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A heart-warming adventure.
I really like how the author presents the 2-page stunning style.
Just like Yurucamp, knowingly, visit some places in japan. It comes in handy if you want to go to japan.
I really like how the author presents the 2-page stunning style.
Just like Yurucamp, knowingly, visit some places in japan. It comes in handy if you want to go to japan.
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It's back!
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This manga would be really great, if the girls wouldn‘t be so oversexualized. Totally ruins the adventure feeling imo. With that, the manga is just mediocre.
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@MangaField Really? I think this series does fanservice pretty well, having mild amounts as a condiment without it getting in the way of the plot. If you were to say that the romance aspect is taking away from the adventuring I'd agree with you, so if you prefer the latter over the former I can see how you'd rather do without it.
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I have no problem with the romance, but the fanservice is just stupid. It shouldn‘t exist at all. Yotsuba manages to do without it.
Fanservice is ALWAYS bad. There is not a single manga, where fanservice makes the story better. It‘s just lazy writing/drawing by mangaka, who think they need to cater to 14-year old boys. Anybody older than that and still liking sexualized 2D drawings, is not right in the brain. Sorry but that‘s just the truth.
The manga has a great premise and the color double pages are a nice idea. The romance is solid too. But the fanservice devalues every good aspect of it.
I have no problem with the romance, but the fanservice is just stupid. It shouldn‘t exist at all. Yotsuba manages to do without it.
Fanservice is ALWAYS bad. There is not a single manga, where fanservice makes the story better. It‘s just lazy writing/drawing by mangaka, who think they need to cater to 14-year old boys. Anybody older than that and still liking sexualized 2D drawings, is not right in the brain. Sorry but that‘s just the truth.
The manga has a great premise and the color double pages are a nice idea. The romance is solid too. But the fanservice devalues every good aspect of it.
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Wow, this went from decently mediocre to fucking terrible in one chapter. As soon as I read Ch15, I immediately lost interest in what was going on. The series was already struggling as it was keeping up with all of the characters involved. Adding another on top of that made everything overcrowded. Not to mention, the addition of a ridiculously cliche, bland, and quite frankly offending new character nose dived the quality even worse.
edit: I have better things to do than to argue moral compasses with people when there's a much bigger problem with the story than the fan service.
edit: I have better things to do than to argue moral compasses with people when there's a much bigger problem with the story than the fan service.
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@MangaField As far as I know the majority of people buying ecchi manga/anime away in Japan are adults so I think it's a bit skewed to say that only 14 year-old boys are interesting in it.
In the end, any type of fiction whether it be anime, manga, books, games, dramas etc only exist to simulate emotions for the consumer. To make your characters sexually appealing for your target audience to simulate attraction is clearly a valid way of doing it since a lot of people enjoy it, and it's the customers who decide the supply of fanservice through their demand.
It's fine for you to feel left out and that a large part of the manga consumers have bad taste in the medium and trust me, I feel the same sometimes with wanting to see a lot more series with historically accurate settings. But to say that they're not right in the head for not enjoying manga in the same way as you and that authors should sell less and cater more to your personal interests for no real reason is a poor point to argue from. I mean I don't read most shoujo stuff (and yaoi not at all) but I think it's fine for the stuff to be popular since there apparently is a large part of the manga community who likes it.
TL;DR let people enjoy what they enjoy and if you want the medium to change according to your preferences, support the series you like by voting with your wallet.
In the end, any type of fiction whether it be anime, manga, books, games, dramas etc only exist to simulate emotions for the consumer. To make your characters sexually appealing for your target audience to simulate attraction is clearly a valid way of doing it since a lot of people enjoy it, and it's the customers who decide the supply of fanservice through their demand.
It's fine for you to feel left out and that a large part of the manga consumers have bad taste in the medium and trust me, I feel the same sometimes with wanting to see a lot more series with historically accurate settings. But to say that they're not right in the head for not enjoying manga in the same way as you and that authors should sell less and cater more to your personal interests for no real reason is a poor point to argue from. I mean I don't read most shoujo stuff (and yaoi not at all) but I think it's fine for the stuff to be popular since there apparently is a large part of the manga community who likes it.
TL;DR let people enjoy what they enjoy and if you want the medium to change according to your preferences, support the series you like by voting with your wallet.
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You think it is normal for adult people to get horny for a 2D girl (most of them clearly underage)? Because I can guarentee you it is not. Japan has a huge problem with pedophilia and pervertness in general. But in the west, normal people don‘t look at something like that. That‘s why manga-fans are seen as weird losers. Rightly, I think, though it pains me since I like manga too.
Yaoi involves sex/sexualized character. That‘s the whole point of this genre. I mean, you wouldn‘t watch porn just to complain that there is sex, would you?
But in this manga, the genre is adventure and a little romance. There is absolutely no need to sexualize the characters, ESPECIALLY since they are underage AND very oblivious to the sexual aspect (you see, I have absolutely no problem with nudity and sex in manga, IF it is integral to the story - like Sundome e.g., very good manga).
The fanservice here serves no purpose in the story, it is just there because the mangaka is too insecure about his work as it is, without needing to add cheap „entertainment“. And no, this isn‘t in every medium. This kind of fanservice is unique to Japan. I guarentee you, that a western author would NOT have sexualized the characters like this.
And yes, I know that people like it. That‘s why I‘m so mad. People are horny, stupid idiots. That‘s why we get so much shit in manga. Then again, it makes the real gems that much more worthwhile. I just thought, Saguri would be one of them....
Yaoi involves sex/sexualized character. That‘s the whole point of this genre. I mean, you wouldn‘t watch porn just to complain that there is sex, would you?
But in this manga, the genre is adventure and a little romance. There is absolutely no need to sexualize the characters, ESPECIALLY since they are underage AND very oblivious to the sexual aspect (you see, I have absolutely no problem with nudity and sex in manga, IF it is integral to the story - like Sundome e.g., very good manga).
The fanservice here serves no purpose in the story, it is just there because the mangaka is too insecure about his work as it is, without needing to add cheap „entertainment“. And no, this isn‘t in every medium. This kind of fanservice is unique to Japan. I guarentee you, that a western author would NOT have sexualized the characters like this.
And yes, I know that people like it. That‘s why I‘m so mad. People are horny, stupid idiots. That‘s why we get so much shit in manga. Then again, it makes the real gems that much more worthwhile. I just thought, Saguri would be one of them....
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@MangaField Certainly you are new to anime. It's just fiction. You can't argue against that.
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1. this a site about manga. I HATE anime. So I‘m not new to any anime.
2. do you expect me to take you serious with this avatar? You are coping.
3. read articles about pedophiles, who went on to rape children. Many started with 2D girls. Until it wasn‘t enough anymore and they needed more.... real girls. And no, I am not saying everyone who watches sexualized cartoon children is automatically a pedophile, but you ARE sharing that trait with probably all pedophiles. I would pause a moment and think about that, if I were you.
1. this a site about manga. I HATE anime. So I‘m not new to any anime.
2. do you expect me to take you serious with this avatar? You are coping.
3. read articles about pedophiles, who went on to rape children. Many started with 2D girls. Until it wasn‘t enough anymore and they needed more.... real girls. And no, I am not saying everyone who watches sexualized cartoon children is automatically a pedophile, but you ARE sharing that trait with probably all pedophiles. I would pause a moment and think about that, if I were you.
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Hurray! I found a new person to debate against! \(^o^)/ I'm gonna have fun since you're so serious about this.
Alright, @MangaField.
Alright, lemme break it down.
Meet three men: Mr. Jade, Mr. Max, and Mr. Moris.
They are all black men who commited man-slaughter in 1999, 2004, and 2018 respectively. Does this mean that all black men are evil? Obviously not. Replace commit man-slaughter with pedophilia as well as black men with liking 2D girls and all of the sudden this unjust discrimination become very clear.
Tell me, who is really at fault? The user or the tool? Or in this case, the weeb or the waifus?
Also, I don't get it. Why use loli fanarts when you can access illegal child porn on the dark web? The former is obviously fine. The latter, however, well we all get it already.
And now, your second point.
Kay. Aside from the memes, your statement is a classic case of "correlation does not equal causation". Except, you're the one getting this wrong.
You see a bunch of people liking brocoli. You think that they are vegetarians because you don't see any meat on their plate. You become froends with them. Eventually, you both went to a restaurant to which your new friends ordered vegetable pizza with pineapples on top - along with a side of steamed chicken.
You see where I'm getting at here? Just because a bunch of pedophiles follow this pattern doesn't mean all pedophiles do. Since I do not want to taint my search history, I shall leave the research to you. And especially comparing normal loli-fans to pedophiles; your inner workings of logic is flawed.
Never mind, I just have to repeat my second point - "correlation does not equal to causation".
And that's the end of my argument. Looking forward to your reply
Alright, @MangaField.
So that's your opinion. Okay then, not gonna argue against opinions. However, I do feel like I need to point out that manga and anime communities are both in the otaku culture so a lot of things are going to overlap for obvious reasons.
Leave Khaos-chan out of this
Gotta be honest with you - out of the three points you represent, this is the only one valid to this debate. You gotta work on ypur arguing skills.
Alright, lemme break it down.
Let me represent an extreme example.
Meet three men: Mr. Jade, Mr. Max, and Mr. Moris.
They are all black men who commited man-slaughter in 1999, 2004, and 2018 respectively. Does this mean that all black men are evil? Obviously not. Replace commit man-slaughter with pedophilia as well as black men with liking 2D girls and all of the sudden this unjust discrimination become very clear.
Tell me, who is really at fault? The user or the tool? Or in this case, the weeb or the waifus?
Also, I don't get it. Why use loli fanarts when you can access illegal child porn on the dark web? The former is obviously fine. The latter, however, well we all get it already.
And now, your second point.
WHAT IS THIS HERESY?!! 2D IS OVIOUSLY BETTER THAN 3D!!!!!
Kay. Aside from the memes, your statement is a classic case of "correlation does not equal causation". Except, you're the one getting this wrong.
You see a bunch of people liking brocoli. You think that they are vegetarians because you don't see any meat on their plate. You become froends with them. Eventually, you both went to a restaurant to which your new friends ordered vegetable pizza with pineapples on top - along with a side of steamed chicken.
You see where I'm getting at here? Just because a bunch of pedophiles follow this pattern doesn't mean all pedophiles do. Since I do not want to taint my search history, I shall leave the research to you. And especially comparing normal loli-fans to pedophiles; your inner workings of logic is flawed.
Oh, it looks like I didn't have to explain my first point after a-
...
Never mind, I just have to repeat my second point - "correlation does not equal to causation".
And that's the end of my argument. Looking forward to your reply
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You talk about correlation and causation, which have nothing to do with my comment. I also didn‘t understand your black men example at all. That analogy was so awful, lol.
I‘m just saying that if almost every member of a certain group (pedophiles) do a specific, non-generic thing (watching „loli“ porn) and you do it too, it‘s time to reevaluate why you are doing this.
Show 100 random people on the street sexualized children and ask them what they think about people who watch this and jerk off to it. I guarentee you that 99 people will say they are sick weirdos (in best case) or they should be stopped and imprisoned before they assualt real children (in worst case).
You know that this is true. Or do you disagree?
You talk about correlation and causation, which have nothing to do with my comment. I also didn‘t understand your black men example at all. That analogy was so awful, lol.
I‘m just saying that if almost every member of a certain group (pedophiles) do a specific, non-generic thing (watching „loli“ porn) and you do it too, it‘s time to reevaluate why you are doing this.
Show 100 random people on the street sexualized children and ask them what they think about people who watch this and jerk off to it. I guarentee you that 99 people will say they are sick weirdos (in best case) or they should be stopped and imprisoned before they assualt real children (in worst case).
You know that this is true. Or do you disagree?
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@MangaField Finally you're responding like it's a real debate~
The correlation is that normal weebs and pedophiles like lolis. The causation are lewd lolis. Normal weebs and pedos may share a similar hobby but that doesn't make otakus immidietely a pedophile, like you said,
If both a serial killer and I likes chocolate-flavoured ice cream does that mean that I should reevaluate why I like chocolate-flavoured ice creams?
If an explosive engineering student is interested by the same bombs as a suicide bomber, does that mean the explosive student should reevaluate their career?
If a weeb down the street likes Rem and some guy raped a woman cosplaying as her, does that mean that the person should hate Rem just because she's related to a rapist?
Same case, "it's the fault of the user and not the tool" but in this case the user is some unfortunate otakus who got compared to a pedophile for liking lolis because of their cuteness.
I'm gonna take a quote from here: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-wrong-for-me-to-be-a-lolicon
Go to Akihabara where a lot of people are otakus and I'd say 99, if not 100, say liking lolis is okay. Go to a random street in New York and it entirely depends on if they're part of the fandom. Your scenario is as likely as my scenarios in terms of statistics.
Now replace that 2D loli with real 3D child porn, and I'm pretty sure (hopefully) that 100/100 people will be disgusted by you regardless of location. Actually, no. Let me bump that up to 1 billion/1billion.
Fiction and reality are two different things. I saw a case back then where a teen stole a car inspired by GTAV. Let me ask you a question - does that mean that Rockstar Games should pull back all their copies to prevent any kids from being idiots? I say no! But if you are that guy who say yes, let me ask you: you see two kids fighting because one of them cause the other's ice cream to fall. Is the ice cream at fault or the children? Should all ice cream be banned to reduce conflict? Sooner or later all hobbies will be banned if that's such the case. Everything will eventually come to conflict somehow.
Please don't reply with "I don't feel like that's right" if that is your opinion. Please only do so when you represent facts to counter my argument.
Um, what? The point of the debate is to shoot down your opponent's arguments and convince them why you are right. Why are you acting on the dumb side and assumed my argument is wrong? That's not how it works.
The correlation is that normal weebs and pedophiles like lolis. The causation are lewd lolis. Normal weebs and pedos may share a similar hobby but that doesn't make otakus immidietely a pedophile, like you said,
You pointed out an example of "correlation does not equal to causation" in your first point so you're really contradicting yourself here.
So what?
If both a serial killer and I likes chocolate-flavoured ice cream does that mean that I should reevaluate why I like chocolate-flavoured ice creams?
If an explosive engineering student is interested by the same bombs as a suicide bomber, does that mean the explosive student should reevaluate their career?
If a weeb down the street likes Rem and some guy raped a woman cosplaying as her, does that mean that the person should hate Rem just because she's related to a rapist?
Same case, "it's the fault of the user and not the tool" but in this case the user is some unfortunate otakus who got compared to a pedophile for liking lolis because of their cuteness.
I'm gonna take a quote from here: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-wrong-for-me-to-be-a-lolicon
Someone agrees with me.
I'd say it depends on context.
Go to Akihabara where a lot of people are otakus and I'd say 99, if not 100, say liking lolis is okay. Go to a random street in New York and it entirely depends on if they're part of the fandom. Your scenario is as likely as my scenarios in terms of statistics.
Now replace that 2D loli with real 3D child porn, and I'm pretty sure (hopefully) that 100/100 people will be disgusted by you regardless of location. Actually, no. Let me bump that up to 1 billion/1billion.
Fiction and reality are two different things. I saw a case back then where a teen stole a car inspired by GTAV. Let me ask you a question - does that mean that Rockstar Games should pull back all their copies to prevent any kids from being idiots? I say no! But if you are that guy who say yes, let me ask you: you see two kids fighting because one of them cause the other's ice cream to fall. Is the ice cream at fault or the children? Should all ice cream be banned to reduce conflict? Sooner or later all hobbies will be banned if that's such the case. Everything will eventually come to conflict somehow.
Please don't reply with "I don't feel like that's right" if that is your opinion. Please only do so when you represent facts to counter my argument.
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God your arguments are very, very weak. (sorry I don‘t know how to quote on mobil, so I just go through each of your „arguments“ chronically.)
1. What are you on about with the causation-thing? ?
I never said „liking loli porn“ leads to „being a pedophile“. That would be causation and I never said that, I never contradicted myself. What are you talking about, man? ?
I didn’t say that you should stop watching cartoon child porn, I am just saying that you might want to take a look at the reasons why you are doing this, if this activity is shared by a significant portion of pedophiles.
2. I wrote NON-generic thing. Liking ice-cream is generic. Liking bombs is generic for a student in explosive engineering.
Are you deliberatly misunderstanding me?
Liking loli porn is NOT generic for any human, including manga and anime fans. I am a manga fan and am disgusted by it, so go figure.
3. the quote is shit. And Quora is shit. It‘s populated by Indians talking out of their asses. This quote is stupid and no backed by actual scientific evidence. AND like I already said - not every „lolicon“ is a pedophile!!!! How often should I mention that until you get it.
4. you can‘t ask sick lolicons whether lolicons are sick or not ???
I was obviously talking about 100 people who don‘t know manga/anime. I think that was clear... we are talking about normal people.
5. you know that fiction vs. reality piece is the first one that resembles an argument. And yet, it fails once again. Violent videogames DO worsen violence-tendency of people IF they are already aggressive to begin with. Meaning, that a person who has interest in young girls (like you - why else would you even begin to seek out sexualized cartoon children?) will possibly get even more lust for young children, mabye resulting in actual child porn or worse.
Also, where did I write that sexualized children cartoons should be banned? I am just saying that mangaka should stop doing that, because it destroys any story (that‘s why I even wrote under the Saguri manga to begin with) and the nice side effect would be, that you sick fucks stop watching young children in sexual positions. (I just have to show this last sentence to every person on earth and 99,9999% of them would want to cut off your penis).
God your arguments are very, very weak. (sorry I don‘t know how to quote on mobil, so I just go through each of your „arguments“ chronically.)
1. What are you on about with the causation-thing? ?
I never said „liking loli porn“ leads to „being a pedophile“. That would be causation and I never said that, I never contradicted myself. What are you talking about, man? ?
I didn’t say that you should stop watching cartoon child porn, I am just saying that you might want to take a look at the reasons why you are doing this, if this activity is shared by a significant portion of pedophiles.
2. I wrote NON-generic thing. Liking ice-cream is generic. Liking bombs is generic for a student in explosive engineering.
Are you deliberatly misunderstanding me?
Liking loli porn is NOT generic for any human, including manga and anime fans. I am a manga fan and am disgusted by it, so go figure.
3. the quote is shit. And Quora is shit. It‘s populated by Indians talking out of their asses. This quote is stupid and no backed by actual scientific evidence. AND like I already said - not every „lolicon“ is a pedophile!!!! How often should I mention that until you get it.
4. you can‘t ask sick lolicons whether lolicons are sick or not ???
I was obviously talking about 100 people who don‘t know manga/anime. I think that was clear... we are talking about normal people.
5. you know that fiction vs. reality piece is the first one that resembles an argument. And yet, it fails once again. Violent videogames DO worsen violence-tendency of people IF they are already aggressive to begin with. Meaning, that a person who has interest in young girls (like you - why else would you even begin to seek out sexualized cartoon children?) will possibly get even more lust for young children, mabye resulting in actual child porn or worse.
Also, where did I write that sexualized children cartoons should be banned? I am just saying that mangaka should stop doing that, because it destroys any story (that‘s why I even wrote under the Saguri manga to begin with) and the nice side effect would be, that you sick fucks stop watching young children in sexual positions. (I just have to show this last sentence to every person on earth and 99,9999% of them would want to cut off your penis).
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@MangaField You're not really fun to debate with :/
Well, since I have my pride as an debater I'm going to go on.
Also, I have a feeling that you don't know what this quote means so here's what I got from google.
Talking about logical fallacies, you are committing the Hasty Generalization fallacy in which you make assumptions based on proofless constructs. You are also committing the Circular Argument fallacy where you just repeat what you said before instead of presenting new points to your argument. Don't say that these are bs. These logical fallacies are used by professional debaters. Look it up.
And you keep on telling me that "not every lolicon is a pedophile". Yeah, I agree. Correlation dos not equal to causation. Why do you think that I disagree with you on that? What I'm saying is that since not every lolicon is a pedo, then liking loli lewds are 100% okay as long as they don't move on to real kids.
1. You see lolis on anime
2. You see a bunch of loli lewds (which can come from curiosity; you are committing the Black-and-White fallacy, I'll explain that later)
3. You need to be messed up enough to move from 2D to 3D
4. You also need to be messed up enough to act irl instead of on the internet.
5. You need to get caught.
Now you see how improbable this is? What's more probable? Easy.
1. You like lolis because they're cute.
Here's an extreme example.
Either the pyramid is built by hand or by aliens.
Either random chance made humans or God.
Either the Earth is flat or hollow. (It's round.)
For the first two, the pyramid could be built by tools to make the job easier and humans could come from evolution.
Why should sexualized children be banned? They ruin the story? Then why does hentai exist? Why does Eromanga-sensei, OreImo, etc were made? If they ruin the story, obviously everyone won't be fans of it, right? WRONG. People could watch these things because: they like the art, their favourite voice actor(tress)(s) could be voicing a character, they read the manga or the LN and just wanna see the anime, they could watch it to make memes out of it.
Oh, and they could just watch it for the porn.
And...
Plus, I didn't respond to your second point because it's purely idiotic.
Liking children is generic only to pedophiles.
Liking ice cream is non-generic to people on a strict diet.
If you are specifying the demographic, that attribute is no longer generic but rather specific - synonymous to "non-generic". I advice you to look things up you aren't sure with.
Well, since I have my pride as an debater I'm going to go on.
And when did I claim that you did?
Seriously?
Does this not sound like "correlation does not equal to causation"?
Also, I have a feeling that you don't know what this quote means so here's what I got from google.
Talking about logical fallacies, you are committing the Hasty Generalization fallacy in which you make assumptions based on proofless constructs. You are also committing the Circular Argument fallacy where you just repeat what you said before instead of presenting new points to your argument. Don't say that these are bs. These logical fallacies are used by professional debaters. Look it up.
What is your source? Why is Quora full of Indians? Are you calling Indians dumb? It's not backed by scientific evidence? What science? Do you have any way to disprove what Quora contains?
And you keep on telling me that "not every lolicon is a pedophile". Yeah, I agree. Correlation dos not equal to causation. Why do you think that I disagree with you on that? What I'm saying is that since not every lolicon is a pedo, then liking loli lewds are 100% okay as long as they don't move on to real kids.
Oh alright then. So what evidence do you have that 99/100 people will be disgusted by you? Your guts? Yeah, I need, as you say, scientific evidence. Go down a street and get a large sample size, obviously larger than 100, so that you have statistical proof. Don't want to? Too lazy? No time for that? Well too bad, your argument is no longer valid due to lack of evidence. Don't claim points without evidential proof.
Give me proof.
Let me introduce you to a new logical fallacy, the Slipery Slope fallacy. Where you take plenty of small steps to conclude to a very improbable conclusion.
1. You see lolis on anime
2. You see a bunch of loli lewds (which can come from curiosity; you are committing the Black-and-White fallacy, I'll explain that later)
3. You need to be messed up enough to move from 2D to 3D
4. You also need to be messed up enough to act irl instead of on the internet.
5. You need to get caught.
Now you see how improbable this is? What's more probable? Easy.
1. You like lolis because they're cute.
And now here's the fallacy that I said before. The Black-and-White fallacy is where you assume that there are only two options.
Here's an extreme example.
Either the pyramid is built by hand or by aliens.
Either random chance made humans or God.
Either the Earth is flat or hollow. (It's round.)
For the first two, the pyramid could be built by tools to make the job easier and humans could come from evolution.
Why should sexualized children be banned? They ruin the story? Then why does hentai exist? Why does Eromanga-sensei, OreImo, etc were made? If they ruin the story, obviously everyone won't be fans of it, right? WRONG. People could watch these things because: they like the art, their favourite voice actor(tress)(s) could be voicing a character, they read the manga or the LN and just wanna see the anime, they could watch it to make memes out of it.
Oh, and they could just watch it for the porn.
And...
Give me proof. Gut-feeling is insufficient for obvious reasons.
Plus, I didn't respond to your second point because it's purely idiotic.
Oh okay. In that case...
Liking children is generic only to pedophiles.
Liking ice cream is non-generic to people on a strict diet.
If you are specifying the demographic, that attribute is no longer generic but rather specific - synonymous to "non-generic". I advice you to look things up you aren't sure with.
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@DANDAN_THE_DANDAN
Ok, I‘m honest: I‘m pretty drunk right now and really don‘t want to continue this conversation. I admire your endurance though ?
Anyway, facts are:
1. liking sexualized children (and even jerking off to them) is wrong by any measurement, so... get help, buddy.
2. the manga Saguri-chan could have been a second Yotsuba, but it fails, mainly because of the sexualization. That‘s why the manga is ultimately shit and why the mangaka should take notes from the Yotsuba-mangaka on how to create an actual masterpiece.
Nuff said. Have a nice day. I hope you join us normal people and leave the dark world of pedophiles behind you. ?
Ok, I‘m honest: I‘m pretty drunk right now and really don‘t want to continue this conversation. I admire your endurance though ?
Anyway, facts are:
1. liking sexualized children (and even jerking off to them) is wrong by any measurement, so... get help, buddy.
2. the manga Saguri-chan could have been a second Yotsuba, but it fails, mainly because of the sexualization. That‘s why the manga is ultimately shit and why the mangaka should take notes from the Yotsuba-mangaka on how to create an actual masterpiece.
Nuff said. Have a nice day. I hope you join us normal people and leave the dark world of pedophiles behind you. ?
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Wat? Neckbeards are the lolicons, so the exact opposite of me. I didn‘t respond to the other guy, because he defends jerking off to children. And his arguments are incredibly weak. I already said everything there is to say. That‘s like debating with Hitler whether jews need to be eradicated or not. I mean... why do you even need to discuss this? The answer is so clear to every normal person. ?
Wat? Neckbeards are the lolicons, so the exact opposite of me. I didn‘t respond to the other guy, because he defends jerking off to children. And his arguments are incredibly weak. I already said everything there is to say. That‘s like debating with Hitler whether jews need to be eradicated or not. I mean... why do you even need to discuss this? The answer is so clear to every normal person. ?
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