspective, and I simply wish to speak my mind. You don't have to like me, or agree with what I'm saying. You don't even have to read my comments. I don't particularly care if you like or dislike me, either. Same with anyone else who could possibly read this. I simply wish to speak my mind, because these topics are very important to me, and I wish to give my opinions on them.

I do not give the benefit of the doubt, sorry like have you seen the state of trans representation in manga? let alone yuri? Even just trans masc/man? Far more Wandering Sons than Boys Run the Riots. The author of the former aligning with jkr et al, btw. Do I want a wall break, didactic ass flat representation? No? Uniforms at 19 to this day is still my favorite trans woman led yuri/manga and it's rife with problems. Some trans mascs + men are really attached to Wandering Son and I don't blame them.

On this topic, I have not seen the state of trans representation in manga, no. I imagine that it is quite poor though. Granted, I now typically avoid content specifically made to tell trans stories. This is for a variety of reasons, though the main one is that I wish to connect to characters in a vacuum, and due to the internet being dumb, there's always a thought in the back of my mind that whenever there's a trans character, namely trans women characters, I'm supposed to like them BECAUSE they're trans, or "just like me". In Mage & Demon Queen, a webcomic I followed since it first started 8 years ago, there's a trans character who I find to be completely insufferable. She genuinely gets on my nerves whenever I reread it for good old time's sake. But the comments of the webcomic always gush over how great and cute and sweet she is and it feels like the only reason they're doing that is BECAUSE she's trans, and they maybe pity her or something. Nonetheless, I hate feeling obligated to like a character simply because they share issues I might have gone through. Now, aside from that, I also have my problems with the broader online trans community for a variety of reasons. That alone has also soiled my perspective on trans characters because they're now linked in my mind with a bunch of people who have said quite terrible things to me (like telling me I'm a traitor to my community and no better than a fascist, because I've been dating a cis woman for almost 5 years now. I was told that the only person who could ever love me was another trans women, and that eventually I'd be betrayed because according to them, cis people are inherently bad and cannot improve no matter what. This was in a support group for my city, for further clarification. So trans people within close proximity to me).

Nonetheless, I can understand the want and need for better representation, even if I'm never going to be the type of person who seeks out said works. But I still think you're overly uneasy, to a degree that's unjustified. I can understand being upset with current representation, but I also think that, from reading your comments on multiple of these works, you're VERY harsh when it comes to very small meaningless things that are more of a symptom of society than anything specific within the author.

I don't think I was entirely out of line jumping on the first 2 chapters of MDL that did frame its trans woman initially with tr*p/transmisogynistic tropes. Once it got to more realize her depiction, my only concern was still the lack of audience interpretation/acception of the plain text, that yes was being perpetuated in part by that tr*p stuff informing a lot of peoples critical analysis on first impression that I will still hold the author to (while clearly still enjoying her work, and enjoying the translation done by the biggest critic of my MDL comments). Did I get too aggressive, maybe so! But the resistance to trans feminine interpretation does belie transmisogyny. People were saying awful things! You can disagree with what I have more charitably summarised as my position here, that's fine. Just don't paint me as the raving hysteric, really truly excellent job at running a misogyny classic on me. The fact that foxhumilis has fallen for that more complicates me reading the continued translation of MDL than any of their negative critique of my trans positions. I quite care about misogyny, and people should know better that there is no acceptable target that suddenly makes it ok to say those kinds of things, no matter how irritating you find her.

In response to this, I'd like to remind you that most people in those chapters WERE accepting of the MDL character. The comment I initially responded to over there was on a chapter where literally all the previous comments referred to the character as she, and a girl. Then I was also upset with you calling people transphobic and transmisogynistic if they had ever said the character was gender nonconforming (I'm saying the character because I'm horrible with names and just flat out forget her name, so my apologies on that front). I find this to be extreme, because hey, gender noncomforming, while being a term that has been used to dehumanize trans women, is ALSO a perfectly reasonable term with a valid usecase in other scenarios. I've seen very positive use cases myself, like with an artist who I used to listen to a lot named Takayan. He's this incredibly buff burly dude who would wear a maid dress and do idol dances in his music videos. That's, by definition, "gender nonconforming", but I think it's a great thing! He seemed really happy and fun to be around, and I think it's great that he's a huge buff guy who isn't hyper insecure about his masculinity a la Andrew Tate. Now, when it comes to the character in MDL, I just saw them as not your typical average dude. I didn't want to jump to conclusions on anything, because I try to refrain from projecting myself onto characters. I want to let them breathe and exist in their own right, and if they end up having traits that relate to me, cool. Now, since it's basically confirmed that she's a trans girl, hey! That's great. I still find her to be completely insufferable outside of that fact, but I am intrigued to see where the writer goes with this. But I didn't call her trans until recently. You mentioned in a previous comment that you think it's gross to put trans women on the same spectrum as femboys. Which, in a vacuum, I can agree with sometimes. It mainly just depends on what that spectrum is. If the spectrum is gender and gender expression across all of humanity, then yeah, they're on the same spectrum, but just probably not super close to each other. If the spectrum is about men and gender expression in regards to men specifically, then trans women wouldn't be on that spectrum. Nonetheless, I find that you frequently assume malice when you could just be assuming literally anything else. Just because someone uses language you dislike does not mean they're immediately malicious in their intentions. Now, is it possible that they're being malicious? Absolutely! But across your comments you're very quiet to call everyone else out for being malicious, when from an outside perspective I see a lot of those people are just not necessarily having the right words, or even just them having a different perspective from you. I do agree that it's not okay to spew hatred simply because you dislike a character. It's an unfortunate fact that in the eyes of many, a trans woman is only deserving of being gendered correctly if she's perfect and does not wrong. I find it to be gross, because it's not a matter of respect, it's a matter of accuracy. Trans women are objectively women. That is an undeniable fact that has been backed up by every major medical organization. So when people suddenly try to decide otherwise the second a trans woman is no longer perfect in their eyes, it is weird. But this isn't really about that though. I genuinely didn't see anyone deciding Xao Mu (is that her name?? I forget, but I think I'm close, idk) isn't a girl simply because she's an annoying brat who refuses to realize that she's pushing all of her problems on her sister, who in fact suffers a lot when being forced to interact with the family who abandoned her. I REALLLY hope she starts to stand up for herself more and builds her own life, so that her sister doesn't feel obligated to sacrifice the entirety of her dignity and sense of self to help someone who is living the life she wasn't allowed to live, no matter how many flaws that life may still have. Nonetheless, I think you're way too ready to assume malice when it could be literally anything else. This has been long, so apologies.

 

[Flyingavocados]

I came here to figure out what the censored part was now I’m even more confused