R15+ Ja Dame Desuka? - Vol. 2 Ch. 10 - Haughty & Prejudice

[HunterCO]

Someone's been on Facebook too long

 

[justsomeguywhoreadsmanga]

Thank you translation team! This manga is a straight banger in my opinion. I’d love it if the twist is that the mom starred in a certain type of R+15 (or higher) movies she doesn’t want her daughter to ever see. That’d be throwing the wholesomeness away (kinda) but that’d be funny.
Also, I agree with the brother before me that defended Fuyumine. Dude had no way to sway Amou-mama. He decided to retreat and rethink his strategy, which was probably the best course of action. You can’t argue logically with some people anyway, gotta use feelings to convey ideas or (violence).

Thanks again for working on this.

 

[beep_repair]

Getting the impression that writer Kishitani-san isn't exactly Japan's most discerning film fan (or, more charitably, that he hasn't yet dug too deep). I mean, I agree that Lords of Salem is R. Bartleh Cummings' best flick, with House of 1,000 Corpses running a respectably close 2nd -- but that's hardly a ringing endorsement. None of the films highlighted so far have been particularly interesting or surprising-in-a-good-way.
Not that it matters. I'm a fuckin snob, and this series is great

 

[beep_repair]

Also, I agree with the brother before me that defended Fuyumine. Dude had no way to sway Amou-mama. He decided to retreat and rethink his strategy, which was probably the best course of action.

Yup. When you get thrown out of someone's house, it's usually best to take the L and rethink.

 

[sd9238]

To be fair, the mom kind of has a point? Watching movies isn't necessarily harmful, if you become so obsessed with them that you neglect socializing and studying to watch them like the main character then it's obviously not good. The mom doesn't want Amou to fall down the same path and/or become involved heavily with a losers like him. At the very least it's a huge time sink for a kid to watch movies every day after school.

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

So Japan also had Frederic Wortham.

 

[silverpetricof]

He's some random kid her daughter knows, and you want him to argue with the mom? It's hard enough to get anyone to change their minds on issues they have no commitment to. This is clearly a deeply ingrained belief, and making enemies of your friend's parents isn't the way to get their permission for her join your club

Amou's mom literally asked Fuyumine to give her a compelling argument and he clammed up like a damn fool. And after saying he'd "prove the entire thing wrong."

That's what I mean: Amou's mom seemed open to having her mind changed, but Fuyumine squandered the one good opportunity to do so. That entire scene made him look so ridiculous.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Amou's mom literally asked Fuyumine to give her a compelling argument and he clammed up like a damn fool. And after saying he'd "prove the entire thing wrong."

That's what I mean: Amou's mom seemed open to having her mind changed, but Fuyumine squandered the one good opportunity to do so. That entire scene made him look so ridiculous.

I see you've never spoken to adults as a child. No, she was not "open to having her mind changed". She asks the question already having the answer in her head. I'm sure you've experienced this in your adult life, at least. This wasn't a rational discussion between equals, this was an adult woman bulldozing some awkward kid into submission.

 

[silverpetricof]

I see you've never spoken to adults as a child. No, she was not "open to having her mind changed". She asks the question already having the answer in her head. I'm sure you've experienced this in your adult life, at least. This wasn't a rational discussion between equals, this was an adult woman bulldozing some awkward kid into submission.

Ok first of all: fuck you for making baseless assumptions about my life. Hell you're doing it here by assuming her mom wouldn't even be open to the possibility of reconsidering her perspective.

If that's the case what the hell do you even expect Fuyumine to do if this woman "already [has] the answer in her head?" He's gotta try and convince her somehow you dumbass. The way the plot is progressing necessitates that she be convinced, and that's only possible if she's at least remotely capable of having her mind changed.

I almost feel bad for you if all the adults you talked to as a child behaved like Amou's mom. Anyone who isn't open to new perspectives will continue to wallow in their own ignorance.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Ok first of all: fuck you for making baseless assumptions about my life.

I like how you took that as a genuine assessment of your life. And it kind of makes the point that rhetoric goes over your head.

If that's the case what the hell do you even expect Fuyumine to do if this woman "already [has] the answer in her head?" He's gotta try and convince her somehow you dumbass.

Well the first step is to not double down when she's clearly not listening.

The way the plot is progressing necessitates that she be convinced, and that's only possible if she's at least remotely capable of having her mind changed.

Well he found something in her room. And I've seen enough Hentai to know where this is going.

 

[silverpetricof]

I like how you took that as a genuine assessment of your life. And it kind of makes the point that rhetoric goes over your head.

Well the first step is to not double down when she's clearly not listening.

Well he found something in her room. And I've seen enough Hentai to know where this is going.

That was not rhetoric; that was you just being an asshole just because someone disagrees with you. Rhetoric involves actually being persuasive, something you're clearly incapable of if you resort to insulting your opponent.

And I'd still argue, as stubborn as she is, that she was open to some kind of communication. But again Fuyumine failed to get his point across.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

That was not rhetoric; that was you just being an asshole just because someone disagrees with you. Rhetoric involves actually being persuasive, something you're clearly incapable of if you resort to insulting your opponent.

Allow me to double down on my point now that you're clearly not listening.

 

[silverpetricof]

Allow me to double down on my point now that you're clearly not listening.

You know what can we not continue this? If I'm not listening, then you aren't either. And I have no desire to change your mind on this.

You think she can't have her mind changed while I think otherwise. Now let's shut up and leave it at that. Ok? Ok.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

You know what can we not continue this? If I'm not listening, then you aren't either. And I have no desire to change your mind on this.

You think she can't have her mind changed while I think otherwise. Now let's shut up and leave it at that. Ok? Ok.

But he couldn't change her mind! Look how he tried telling her she was making hasty generalizations!

 

[samazam]

Oh, her mom is one of  those people.

 

[Dorraj]

I'm sure there's more to it but her mom is awful.

 

[K-nine]

Getting the impression that writer Kishitani-san isn't exactly Japan's most discerning film fan (or, more charitably, that he hasn't yet dug too deep). I mean, I agree that Lords of Salem is R. Bartleh Cummings' best flick, with House of 1,000 Corpses running a respectably close 2nd -- but that's hardly a ringing endorsement. None of the films highlighted so far have been particularly interesting or surprising-in-a-good-way.
Not that it matters. I'm a fuckin snob, and this series is great

Or he might just have different sensibility and/or isn't too pressured about being a snob who has to have the most dark horse pick all the times. Good films are still good and worth talking about plentily. In any case, the films people considered "kino" on Internet spaces popular with English speaking youths are not universal kino picks either, all of them are the downstream of the history of media distribution and discourse which is rifed with biases and idiosyncracies of their own times. That history itself has gone through many paradigmatic shifts which obscures those relationships.
Distribution and discourse are highly central too in forming in-country elitist culture. Distribution is dictated by the distributors foothold in a location, local economy, means of circulation, government policies and policing about media, self-policing of parents and communities, cultural sensibility and ideology,... all of them eventually dictate availability and attention. Availability and attention forms the bedrock of a normie-core elitist culture reacts to and also simultaneously spawns nostalgia, elite culture reshapes the sensibility of the younger generations, etc etc... It's a pain in the ass.
Basically what I want to say is different places spawn vastly different pantheons for difficult reasons to understand if you don't learn their history.

 

[beep_repair]

Or he might just have different sensibility and/or isn't too pressured about being a snob who has to have the most dark horse pick all the times. Good films are still good and worth talking about plentily. In any case, the films people considered "kino" on Internet spaces popular with English speaking youths are not universal kino picks either, all of them are the downstream of the history of media distribution and discourse which is rifed with biases and idiosyncracies of their own times. That history itself has gone through many paradigmatic shifts which obscures those relationships.
Distribution and discourse are highly central too in forming in-country elitist culture. Distribution is dictated by the distributors foothold in a location, local economy, means of circulation, government policies and policing about media, self-policing of parents and communities, cultural sensibility and ideology,... all of them eventually dictate availability and attention. Availability and attention forms the bedrock of a normie-core elitist culture reacts to and also simultaneously spawns nostalgia, elite culture reshapes the sensibility of the younger generations, etc etc... It's a pain in the ass.
Basically what I want to say is different places spawn vastly different pantheons for difficult reasons to understand if you don't learn their history.

Thank you for the thoughtful & interesting response, @K-nine. I agree with everything you say but would describe Kishitani's taste (based on the films featured in How About R15?) in terms of an emerging post-regional or "broadband-comopolitan" sensibility. Such sensibilities are by no means universal, as their cultivation & maintenance requires immersion in an unrestricted international data flow. But where free flow is available, they can become quite widespread, to some degree transcending traditional barriers such as native language and official distribution.

More specifically, I'd say that Kishitani's choices in this series reflect the familiar tastes of centrist, populist, young, male, internet-era cinephiles circa now. There's nothing at all wrong with that. I imagine that Kishitani's recommendations will therefore seem sound & may prove useful to a large group of like-minded readers all around the world. But as a jaded old fuck interested only in what I don't already know, they bore me. Again, though, that's not the author's fault. If any fault exists, it's mine. And I really shouldn't complain, since I like the series for other reasons.

 

[Kaarme]

When you send someone without communication skills to convince a person to allow something they object to, you probably shouldn't expect awesome results. Not that anyone else would have sent the dude to do the job, but you could say he did send himself, as he asked to be allowed to visit Akine's home.

That being said, I still remain hopeful what was said is not the real reason. It wouldn't explain the mom's past behavior, at all.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

That being said, I still remain hopeful what was said is not the real reason. It wouldn't explain the mom's past behavior, at all.

Boy are you in for some serious disappointment...