Ragna Crimson - Ch. 73 - Body, Will, Soul

[zuflis11]

wow. didnt expect this wall of text and that last part. This kinda confirm that Gilzea is Chaotic Neutral, not caring whatever both sides is cooking against each other, and just minding her own business travelling around. Also it seems Gilzea regards crimson as older "sibling", so..Crimson become dragon earlier?

1. Crimson only poses as a girl when he's trying to trick someone, and there is no point in tricking gilzea of his identity

theres also no reason to appear as the Sun Cult Prophet Orgell in front of Gilzea though? he's not in Sun cult business/duty currently, but a personal request from Ragna.

so whatever forms Crimson use, Gilzea will recognize him, I'm sure.

The prison saintess we met before is still technically dead, bros...

yeah, basically she didnt know any conversation they had within the train before the fight

 

[albirew]

something seems off with the carla thats currently with ragna and there is all that talking about the soul

yup, that's how one carla started before becoming the late king of wings...

 

[MerlinD]

I'm glad that prison saint is alive but this chapter got me thinking

 

[UncannyLuck]

The prison saintess we met before is still technically dead, bros...

Technically, but we just met a version of her with all of her memories up until sometime recently before she died so it's not really different from our perspectives.

 

[nomadicengi]

Well that's a bit terrifying. The cult just threw the ethics out the window with this one.

And I guess the imperfections of the clones compared to the original is quite possibly because of genetic instability with the mixture of outside environments. I mean explanation for the will is more like passing of knowledge so the soul in this sense is the emotional experiences and wisdom that can't be replicated.

 

[Lame_Security]

Ragna, the child magnet.

First Leo now Ruoxi. Can't wait for more.

Ragna tries to beat allegation:

Rolls dice

Crimson: "I told you to leave the talk to me"

 

[cgr]

so whatever forms Crimson use, Gilzea will recognize him, I'm sure.

yes, this is obvious.

my point is: Gilzea specifically pointing it out and quipping at Crimson's gender makes it seem like Gilzea thinks of Crimson's true gender as female,
because Gilzea shouldn't expect Crimson to be female when they talk to each other: since Crimson is usually male, and was male when he ditched the Dragon kings

 

[nomadicengi]

Technically, but we just met a version of her with all of her memories up until sometime recently before she died so it's not really different from our perspectives.

Ethically, this is basically a different person and she already confirmed that she is different from the original not only in her capabilities but it seems like also on her personality as well.

People are still in denial but the original is dead. Just accept that someone similar has come around.

 

[UncannyLuck]

Ethically, this is basically a different person and she already confirmed that she is different from the original not only in her capabilities but it seems like also on her personality as well.

People are still in denial but the original is dead. Just accept that someone similar has come around.

Sure the original is dead, but when you're able to clone someone including their memories the line of what's "them" becomes a lot more blurry.

Especially in a story, where it's not much different than bringing her back but weaker. It'd be different if it were an actual successor rather than her clone with her memories.

 

[Maplefield]

Oh lord I have no idea what's going on any more.

keep praying. He makes all things beautiful in His time

 

[nomadicengi]

Sure the original is dead, but when you're able to clone someone including their memories the line of what's "them" becomes a lot more blurry.

It's not that blurry if you give them time to develop and experience other things. If anythings to go by, she is aware that she is an inferior copy and wants to take a different path compared to her original. It's enough proof that she is going to be different from the original.

It's a lot more worse for the Carla clones thou as they are stripped off of their individuality, forced to become disposable pawns and if they were to break off from their mold, they and everyone they know will be wiped off.

 

[ArcanonArg]

Wild prediction: Ragna is gonna die, come back as a clone and will need to find a way to regain Silverine Battle Arts

I think thats why he says the its useless to clone him, i dont think the future ragna memories will be cloned too

 

[00nowhereman]

I read all those wall text... Interesting lore
well atleast prison saintess still alive, kinda

 

[daxrocket]

This chapter only piles more mysteries. So Gilzea and Crimson are technically working with each other ?

Well, both Crimson and Gilzea want to kill the Dragon God, so it makes sense.

yes, this is obvious.

my point is: Gilzea specifically pointing it out and quipping at Crimson's gender makes it seem like Gilzea thinks of Crimson's true gender as female,
because Gilzea shouldn't expect Crimson to be female when they talk to each other: since Crimson is usually male, and was male when he ditched the Dragon kings

It could also be that the last time Crimson and Gilzea met, Crimson was female

 

[Al_Azif]

Technically, but we just met a version of her with all of her memories up until sometime recently before she died so it's not really different from our perspectives.

She is different from the one before, though. She herself mentions it. Even the clones themselves aren't perfect clones, they're more replicas because of all the stuff about the soul.

 

[zuflis11]

yes, this is obvious.

my point is: Gilzea specifically pointing it out and quipping at Crimson's gender makes it seem like Gilzea thinks of Crimson's true gender as female,
because Gilzea shouldn't expect Crimson to be female when they talk to each other: since Crimson is usually male, and was male when he ditched the Dragon kings

nah, i still believe its just a case of their previous meeting being Crimson in Female body. because Crimson female body is not just that one. so Gilzea should expect Crimson in any gender actually, or dont expect anything and just call crimson in whatever form he was in previously
she specifically said "today" after all. so she referred crimson as the older sister for the other day. not necessarily the origin pre dragon

 

[ABC4524]

Looks like my theory here was correct after all. I just wasn't sure why there's only one clone. So it was a matter of personality huh?

 

[RipinRippinGirl]

My current assumptions on what the deal is with Crimson’s gender is that they were born male but Gilzea probably met em while they were female at some point (not an uncommon state of being for Crimson) and got used to calling them her sister.

 

[Dvalkerz]

Last Chapter : Oh look everybody dies

Current Chapter : Well, not really

 

[nomadicengi]

Looks like my theory here was correct after all. I just wasn't sure why there's only one clone. So it was a matter of personality huh?

She did state they were still tweaking the settings for her so it's more likely there are other things that needs to be worked on to reach the desired template of her.