Seichou Cheat de Nandemo Dekiru you ni Natta ga, Mushoku dake wa Yamerarenai you desu - Ch. 90

[ziethe]

Even after reading the novel, this is too sad, but guys, keep in mind that she gave him something 🫠

 

[Gigikiki]

Yeah sorry I dont feel it. This is the second time in the story when MC just cums out all his magic at once and thus he jeopardizes everything and puts everyone in danger because the story needs tension. This time with super sekrit dragon shout power sprinkled on top. I bet that he will learn nothing from this experience either.

I read this mainly for the SoL parts, but the fact that MC is constantly gamed by everybody around him is getting really tiresome (didn't read the wn, but its obvious ever since the whole muh too weak to join talk that this entire expedition was a set up). Anybody knows a harem story where mc isnt only overpowered but also competent?

 

[AntonSolo]

This has been pretty well foreshadowed that she more than accepts her coming death, and doesn't really believe in the repair plan. It's boring if everything always works out for the MC, even if it's a cheat isekai. It keeps things interesting and progresses character development.

The real complaint should be if she survives, which is much more likely for this genre.

Wait a minute.. that thing she put in His pocket...

Oh Frak, Did she pull a Spock and transfer her Katra before she went "Kaboom!" ???

 

[kaminomikan]

:'c
so, will it be the same or a new one with the old memories?

ps: where is the spoiler clan?

 

[maverag]

i logged in just to say SCREW THE AUTHOR ON THIS ONE. that was not a death that was needed. i am normaly all for deaths of chars as that is reality and often leads to better world building but i just dont see the point to this one.

 

[Erbakhan]

NOOOOOOOO NOT SHEENA
WHYYYYY

 

[spauldo]

Ten bucks says her new body has an older appearance and she becomes yet another harem member.

 

[Godc0re]

Well this is a good place to drop it. If a few more chapters come out I'll just skim through to check if they Deus Ex her back, but it doesn't look like that's the plan. Even with the totally-not-a-memory-card she gave him.

 

[Roriipupper]

FUCK

 

[Hydranium123]

It's a terrible day for rain

 

[Giga]

Thanks for the chapter, Silas.

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This has been pretty well foreshadowed that she more than accepts her coming death, and doesn't really believe in the repair plan. It's boring if everything always works out for the MC, even if it's a cheat isekai. It keeps things interesting and progresses character development.

The real complaint should be if she survives, which is much more likely for this genre.

To be totally frank, I don't really care if Sheena dies; I've been totally detached from her character from the moment she showed up--which can be said of a number of the new residents of Ichinojou's World, including a certain old one. However, I do disagree with--as I long have--with the idea of likable character death to build gravitas or force weeping. I've seen it happen so many times in stories, and each time it was only to make people wax emotional--and each time was an assertion of a concept I've emphatically repudiated for as long as I can remember: that a story only has value if it's miserable, bears some kind of misery, or is otherwise negative.

Things already haven't worked out perfectly for Ichinojou, but he's been able to overcome his obstacles nevertheless. I don't see a problem with this, and it's telling that many people (I am not referring to you, mind) today only see quality in an MC who not only struggles constantly, but loses or is placed in a losing position frequently. There is surely a difference between an MC boringly given constant, effortless victory by the author and an MC who always wins--but works to do so.

Sheena's death doesn't bring anything at all to the story, just darkness and grief. It was set up well enough, but I don't remember anything that necessitated her self-sacrifice. Her death is, as of this chapter and as far as I know, pointless, and her staying dead would accordingly be meaningless. Therefore, if Sheena survives, I would not mind it.

 

[spauldo]

To be totally frank, I don't really care if Sheena dies; I've been totally detached from her character from the moment she showed up--which can be said of a number of the new residents of Ichinojou's World, including a certain old one. However, I do disagree with--as I long have--with the idea of likable character death to build gravitas or force weeping. I've seen it happen so many times in stories, and each time it was only to make people wax emotional--and each time was an assertion of a concept I've emphatically repudiated for as long as I can remember: that a story only has value if it's miserable, bears some kind of misery, or is otherwise negative.

I agree, but I have seen it done well and to good effect. But it's something that needs to have a strong impact, not just "oh hey, that character's dead now." If you're going to kill off an ally, it either needs to be one that's completely unimportant ("grunt #3 didn't make it") or one that has a strong effect on the protagonists ("you killed my wife, you bastard!").

The best example I can think of in manga is sora no otoshimono. Outside of manga, the Dresden Files series has done it multiple times and the story is better for it. And Harry Potter, of course.

 

[Giga]

I agree, but I have seen it done well and to good effect. But it's something that needs to have a strong impact, not just "oh hey, that character's dead now." If you're going to kill off an ally, it either needs to be one that's completely unimportant ("grunt #3 didn't make it") or one that has a strong effect on the protagonists ("you killed my wife, you bastard!").

Perhaps it's personal bias that makes me say this, but I've seen it happening for a long time--and I don't remember a single time it contributed to a story's enjoyment value or its overall quality. My oldest memory was in Transformers: The Movie. I mean the one from '86--if you know about TF, you know what I'm referring to--and all that did was traumatize me, as a kid. lol Not that it stuck with me like a trauma would (i.e., it didn't affect my perception of other instances of such death), but I still noticed the aforementioned concept. Think of this: later on, I came across a certain someone dying in one of the Digimon anime; turned out that that particular Digimon is infamous for dying just as the subject of the TF reference is--to the point jokes are made about it (and yes, even Megatron mocked Optimus Primal about this habit of his peers in Beast Wars). Both of them were a testament to what I said: death for gravitas repeatedly, because the people writing--and the people watching/reading--think that a story's only got quality if it can make them emote negatively.

To me, at best, it's just a story element--it's not a good or bad one. At worst, it's the cheap trick I described.

The best example I can think of in manga is sora no otoshimono. Outside of manga, the Dresden Files series has done it multiple times and the story is better for it. And Harry Potter, of course.

That spoiler is one hell of a reminder. lol I don't know what in it you're referring to, but I do intend to reread that manga at some point--it's one of my favorites.

Also, Astraea = best angeloid, even if a little dumb.

 

[spauldo]

Perhaps it's personal bias that makes me say this, but I've seen it happening for a long time--and I don't remember a single time it contributed to a story's enjoyment value or its overall quality. My oldest memory was in Transformers: The Movie. I mean the one from '86--if you know about TF, you know what I'm referring to--and all that did was traumatize me, as a kid. lol Not that it stuck with me like a trauma would (i.e., it didn't affect my perception of other instances of such death), but I still noticed the aforementioned concept. Think of this: later on, I came across a certain someone dying in one of the Digimon anime; turned out that that particular Digimon is infamous for dying just as the subject of the TF reference is--to the point jokes are made about it (and yes, even Megatron mocked Optimus Primal about this habit of his peers in Beast Wars). Both of them were a testament to what I said: death for gravitas repeatedly, because the people writing--and the people watching/reading--think that a story's only got quality if it can make them emote negatively.

To me, at best, it's just a story element--it's not a good or bad one. At worst, it's the cheap trick I described.

Agreed on Transformers. Strangely enough, even though I'm the right age, loved the show, and owned several of the toys, I never saw the movie. But I heard about it and yeah, you're 100% right that it was a cheap trick.

That spoiler is one hell of a reminder. lol I don't know what in it you're referring to, but I do intend to reread that manga at some point--it's one of my favorites.

Also, Astraea = best angeloid, even if a little dumb.

I'm talking about the leadup to the final confrontation. When you reread, check the chapter comments and you'll see what I mean. Also, you're totally right about Astraea.

Unlike those spoilers above, the spoiler below is serious - don't look at it if you haven't read the Dresden Files and plan to someday, because it'll totally spoil book 12 and everything after that. If you haven't read up to the book Battle Ground and think you might some day, seriously don't read this.

Spoiler

The main character is forced into a situation where he has to literally sacrifice (like, with a knife, on an altar) a woman he loves who is the mother of his child. (Not as cringey as it sounds - really. She tricked him into it with the express purpose of being killed, and her reasoning makes perfect sense in the context of her character. He only follows through because their daughter is literally seconds away from being killed.) At the beginning of the book, he doesn't even know he has a daughter. He spends the next few books racked with guilt over the ordeal, it affects his personality and choices, and he's afraid to even meet his daughter because of it.

The event causes extreme disruption in the supernatural community (imagine the geopolitical ramifications of the US or China just ceasing to exist all of a sudden) and eventually results in a war that reveals magic to the world.

The Dresden Files starts out with a wizard/private investigator tracking down individual bad guys. Other than being a wizard, the main character is basically a nobody with some talent and a couple friends in high places. Now he's the focus of the largest historical event in modern history. He has to make several very hard decisions just to stay alive and protect the people he cares about. No one has plot armor (except the main character, arguably, since he literally returns from the dead at one point) and very bad things occasionally happen to characters you're emotionally invested in.

The result is a book series where the tension is real. Normally when you read a book and the good guys get into a bind, you don't worry too much because you know they'll make it out. In the Dresden Files, that's not always the case. Sometimes the good guys lose, sometimes they die, and sometimes even worse.

 

[Giga]

Agreed on Transformers. Strangely enough, even though I'm the right age, loved the show, and owned several of the toys, I never saw the movie. But I heard about it and yeah, you're 100% right that it was a cheap trick.

One of my biggest regrets in my life so far is that I got all of the Aerialbots except Silverbolt.

Unlike those spoilers above, the spoiler below is serious - don't look at it if you haven't read the Dresden Files and plan to someday, because it'll totally spoil book 12 and everything after that. If you haven't read up to the book Battle Ground and think you might some day, seriously don't read this.

I won't, then--I've heard of The Dresden Files, but never actually took interest. I read that he's got some good beginnings (The Han Solo Adventures--the Star Wars I grew up reading and loving lived by and died with the Expanded Universe, sacrificed for nuWars) and influences (Tolkien and C.S. Lewis), so I may give his work a shot.

 

[spauldo]

I may give his work a shot.

I highly recommend it. It's my favorite series about a wizard named Harry, and that's saying something. It starts out pretty decent but really gets into its stride around book 4 or so. James Marsters reads the audiobooks and does a fantastic job. There's a bunch of short stories scattered about in various anthologies that are worth tracking down as well.

Jim Butcher has apparently got the whole story mapped out and there's maybe six or seven books left to go. His Codex Alera series is pretty decent if you're into Roman-inspired fantasy, and his newest series has a really cool steampunk-style setting. He's only in his 50s so hopefully he won't pull a Roger Zelazny on us.

If you've read Kim Harrison's Hollows series, the Dresden Files is kinda like that, but with less romance and more property damage. It's not really that similar to Charlaine Harris' Southern Vampire series (the much less pornographic source books for the HBO series True Blood), but I imagine if you read that and enjoyed it you'll also like the Dresden Files.