> this could happen if you accidentally go back a chapter to a chapter you didn't read, (so you see the spoiler warning, and go to teh previous chapter instead, but turns out you didn't realize you missed a few chapter, it'll be the same as the current version ofc (because it's on open), but it can happen).
say your progress is at ch.20 and ch.22 is released and you view it and accidentally go back to ch.21 so the reading progress updates to ch.21 even though you only loaded the last page?
as you said this would be an issue with both systems and should be fixed in either case.
> anyways, as for my situation, what is this "moving away from last page", because as far as i know, websites dont track go back inputs, only actual inputs, so "going back from the last page" seems to vague, and if it is on accessing the last page, then we have the situation above.
> another thing: how exactly does this work with longstrip mode, because pages and chapters are weirder with that (using go back in longstrip brings you all the way back outside the reader, something i find really helpful (because of the thing i do), but some weird scrolling can happen, or the last page doesn't register because it's too small (some small credit pages dont get read by the read sometimes), which again, complicates things)
You can detect what is rendered in your browser window which is how this trigger would work.
> one reason i like the current system: because of the lack of mass marking, i can just do next chapter a bunch and it'll mark it all as read.
IIRC this is a goal in the sticky so that shouldn't be an issue for too long (i hope).
> another other thing: some people use the next chapter button to skip credit pages (i did that once or twice with LH translations, because i know they dont have joke pages i might want to read, so easier to click once than 3 times), so how would that work?
Clicking "next" while in a chapter could override the last page trigger and update on "next" as well, or the trigger could be on the 2nd to last page, or 3rd to last page, whatever makes most sense with the broad reading habits of the user base.
> tldr: not worth the effort to implement a check for this last page thing, different things could affect it. and also, I'd say if you opened something, it's considered read, just like how if you open your messenger app, it marks everything as read, even if you didn't start reading yet (like discord, the moment you can't scroll down, it removed the unread, even if i didn't finish reading everything)
If every chapter was a single page i would agree with you.
> I think the arguments being made against this boil down to the fact that viewing the last page is just as an arbitrary trigger for marking a chapter read as viewing the first page.
It's exactly the opposite of arbitrary.
Reading the first page of a chapter is not as indicative of having read said chapter as reading the last page is.
> The internet at large already has a precedent of interacting with something tends to mark it as 'viewed' or 'visited' regardless if such actions where meaningfully done.
> Example 1: I can open a link in a new tab in my browser and then just close that tab. Should that link know that I never actually looked at that tab?
> Example 2: With email as soon as you 'open' it most clients mark it as read, but that doesn't mean you read the entire email. You could have just read the first two lines and decided to deal with it later. Should the email client mark the email as unread because you didn't scroll enough or spend enough time looking at for it to think you read the entire thing?
If every chapter was a single page i would agree with you.
> Name one site that uses a 'last page indicator' or something of the sort. I'll wait.
I really only use Mangadex and scanlator sites but i'll give you other examples.
I would guess Tachiyomi is the most used/relevant mobile viewing portal for manga, and they update on last page.
I'll also give a comparison to video services where something isn't considered watched until you've viewed the entire thing (or like 95% in some cases or w/e). Now i could be wrong but youtube/netflix/plex all save your progress in a video and doesn't mark it as "watched" (see "read") until you've finished the vast majority of said video.
i'm sure HBOmax, disney+, apple, etc, etc, all do something similar.
If you want to argue with their system then go ahead.
"Bookmark progress to jump to left-off point instead of next unread chapter" is also something in the sticky which seems to "remember" where you left off in a chapter and i would assume that would change to my system by default. since it would remember where you stopped reading in a chapter and will not mark it as read. Same system that Tachiyomi and its forks have.
> if i pick up a newspaper and read the headline on the front page; have i read the newspaper?
> how and/or why would this situation ever occur?
You're telling me people don't pick up a newspaper and just read the headline?
should i make it more relevant to today and say:
If i navigate to an article and i read only the headline; have i read the article?
