Sekai Saikyou no Assassin, Isekai Kizoku ni Tensei Suru - Vol. 1 Ch. 1.2

[Jeikob]

That Goddesses design grew on me, I think. I quite like it now. Kind of bad personality aside, anyway.

 

[AbuHajaar]

Goddess mindbreak doujin when

 

[gaigous]

@Viridios So he just needs to have a higher amount of mana than the hero when touching them, if a touch is all it takes to gain complete control of someone the speed/stealth of an assassin would mesh very well with such a skill, and why the hell would he need to enslave anyone as a baby/kid in that household?

 

[aFFi]

@nfzeta

Welp, the author already broke his setting. It was specifically said that unlike the hero he'll have human limits. So immediately giving him a limit removal defeats the whole point of him needing to be an assassin. The hyper regeneration also doesn't make sense given the level the hero is supposed to be. If you ever take damage from that kind of hero you're going to die, either immediately from a one hit K.O or you'll no longer be able to escape anyway and still die.

I think the hero is actually born with incredible stats. Even if he trains, he would pretty much be near his cap from the beginning.
The MC will have to train to get results. He just chose to not gamble on the abilities and limits of his new body, but it means that maybe he'll be able to increase his stealth to ludicrous levels, so that he can strike the hero from the shadows, which would allow him time to run if it fails, and he would actually be able to run pretty much forever.
This choice probably won't let him challenge the hero face to face, but it should give him the tiniest possibility to actually accomplish his goal.

The one choice I agree with is the chant weaving but they should have just made that spell weaving, because you can't be chanting anywhere near the all-powerful hero. The versatility though would allow him to come up with unique spells that could slip through or around the Hero's defences and senses for an assassination attempt.

Again, he could preemptively chant to become invisible or to poison a blade or something like that.
It could even let him set up traps and glyph to sap the hero's strength or kill his companions.

With his past experience, those choices are good I think.
What I don't understand is the hand-to-hand combat one... He should actually never be in a position to fight face-to-face with anyone. He should strike first from the shadows, and if it fails, he should run, not stay his ground and fight.

Well, we'll see what the author will use those skills, but it has the potential to not be completely dumb.

 

[nfzeta]

@aFFi No its said that the hero surpasses human limits, something the MC wasn't supposed to be able to do. Hence the need to choose an assassin because he'll never be as strong as the hero. If he has no limits then its not that he can't be as strong but just that it would take a lot of effort to get there. Also the stealth didn't have anything to do with the stats of his human body.

Using stealth to kill the hero is supposed to be the focus, hence why I gave the chant weaving a pass, its just I would have preferred a chantless option.

What I don't understand is the hand-to-hand combat one... He should actually never be in a position to fight face-to-face with anyone. He should strike first from the shadows, and if it fails, he should run, not stay his ground and fight.

This is the same reason I didn't agree with the hyper regeneration as a method to use against the hero. He shouldn't be ever fighting the hero and taking damage so fast regen shouldn't matter and something else could work. The only real benefit it would have had if the author didn't break his own setting is speeding up his growth but with his 16 year head start that shouldn't have been that much of a problem either as he's born in a well off assassin family who would probably have means to facilitate fast training.
However with the whole 'you have to abide by human limits' thing out of the way he can in fact fight face-to-face with anyone but the hero and there the hyper regen and hand to hand combat would be useful but he was obviously supposed to be picking these skills to help him with the hero and not just the mob enemies.

 

[nfzeta]

@Invader_Retro That would defeat the point though wouldn't it. As an assassin and a top class one he could probably deal with a lot of the other enemies without a specialised class and its the hero that he needed to specialise for.

 

[Panzer590]

need rule34 on that goddess

 

[gaigous]

@Panzer590 I agree completely, get on it internet!

 

[Invader_Retro]

@nfzeta Did you not see what mc said?
He chose skills that could make him grow faster and be flexible...
He will never be as strong as the hero, all skills have a rank and he chose a set to benefit him with the skills he already has or will want to learn.

 

[Viridios]

So he just needs to have a higher amount of mana than the hero when touching them

@gaigous The Hero breaks the limits imposed on the world, from which our protagonist is not exempt, and I'd assume his mana would as well.

So he just needs to have a higher amount of mana than the hero when touching them, if a touch is all it takes to gain complete control of someone the speed/stealth of an assassin would mesh very well with such a skill

I meant it would bolster his combat capability against the hero in infinitesimal amounts. The hero is his main goal, and small fry he could enslave would barely distract the hero.

and why the hell would he need to enslave anyone as a baby/kid in that household?

He didn't know he would be in a nice household like that, and having a skill that you can't train at all with and has very limited use (as in variety of uses) and does not assist in anything but its one specific goal while the Hero gets stronger and stronger would not be ideal.

 

[endo54]

chant weaving explanation seemed to say it can be used to make a brand new magic, chantless or not

 

[womangadex]

I LOVE THIS dEcisive smart MC who is ALPHA AND NOT A BETA VIRGIN LOSER. Cool story

 

[gaigous]

@Viridios

The Hero breaks the limits imposed on the world, from which our protagonist is not exempt, and I'd assume his mana would as well.

If the Hero has 200 mana but uses 100 of it, and the MC can raise his maximum mana to 101, he would meet the qualification of having superior mana, how that would be accomplished is up to him.

I meant it would bolster his combat capability against the hero in infinitesimal amounts. The hero is his main goal, and small fry he could enslave would barely distract the hero.

You misunderstand me, he would enslave the hero with a touch at the right moment and order him to commit suicide. Enslaving some of the hero's loved ones, holding them hostage, demanding the hero expend his mana, and tricking them into being touched is another method. If he did gather an army, it certainly wouldn't be one made up of redshirts.

He didn't know he would be in a nice household like that, and having a skill that you can't train at all with and has very limited use (as in variety of uses) and does not assist in anything but its one specific goal while the Hero gets stronger and stronger would not be ideal.

Yes, he did, he asked to be born into an affluent family and the goddess told him she had it covered and that he would be born in the household of that worlds best assassins as the next heir of the family head. He would obviously change the ABC skill to support his chosen method, and he was earth's greatest assassin, so he would never be a one trick pony, especially not in a world of magic.

 

[plsnobully]

I want to fuck God

 

[MaTu94]

The second he got Hyper Regen I thought about "The Wrong Way to use Healing Magic" but instantly considered the limit the goddess talked about, then he showed his B rank skill and I was like "What's this BS? Did the Goddess forgot this massive plot hole?" Now, if we're rational (coherent, realist, objective, dunno which term is adequate) hard work won't necessarily be as effective as being the Hero and it's perfectly possible that they have such differing growth factors that it doesn't matter if both are able to exceed human limits when one evolves exponentially and the other arithmetically. . . That if we consider the Hero is lazier that MC, if he isn't then what's the point at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[nfzeta]

@Invader_Retro
I don't think you're getting it. He chose skills that would augment him in a 'balanced' way while not only being an assassin but also being in a situation where he should be purely doubling down on his strengths.

What the MC says isn't always right.

 

[nfzeta]

@gaigous

If the Hero has 200 mana but uses 100 of it, and the MC can raise his maximum mana to 101, he would meet the qualification of having superior mana, how that would be accomplished is up to him.

That would probably be a highly unlikely scenario but then again the author has already broken the whole human limits thing so if he just focused on mana and speed such a situation could appear. Especially since he's being born before the demon king is even defeated so he could technically just be there the moment the hero wins and is exhausted, touch him, and there we go, its over.
Honestly from the time the author didn't abide by the human growth limits restriction he could have picked any of the S class powers and it would work out.

 

[Invader_Retro]

@nfzeta He wants to be versatile to handle any situation plus its the explanation on who skills work in this world he can't be wrong.
What skills should he have then if you think he chose wrong?🤔

 

[gaigous]

@nfzeta I was thinking he would be weakened after the fight with the DK as well, great minds think alike~

If the Hero has party members helping them the MC could just sneak up and tap them all with his finger, he'd have superpowered pawns with emotional value to the hero for added leverage.

Isekai adaptations are so littered with tropes, at this point, I just assume if an author wants something to happen they just have to find a way to write it without violating canon.

 

[Liver]

the most alluring goddess