Seijo ni Uso wa Tsuujinai - Ch. 22 - The Truth of the Apostle Candidate

[MangaDex]

 

[Elhao]

I dislike that Ines and Erald (and Monique, though it's easier to forgive her, since she didn't know about Cloe trying to solve the murder) had deliberately been keeping secrets from Chloe that made solving the crime harder for her and now put Erald in danger just to create some climax for the finale.

P.s. I retract the statement regarding Monique. Ciro/Laz had been around them nearly the entire time and listened in on everything, so we can assume that Monique was sufficiently informed as well.

 

[Tds-PdV]

I kinda wish we have gotten a bit more world building before we get to this point.

For instance, while Zoe is the culprit and did most things herself, she must have people who back her from her faction and we don’t know much about them other than they are from an opposing faction.

And it has been implied multiple times that this selection process is an extension of political plays and factions clashing, yet we don’t know much about it or the major players (people involved).
Now, that way makes it stay true to the “mystery” of the case as we only follow Chloe’s PoV.
However, having some things from Erald’s PoV for instance would make us aware more of the talks in the background and what is at stake ultimately.

 

[Lamasis]

I'm really annoyed by this chapter.

 

[Knighto]

I'm really annoyed by this chapter.

for just being a pile of info dump? or using all the chapter to explain to the detail what we should have gotten from the previous chapters adding the new clues, like losing a little of the detective aspect.

They subtle imply Ciro being the squirell to next chapter just straight out putting it there hahaha

 

[Lamasis]

for just being a pile of info dump? or using all the chapter to explain to the detail what we should have gotten from the previous chapters adding the new clues, like losing a little of the detective aspect.

They subtle imply Ciro being the squirell to next chapter just straight out putting it there hahaha

Yes

 

[Kamui]

This "deduction" is so unnatural that I can't believe no editor called the author out for it. Chloe decided "Zoe is the culprit" and then invents a way for that to be true. Granted, this is the same stunt they pull in Kusuriya, but on that series the "mysteries" are not the central plot of the story.

 

[Liar]

I think we all called it that Ciro was in the squirrel, lol.

 

[outinthegardener]

It's normal for the "big reveal" in mysteries to have everything explained by the detective. Usually after the crime has been foiled. Or even better, during! Before feels like hitting the brakes before the climax.

 

[BobBob]

I can't believe that Saber is sexist...

 

[Prominis]

This "deduction" is so unnatural that I can't believe no editor called the author out for it. Chloe decided "Zoe is the culprit" and then invents a way for that to be true. Granted, this is the same stunt they pull in Kusuriya, but on that series the "mysteries" are not the central plot of the story.

They introduced the bangle with a limited number of gift nullifications at the start of the story.

 

[beThereShortly]

I like how everything is starting to line up together...
But the revelation that not only was Ciro a male but Erald has powers too... Is a bit too far of a stretch for me. Oh well, it's a minor "issue".
Thank you so much for the chapter!

 

[Kamui]

They introduced the bangle with a limited number of gift nullifications at the start of the story.

That's like the only thing it wasn't an issue. Chloe made so many jumps and "adjudgments" to her "theory" that it might as well be all a delusion from her.

Granted, I'm not saying this isn't the "truth" or the "whole truth". This author has a knack for making their mysteries unsolvable by just reading the story. This is never an issue in Kusuriya because that's not the point for that story. For this one, though, is a big deal because it has nothing going on for it beyond the mystery at its center.

 

[testro]

That's like the only thing it wasn't an issue. Chloe made so many jumps and "adjudgments" to her "theory" that it might as well be all a delusion from her.

Granted, I'm not saying this isn't the "truth" or the "whole truth". This author has a knack for making their mysteries unsolvable by just reading the story. This is never an issue in Kusuriya because that's not the point for that story. For this one, though, is a big deal because it has nothing going on for it beyond the mystery at its center.

I'd argue the reason why it works in Kusuriya is that it relies on real world knowledge that the reader can be expected to have. One recent example is the Shrine of Choosing, where a lot of readers and watchers managed to figure out the trick before Maomao because we're all familiar with the idea of Red-Green color blindness. The story only introduces the idea when Maomao solves the mystery, but it's something the readers can be expected to know. Essentially, the story leaves out a key bit and expects the reader to be able to figure that out the same way Maomao does: by having a wide breadth of general knowledge.

Here though, the problem is a lot of unfounded assumptions. The idea that Zoe's gift allows her to manipulate minds is well founded. But all the details, all the ideas that Zoe has been working on it for a long time or that she's made herself into Salome's confidant are basically complete guesswork with little hard backing. All it does is set up that Zoe could have done it but not why only Zoe could have done it.

 

[Kamui]

I'd argue the reason why it works in Kusuriya is that it relies on real world knowledge that the reader can be expected to have. One recent example is the Shrine of Choosing, where a lot of readers and watchers managed to figure out the trick before Maomao because we're all familiar with the idea of Red-Green color blindness. The story only introduces the idea when Maomao solves the mystery, but it's something the readers can be expected to know. Essentially, the story leaves out a key bit and expects the reader to be able to figure that out the same way Maomao does: by having wide breadth of general knowledge.

Here though, the problem is a lot of unfounded assumptions. The idea that Zoe's gift allows her to manipulate minds is well founded. But all the details, all the ideas that Zoe has been working on it for a long time or that she's made herself into Salome's confidant are basically complete guesswork with little hard backing. All it does is set up that Zoe could have done it but not why only Zoe could have done it.

Thank you for articulating the point I was trying to make in a more concise way I ever could!

 

[Grye]

HOLY SHIT

 

[Mekiaa]

I think the denoument was fine here. A bit loosey goosey but ultimately fine. The primary literary device of the story seems to be red herrings and playing off assumptions. The key themes are about assumption and deceptive appearances.

One of the themes of the story is the disparity between rich and poor. The disparity between what the poor and the rich know about the apostles/saintesses drives a lot of the conflict.

Everyone makes assumptions. Our protag is blinded by her assumptions too. The poor make assumptions about the rich. The rich makes assumptions about the poor. The whole festival was a series of assumptions. Everyone (including the audience) assumes that that the common information everyone knows is accurate.

I suspect all the mystery around Ciro's gender is not as mysterious in Japanese which allows for more gender neutral language.

Edit: Erald's gifted abilities had always been hinted at. He's immune to Salome's curse. We, the audience, assume that its a magic tool. His immunity can only be the product of being gay or his gift reflecting the effects of her curse. Which is how Zoe would know that he's gifted.