Sasha-chan to Classmate Otaku-kun - Vol. 3 Ch. 39 - My Treasure.

[SrNevik]

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That’s for sure. I’m not quite sure what qualifies as a happy ending to Hagu as this entire series has been unconventional in relation to a standard rom com. And even then, that happy ending that Hagu envisioned might not necessarily be a happy ending for the reader (although I find that difficult to believe given that he is self-aware of how the story looks to the reader from his last update at the bottom of chapter 72).

I’ve forgotten about that promise with Master with the whole bf/gf stuff and that make me happy in term of the whole exclusivity stuff but I can also see your point in seeing Master adapt. This manga really does feel like a “experience the journey with a fixed destination” as we know they’re getting a happy ending. It’s just a matter of how big the waves are during said trip.

"How big the waves are and if you are comfortable with the destination." My honest expectation is it ends with them dating but being very open sexually, with Master being Sasha's ultimate "master," and love. I personally don't see this ending in a typical way.

Hagu is very aware of the audience's concerns, which is why he constantly reassures readers and clarifies that this isn't and never will be an NTR story and also that it'll have a happy ending. I hadn't seen his Twitter comment, but it's not surprising. It feels like he is worried about losing people, so he goes out of his way to make the direction clear.

For instance, he clarifies that the Fantia content is separate from the "Master Route" and that fans of the series should disregard it. This series is intended to be "sweeter" than the alternate routes. That's why he divides the Master Route onto Fanbox and everything else onto Fantia. The Fanbox exclusively features sweet Master/Sasha content, though he plans to add spicier material this year. Even so, he’s already warned fans and is working to separate it for those who prefer just the romantic fluff. So even there he is cautious.

 

[CinnamonPebble]

"How big the waves are and if you are comfortable with the destination." My honest expectation is it ends with them dating but being very open sexually, with Master being Sasha's ultimate "master," and love. I personally don't see this ending in a typical way.

You're right that Hagu is very aware of the audience's worries, which is why he constantly reassures people and clarifies that this is not an NTR story, etc. I didn't even know he had made that Twitter comment but that's in line with what he does. He bends over backward to make it clear what direction this will take.

It feels like he is worried about losing people, so he is very clear about things and tries to set expectations well. For example, he makes sure people understand that his Fantia stuff is not part of this "Master Route," and that if they are fans of this series they should ignore that other stuff. This series is meant to be "sweeter" than the other alternate route stuff. That's why he separates the Master route to Fanbox and everything else to Fantia etc. The Fanbox has nothing but sweet Master/Sasha stuff, although he plans to add some spicy stuff next year.

I’m actually starting to consider that Sasha might be as close to a daughter as a drawing can be for Hagu, disregarding the degeneracy.

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He’s been drawing Sasha collectively for 11 years and that about matches the actual age of Sasha in all of his works. Perhaps the “retcon” that occurred in the earlier chapters to tie this series to the rest of the sashaverse was Hagu’s attempts of actually seeing Sasha have a proper ending. Through all the doujinshis, routes, and artwork, and the sexual relations of other characters, maybe it was Hagu’s intention that yea she’s gone through this but she’ll have a happy story with someone close to her (because the theme of her lack of an emotional support pillar REALLY plays a part in her promiscuity).

In any case, that does put it in a happier perspective.

 

[SrNevik]

I’m actually starting to consider that Sasha might be as close to a daughter as a drawing can be for Hagu, disregarding the degeneracy.

Spoiler

He’s been drawing Sasha collectively for 11 years and that about matches the actual age of Sasha in all of his works. Perhaps the “retcon” that occurred in the earlier chapters to tie this series to the rest of the sashaverse was Hagu’s attempts of actually seeing Sasha have a proper ending. Through all the doujinshis, routes, and artwork, and the sexual relations of other characters, maybe it was Hagu’s intention that yea she’s gone through this but she’ll have a happy story with someone close to her (because the theme of her lack of an emotional support pillar REALLY plays a part in her promiscuity).

In any case, that does put it in a happier perspective.

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Possible but also Hagu does not seem to view the series as having any "shifts" like commenters are suggesting. I don't think he views it that way but maybe I am forgetting. The only time he mentioned a shift was these recent chapters 71 and 72 because he wanted to explain to readers why Sasha is being more upfront with her sexuality and how that is a result of her growing feelings for and closeness with Master. I believe that has always been the point of "shifts."

Sasha also does not have bad endings really. Even in the most degenerate of stories, she is nearly always depicted as in control and happy. She will role-play during rough sex but outside of it, she's mostly shown as a confident person who leads people around and gets off on it. That's its own issue, of course, considering the context, but she's nearly always been a character Hagu clearly likes and wants happy. I will have to bow out for now though. I have talked about this series WAY too much. Nice chatting with you! It's nice having a chill back and forth.

 

[CinnamonPebble]

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Possible but also Hagu does not seem to view the series as having any "shifts" like commenters are suggesting. I don't think he views it that way but maybe I am forgetting. The only time he mentioned a shift was these recent chapters 71 and 72 because he wanted to explain to readers why Sasha is being more upfront with her sexuality and how that is a result of her growing feelings for and closeness with Master. I believe that has always been the point of "shifts."

Sasha also does not have bad endings really. Even in the most degenerate of stories, she is nearly always depicted as in control and happy. She will role-play during rough sex but outside of it, she's mostly shown as a confident person who leads people around and gets off on it. That's its own issue, of course, considering the context, but she's nearly always been a character Hagu clearly likes and wants happy. I will have to bow out for now though. I have talked about this series WAY too much. Nice chatting with you! It's nice having a chill back and forth.

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I believe he’s mentioned a shift in one of his posts in October. With each sexual milestone (e.g., showing master the sex tapes she has, the threesome now), Hagu has addressed that each instance was a matter of Sasha getting closer to Master.

The shift I was referring to was one where Hagu made it abundantly clear that (without a shadow of a doubt for the reader since before chapter 30 you can still many people coping that it was outside of the sashaverse) that this Sasha is tied to a lot of his other works.

And while Sasha may not have had any bad endings, it is tough to say that she’s had a definitive “good” ending. It’s mostly sex with little emotional development after all. I would consider this series to be the one that adds a dot at the end of this relationship with the largest emotional support pillar.

And no worries! I’ve been trying to digest the chapter and potential routes for the manga. It allows me to look at a different perspective and adjust my expectations for the to-be couple since I truly do like their relationship outside of the sexual matters.

When Hagu posts a new chapter, I’d hope to see you then and maybe we’ll talk about it some more. Until next time!

 

[Ensashapedia]

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She didn't stop looking for more, she said she wasn't looking to add to her circle for the moment when Sanada-senpai asked to be her sex friend again. She stopped seeing him as much because, besides being bored with him, he was so pushy, which is what led her to flee her apartment to get away from him in Chapters 30-33.

She'd totally add more if she felt like it. She just didn't. Especially not him.

Spoiler

Sanada senpai is not who she's talking about in chapters 30-33. It's chapter 0 senpai. In chapters 30-33 she talks about how she doesn't like this senpai but she enjoys sex with him, and that he doesn't want a girlfriend. Contrast that with Sanada who did want to be her boyfriend, she rejected him and she said sex with him was boring.

 

[Thorgrin]

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Sanada senpai is not who she's talking about in chapters 30-33. It's chapter 0 senpai. In chapters 30-33 she talks about how she doesn't like this senpai but she enjoys sex with him, and that he doesn't want a girlfriend. Contrast that with Sanada who did want to be her boyfriend, she rejected him and she said sex with him was boring.

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First: There's Chapter 36, where they're literally talking about it being the School Senpai.

Second: There's Chapter 37.5, where MC gets jealous of the only guy that's been introduced as Senpai in the entire manga so far.

Third: You literally posted a picture of how he's pushy on LIME (Where the messages came in in the Chapter) and she doesn't like it. Clearly this came earlier on in the series.

Fourth: In chapter 69, Sasha looks Sanada-senpai in the windows of his SOUL and tells him she doesn't have much fun having sex with him.

(right to left)

BONUS: Chapter 30.5's Senpai doesn't pester her for sex in the doujins.

 

[Ensashapedia]

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First: There's Chapter 36, where they're literally talking about it being the School Senpai.

Second: There's Chapter 37.5, where MC gets jealous of the only guy that's been introduced as Senpai in the entire manga so far.

Third: You literally posted a picture of how he's pushy on LIME (Where the messages came in in the Chapter) and she doesn't like it. Clearly this came earlier on in the series.

Fourth: In chapter 69, Sasha looks Sanada-senpai in the windows of his SOUL and tells him she doesn't have much fun having sex with him.

(right to left)

BONUS: Chapter 30.5's Senpai doesn't pester her for sex in the doujins.

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You're contradicting yourself or you're purposefully misreading things to reinforce your head canon. 30.5 senpai is a 16 year old high school guy and senior to ShiSho, Aoi and Sasha. We don't know if he goes to their school or not. Maybe he's just at the dance club, maybe he's their direct senior too. shrug

The third guy pictured in the info graphic doesn't line up with Sanada or 30.5 senpai. Look at all his works. I've never seen Hagu radically redesign a character before. Whoever that senpai is, we haven't met him.

Again with the doujins... which A: aren't really canon, and B: don't really show much besides sex. Though he does seem like a pushy bully to me.

Also narratively why show 30.5 senpai, and follow it up with the chapters we got? Why not just show Sanada in the flashback?
You can't say lack of planning as Hagu always has several chapters planned as he's going.

I can't help but feel Sanada would mention being blown off the other night when she ran way.

And obviously. senpai she ran from doesn't want to date. Sanada does.

 

[Thorgrin]

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You're contradicting yourself or you're purposefully misreading things to reinforce your head canon. 30.5 senpai is a 16 year old high school guy and senior to ShiSho, Aoi and Sasha. We don't know if he goes to their school or not. Maybe he's just at the dance club, maybe he's their direct senior too. shrug

The third guy pictured in the info graphic doesn't line up with Sanada or 30.5 senpai. Look at all his works. I've never seen Hagu radically redesign a character before. Whoever that senpai is, we haven't met him.

Again with the doujins... which A: aren't really canon, and B: don't really show much besides sex. Though he does seem like a pushy bully to me.

Also narratively why show 30.5 senpai, and follow it up with the chapters we got? Why not just show Sanada in the flashback?
You can't say lack of planning as Hagu always has several chapters planned as he's going.

I can't help but feel Sanada would mention being blown off the other night when she ran way.

And obviously. senpai she ran from doesn't want to date. Sanada does.

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30.5 Senpai doesn't go to their school. He literally can't be Senpai to anyone but Sasha because they literally don't go to the same places. "Senpai" isn't someone that's older than you, it's someone that's been in some organization longer than you. He's been at the dance school longer, so he's Sasha's Senpai.

Chapter 30.5 was written and drawn after chapters 30-33 were already done. It's literally just a bonus that's thrown in after the main story was decided.

The third guy in the image is Sanada.

The doujins are canon. In fact, now that Sasha's confirmed to be sending sex vids of herself to dad in the series, I'm convinced the timelines are identical, except that some events are surgically removed. The timeline without Futoshi, for example, stays exactly the same, except any day she's with Futoshi, she's with another man instead.

Dance School Senpai's whole thing is that he's an irresistible Sex God to Sasha. He doesn't need to push because, like your own image, and 427804 both state, Sasha literally can't turn him down. And he doesn't care to push, because she's one of many sex friends to him. He records himself having sex with her "for when they can't meet up", and she doesn’t even dare to look at them, lest she wants him again. In fact, the way describes the sex in the video in Chapter 66 is the exact same way she describes sex with him in 427804. Almost word for word. So that video was probably of Dance School Senpai. Which also explains why they were shocked: It's just THAT intense.

Hagu didn't show our current Senpai because the point wasn't to show her with the current Senpai. The point of the bonus was to establish that the Sasha doujins are all canon in the universe: To loudly proclaim that this is still HIS Sasha. Because he literally refuses to allow her to deviate from what he's had her be this whole time. It's the same reason he refuses to admit anything she does is wrong, and that she needs to become a better person.

Maybe Sanada would mention getting blown off, but that would involve implying Sasha might not be immediately forgiven for everything she does. She clearly just smoothed things over after the days (weeks?) between 33 and 37.5.

Also, Sanada doesn’t want to date. Not now, and not ever. His attempt to get closer to Sasha later on is just a ploy to isolate her from everyone, then dump her when she turns to him and asks him out as her last source of comfort in life. Step 1 was to get in her good graces, and step 2 (which he tried enacting in Chapter 72) was to scare the MC off somehow or ruin their relationship. The next part was to spread the videos he had just been shown in class so that everyone hates her.

 

[henman]

Wow. I finally started to wholeheartedly respect our little master now. Not only he turned the tables on his bullies, he destroyed them in most thorough way. He is a living legend.
Also, looks like this girl was with him in elementary. And he invited her to mac some chapters ago. It'd be nice if they can consider each other as friends.

I am telling you for your own good. Drop this. It just gets worse. It's still not caught up to the raws, which is at chapter 71 right now.

Spoiler: ch71 spoiler.

All the more reason to continue. Not because any of us love NTR or NTRS, but on the opposite

 

[Ensashapedia]

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30.5 Senpai doesn't go to their school. He literally can't be Senpai to anyone but Sasha because they literally don't go to the same places. "Senpai" isn't someone that's older than you, it's someone that's been in some organization longer than you. He's been at the dance school longer, so he's Sasha's Senpai.

Chapter 30.5 was written and drawn after chapters 30-33 were already done. It's literally just a bonus that's thrown in after the main story was decided.

The third guy in the image is Sanada.

The doujins are canon. In fact, now that Sasha's confirmed to be sending sex vids of herself to dad in the series, I'm convinced the timelines are identical, except that some events are surgically removed. The timeline without Futoshi, for example, stays exactly the same, except any day she's with Futoshi, she's with another man instead.

Dance School Senpai's whole thing is that he's an irresistible Sex God to Sasha. He doesn't need to push because, like your own image, and 427804 both state, Sasha literally can't turn him down. And he doesn't care to push, because she's one of many sex friends to him. He records himself having sex with her "for when they can't meet up", and she doesn’t even dare to look at them, lest she wants him again. In fact, the way describes the sex in the video in Chapter 66 is the exact same way she describes sex with him in 427804. Almost word for word. So that video was probably of Dance School Senpai. Which also explains why they were shocked: It's just THAT intense.

Hagu didn't show our current Senpai because the point wasn't to show her with the current Senpai. The point of the bonus was to establish that the Sasha doujins are all canon in the universe: To loudly proclaim that this is still HIS Sasha. Because he literally refuses to allow her to deviate from what he's had her be this whole time. It's the same reason he refuses to admit anything she does is wrong, and that she needs to become a better person.

Maybe Sanada would mention getting blown off, but that would involve implying Sasha might not be immediately forgiven for everything she does. She clearly just smoothed things over after the days (weeks?) between 33 and 37.5.

Also, Sanada doesn’t want to date. Not now, and not ever. His attempt to get closer to Sasha later on is just a ploy to isolate her from everyone, then dump her when she turns to him and asks him out as her last source of comfort in life. Step 1 was to get in her good graces, and step 2 (which he tried enacting in Chapter 72) was to scare the MC off somehow or ruin their relationship. The next part was to spread the videos he had just been shown in class so that everyone hates her.

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I still don't agree with you about which Senpai she was running from, but I am actually 100% reversing my opinion on the canon of the doujins. After carefully reading all the dialogue in them and not just beating my dick to the contents. It's very clear she's exactly the same character in the doujins and manga minus meeting Futoshi. That being said, knowing what I know now. I can confidently say that the Pachikasu doujin is not canon to the manga. The character may be, but not that doujin.

 

[Thorgrin]

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I still don't agree with you about which Senpai she was running from, but I am actually 100% reversing my opinion on the canon of the doujins. After carefully reading all the dialogue in them and not just beating my dick to the contents. It's very clear she's exactly the same character in the doujins and manga minus meeting Futoshi. That being said, knowing what I know now. I can confidently say that the Pachikasu doujin is not canon to the manga. The character may be, but not that doujin.

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First off, let me welcome you to the dark side. It's not fun, but Hagu really went out of his way to try writing his porn OC into a regular romcom and pretend that this is wholesome.

Next up, I wish you luck trying to get Hagu to stop cuming to the upcoming incest NTR arc long enough to answer. That said, if it ends up being Dance School Senpai, I think you'd understand why I thought otherwise, and why I feel like it's a retcon.

Finally, I'd like to ask why you think this doujin in particular isn't canon.

 

[Ensashapedia]

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First off, let me welcome you to the dark side. It's not fun, but Hagu really went out of his way to try writing his porn OC into a regular romcom and pretend that this is wholesome.

Next up, I wish you luck trying to get Hagu to stop cuming to the upcoming incest NTR arc long enough to answer. That said, if it ends up being Dance School Senpai, I think you'd understand why I thought otherwise, and why I feel like it's a retcon.

Finally, I'd like to ask why you think this doujin in particular isn't canon.

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Ugh, yeah. I wouldn't be pestering him so much about that one question, but once 72 drops I'm probably deleting these socials. So there's a time crunch. As for the doujin, 2 reasons. Since the serialization things that happen contemporary to the manga goes on the Fanbox. Futoshi stuff and IFs go to the Fantia. He broke from that with that latest doujin, but I think the simplest answer for that one is he just wanted to promote it harder since it was his largest doujin in a little while(and ComiKet). Aside from that I think it signals he's comfortable enough now to post things on the Fanbox that show her in situations not involving ShiSho.

Second reason, is that it happens when she's in school, so has to be ShiSho route. I figure it's just an IF route and he didn't feel the need to label it so because most followers know already. Us western fans are pretty new on the scene for him. At least in these numbers.

I have a feeling you won't agree, but that's my take.

 

[Thorgrin]

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Ugh, yeah. I wouldn't be pestering him so much about that one question, but once 72 drops I'm probably deleting these socials. So there's a time crunch. As for the doujin, 2 reasons. Since the serialization things that happen contemporary to the manga goes on the Fanbox. Futoshi stuff and IFs go to the Fantia. He broke from that with that latest doujin, but I think the simplest answer for that one is he just wanted to promote it harder since it was his largest doujin in a little while(and ComiKet). Aside from that I think it signals he's comfortable enough now to post things on the Fanbox that show her in situations not involving ShiSho.

Second reason, is that it happens when she's in school, so has to be ShiSho route. I figure it's just an IF route and he didn't feel the need to label it so because most followers know already. Us western fans are pretty new on the scene for him. At least in these numbers.

I have a feeling you won't agree, but that's my take.

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So cope, basically. You insist only the fanbox content is canon (Except for this last one for... reasons...) when he's already linked the story to the rest from all the other sources. He very clearly labels chapters as "IF" chapters because he doesn't want those to be canon. The reason being that he considers it "NTR" if Sasha thinks of another man as her emotional favorite, so he doesn't want them to "count"... since she ends up choosing another man as her favorite. Which goes against his "happy ending" plans.

I don't think there's much point in continuing on by text if you're so dead set on pretending like Hagu isn't keeping Sasha as the same slut she's been for over a decade because it's uncomfortable for you.

 

[Ensashapedia]

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So cope, basically. You insist only the fanbox content is canon (Except for this last one for... reasons...) when he's already linked the story to the rest from all the other sources. He very clearly labels chapters as "IF" chapters because he doesn't want those to be canon. The reason being that he considers it "NTR" if Sasha thinks of another man as her emotional favorite, so he doesn't want them to "count"... since she ends up choosing another man as her favorite. Which goes against his "happy ending" plans.

I don't think there's much point in continuing on by text if you're so dead set on pretending like Hagu isn't keeping Sasha as the same slut she's been for over a decade because it's uncomfortable for you.

"cope cope cope" No need to insult me. None of this upsets or makes me uncomfortable.

 

[arcosapphire]

This isn't NTR because it's not NTR.

Thanks for being a voice of sanity. Chapters ago, people were screaming that the story would become irredeemable in chapter 30, unrecognizable from what it was before and full of nothing but pain and disappointment. Instead...it was basically one small plot point that allowed for some character development, and things continue as usual.

I don't know if it's just that most of the people who spend their time commenting in a manga site comment section have some serious issues and cannot handle the thought of a female character being anything but a paragon of traditional Christian values, or what. But the story has been fine, the character interactions have remained fun and engaging. And this has remained a pretty unique work, which is a pretty key thing.

 

[SrNevik]

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Ugh, yeah. I wouldn't be pestering him so much about that one question, but once 72 drops I'm probably deleting these socials. So there's a time crunch. As for the doujin, 2 reasons. Since the serialization things that happen contemporary to the manga goes on the Fanbox. Futoshi stuff and IFs go to the Fantia. He broke from that with that latest doujin, but I think the simplest answer for that one is he just wanted to promote it harder since it was his largest doujin in a little while(and ComiKet). Aside from that I think it signals he's comfortable enough now to post things on the Fanbox that show her in situations not involving ShiSho.

Second reason, is that it happens when she's in school, so has to be ShiSho route. I figure it's just an IF route and he didn't feel the need to label it so because most followers know already. Us western fans are pretty new on the scene for him. At least in these numbers.

I have a feeling you won't agree, but that's my take.

Chapter 73 roughs came out and it is really chill. Check it out on his Fanbox. Reinforces what I thought of 71 and 72 and how it affected Sasha and Master--which I expected.

Spoiler: Brief Summary of 73

Master was very excited and took a few days off school to draw ecchi manga, inspired by a flood of new ideas. Sasha's friends chided her about the threesome, claiming Master couldn't handle it. Sasha disagreed, insisting he was happy and disliked their suggestion that he was weak. To check up on him, she visited him at home, where he eagerly showcased all the ecchi manga he had created as a result of the 3some. Sasha then had a talk with his older brother about Master and how much better he suddenly got (since meeting Sasha, essentially).

Do you still plan on deleting everything? I've also asked him a few questions and he'll get back to me, so I could clarify some stuff eventually.

 

[Ensashapedia]

Chapter 73 roughs came out and it is really chill. Check it out on his Fanbox. Reinforces what I thought of 71 and 72 and how it affected Sasha and Master--which I expected.

Spoiler: Brief Summary of 73

Master was very excited and took a few days off school to draw ecchi manga, inspired by a flood of new ideas. Sasha's friends chided her about the threesome, claiming Master couldn't handle it. Sasha disagreed, insisting he was happy and disliked their suggestion that he was weak. To check up on him, she visited him at home, where he eagerly showcased all the ecchi manga he had created as a result of the 3some. Sasha then had a talk with his older brother about Master and how much better he suddenly got (since meeting Sasha, essentially).

Do you still plan on deleting everything? I've also asked him a few questions and he'll get back to me, so I could clarify some stuff eventually.

Yeah I'll be bouncing on outta here. I just find it all gross. It's already occupied too much of my time and thoughts. Gotta move on, and drop it. Things are only going to get more gross as she finds more ways to provoke ShiSho, too. So yeah, fuck that. Hagu also doesn't seem keen on answering people's questions about the story or events, and I don't wanna exhaust the poor guy. Like I said in another post somewhere. I don't want to abuse the access we have to him.

 

[SrNevik]

Yeah I'll be bouncing on outta here. I just find it all gross. It's already occupied too much of my time and thoughts. Gotta move on, and drop it. Things are only going to get more gross as she finds more ways to provoke ShiSho, too. So yeah, fuck that. Hagu also doesn't seem keen on answering people's questions about the story or events, and I don't wanna exhaust the poor guy. Like I said in another post somewhere. I don't want to abuse the access we have to him.

He's been chill but yeah. Good talking to you.