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@vodkavodka So much this, it would be way more interesting and sexy than what we usually get.
Sekai Saikyou no Assassin, Isekai Kizoku ni Tensei Suru - Vol. 1 Ch. 1.2
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hmmm, well, I'll mention what I've found in the first couple of chapters in the web novel about how he uses his skills. I don't know what impression you'll get from it but it seems to make sense to me.
That's just what I've seen from the first 8 chapters.
hmmm, well, I'll mention what I've found in the first couple of chapters in the web novel about how he uses his skills. I don't know what impression you'll get from it but it seems to make sense to me.
This story works a lot like No Fatigue does except that the mc is chosen for having a relevant skill set to deal with the guy they're hunting down rather than just some random guy that was killed by them in the previous world. So his super recovery skill works like that: he recovers mana, stamina, and heals wounds really fast. This lets him increase his mana amount rapidly by using it till its exhausted. This gives him the mana he needs to make good use of chant weaving. He learns from his cousin (I think she's the white haired girl on the cover) how the spell system works and it's syllabary and they research together how the sentence structure changes the spells. The earth spells so far generate metal using atomic weight, melting points, etc. to define which metal. So he figures out how to generate higher grade metals and alloys and how to manage combustion with fire magic. This lets him create sniper rifles and tank turrents on the fly but the cost of generating these things and firing them is pretty steep. His cousin has an exceptional amount of mana but can't manage the turrent at all. He can only generate this, fire, and reload over and over because of the amount of mana he got from his training. Guns didn't exist in this world yet so there isn't a skill that specifically supports their use. Even after all this, he still isn't confident he could take out the hero as the hero came in with an exceptional amount of power, 5 S rank skills and 25 A rank, and has gained more skills since. More so, channeling mana throughout your body increases strength, speed and durability and a certain amount of your mana is constantly being channeled, making people with high mana naturally physically stronger than those without. He comes to the conclusion that the hero would likely shrug off his current sniping and bombardments so he's looking to improve them further and develop alternative methods.
That's just what I've seen from the first 8 chapters.
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Meridis Things like that are exactly what I mean he has nothing to specifically amp his assassin skills and therefore is just relying on A-rank and below skills to somehow provide him with the answer. This is versus a hero who not only is supposed to advance faster than him but also has WAY more skills of the same and higher power level. In fact he first needs to find out what skills and powers the hero has to fine tune his methods because just creating new stuff will work on the usual enemy but it doesn't seem like it would or should work on the hero given his setting.
The stronger the author makes the MC's A-rank ability (altering spells which would then alter the very makeup of natural materials down to an atomic level) the more overpowered the hero should theoretically be so it should be less about firepower and more about the hero's weakness and the MC finding and exploiting that, like an assassin should.
The stronger the author makes the MC's A-rank ability (altering spells which would then alter the very makeup of natural materials down to an atomic level) the more overpowered the hero should theoretically be so it should be less about firepower and more about the hero's weakness and the MC finding and exploiting that, like an assassin should.
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@Invader_Retro Again, you make no sense. Even if the hero has weaknesses, if he's as strong as the setting makes him out to be you need specialised means of exploiting said weaknesses. You can't solve that with adaptability when the moment you fail he kills you.
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@nfzeta The mc literally stated he chose regen to aid in his stamina upkeep in case he failed, I think you are the one that doesn't understand why he chose those skills.
Everything was chosen so he could adapt BECAUSE the hero is OVERPOWERED. He took things that wouldn't become useless no matter what hero has >_>
Everything was chosen so he could adapt BECAUSE the hero is OVERPOWERED. He took things that wouldn't become useless no matter what hero has >_>
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are you banking on the idea that there would be an S rank assassination skill that would get through to the hero? They might have built up the hero's strength too much, as there doesn't seem to be an S rank skill that would have worked as a first choice for him. All of the S rank skills are dependent on or proportional to the users abilities. The slave crest one wouldn't have worked as, without super regeneration, he would never be able to get a large enough amount of mana to overcome the hero's base amount of mana that's circulating in his body at all times. Similarly, he'd need equivalent power to make a demon sword that could pierce the hero. Choosing holy spirit, on it's face, wouldn't make sense as it isn't part of his stated approach. All of them come with a catch that won't let him overcome the hero and any assassination skill would would have the same caveat. So he did the opposite of what the goddess said people normally do. Instead of picking an S rank skill and building the rest of his skills around it, hoping that the skill will give an opportunity to overcome the hero, he picks a skill(s) that act as a foundation to let him use his training and knowledge from his life as an assassin. He picked the skills that would give him the tools needed for him do his job as an assassin, not one that would do the job for him.
are you banking on the idea that there would be an S rank assassination skill that would get through to the hero? They might have built up the hero's strength too much, as there doesn't seem to be an S rank skill that would have worked as a first choice for him. All of the S rank skills are dependent on or proportional to the users abilities. The slave crest one wouldn't have worked as, without super regeneration, he would never be able to get a large enough amount of mana to overcome the hero's base amount of mana that's circulating in his body at all times. Similarly, he'd need equivalent power to make a demon sword that could pierce the hero. Choosing holy spirit, on it's face, wouldn't make sense as it isn't part of his stated approach. All of them come with a catch that won't let him overcome the hero and any assassination skill would would have the same caveat. So he did the opposite of what the goddess said people normally do. Instead of picking an S rank skill and building the rest of his skills around it, hoping that the skill will give an opportunity to overcome the hero, he picks a skill(s) that act as a foundation to let him use his training and knowledge from his life as an assassin. He picked the skills that would give him the tools needed for him do his job as an assassin, not one that would do the job for him.
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@Invader_Retro This is why you don't just believe whatever the author says as if its the holy grail.
@Meridis That's the thing, " Instead of picking an S rank skill and building the rest of his skills around it, hoping that the skill will give an opportunity to overcome the hero, he picks a skill(s) that act as a foundation to let him use his training and knowledge from his life as an assassin. He picked the skills that would give him the tools needed for him do his job as an assassin, not one that would do the job for him." almost none of them do that.
The hyper regen was only partially useful because it came with a B-rank skill that's somehow the real power base. Just regen would mean nothing but a time saver without that as the goddess said she would give him the best body she could possibly give so its just a time thing and being born in a good family of assassins solves that by itself.
The hyper regen runs into the same problem as all the other S-rank abilities, they seem to be based on the fact that the user is already strong, which really makes them poor choices for the tier of S-rank. For example just like the hyper regen doesn't provide a solution on its own none of the other S-ranks do but they all have more direct situations in which they could help. The demon summoning could summon specific demons who had curses or such to work on lowering the hero's ability.
The Slave crest, that could have been used on the hero's party as a distraction or plant to betray him or even on others to infiltrate his circle for information or other chances.
The holy spirit, that could be the key to him having the physical ability to carry out the assassination in the first place.
The demonic blade summoning is an iffy one because it says it corresponds to its users strength but I'm not sure if that means it literally as the stronger your base stats are the stronger the blade or rather that the blade corresponds to what the user's abilities or character strengths are, because then you could have a blade suited for assassinations which ignores or lowers defences, or maybe it disrupts the enemy etc.
"hoping that the skill will give an opportunity to overcome the hero" That's exactly what he does with getting chant weaving and getting all the magical affinities even though the latter slows his growth.
@Meridis That's the thing, " Instead of picking an S rank skill and building the rest of his skills around it, hoping that the skill will give an opportunity to overcome the hero, he picks a skill(s) that act as a foundation to let him use his training and knowledge from his life as an assassin. He picked the skills that would give him the tools needed for him do his job as an assassin, not one that would do the job for him." almost none of them do that.
The hyper regen was only partially useful because it came with a B-rank skill that's somehow the real power base. Just regen would mean nothing but a time saver without that as the goddess said she would give him the best body she could possibly give so its just a time thing and being born in a good family of assassins solves that by itself.
The hyper regen runs into the same problem as all the other S-rank abilities, they seem to be based on the fact that the user is already strong, which really makes them poor choices for the tier of S-rank. For example just like the hyper regen doesn't provide a solution on its own none of the other S-ranks do but they all have more direct situations in which they could help. The demon summoning could summon specific demons who had curses or such to work on lowering the hero's ability.
The Slave crest, that could have been used on the hero's party as a distraction or plant to betray him or even on others to infiltrate his circle for information or other chances.
The holy spirit, that could be the key to him having the physical ability to carry out the assassination in the first place.
The demonic blade summoning is an iffy one because it says it corresponds to its users strength but I'm not sure if that means it literally as the stronger your base stats are the stronger the blade or rather that the blade corresponds to what the user's abilities or character strengths are, because then you could have a blade suited for assassinations which ignores or lowers defences, or maybe it disrupts the enemy etc.
"hoping that the skill will give an opportunity to overcome the hero" That's exactly what he does with getting chant weaving and getting all the magical affinities even though the latter slows his growth.
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@nfzeta I already asked you to pick better skills if you think he chose wrong but no answer to that question.
Plus there is nothing wrong with his skills as you suggest and only time there would be was it he fought hero head on but this is "ASSASSINATION".
He needs to be versatile and not have skills that could be unless in a fight with someone that has more and better skills.
He needs things to use in case he has to escape as well however, you don't know the situations he could find himself in neither does mc but at least he can adapt to it.
Plus there is nothing wrong with his skills as you suggest and only time there would be was it he fought hero head on but this is "ASSASSINATION".
He needs to be versatile and not have skills that could be unless in a fight with someone that has more and better skills.
He needs things to use in case he has to escape as well however, you don't know the situations he could find himself in neither does mc but at least he can adapt to it.
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Because of passive mana, none of the other skills would be possible. Super recovery was the only one that gives him the opportunity to grow his mana. So, none of those opportunities are possible. As far as hoping he gets an opportunity with chant weaving, the point is that it lets him both rely on his previous skills and tactics as an assassin, and allows for a wider variety of opportunities to attack the hero, that is, he can MAKE new opportunities. Instead of needing to rely on some fixed rule that he's stuck with for life on how he can attack the hero, he could come up with something new and create new abilities to manage it if he comes to the conclusion that his current tactics won't work, like he did in the spoiler I wrote. If he chose something like the slave crest, he would have to have the power to take over either the hero or someone strong enough to kill the hero. The way you mentioned is just not possible. It doesn't make sense to assume he could take over someone and convince the hero to kill themselves either as they wouldn't much of a threat to the world if they were so easily overcome by sentiment.
Because of passive mana, none of the other skills would be possible. Super recovery was the only one that gives him the opportunity to grow his mana. So, none of those opportunities are possible. As far as hoping he gets an opportunity with chant weaving, the point is that it lets him both rely on his previous skills and tactics as an assassin, and allows for a wider variety of opportunities to attack the hero, that is, he can MAKE new opportunities. Instead of needing to rely on some fixed rule that he's stuck with for life on how he can attack the hero, he could come up with something new and create new abilities to manage it if he comes to the conclusion that his current tactics won't work, like he did in the spoiler I wrote. If he chose something like the slave crest, he would have to have the power to take over either the hero or someone strong enough to kill the hero. The way you mentioned is just not possible. It doesn't make sense to assume he could take over someone and convince the hero to kill themselves either as they wouldn't much of a threat to the world if they were so easily overcome by sentiment.
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So holy spirit is basically a stand which amplifies the user's strength, kinda surprised to see that he didn't choose it since it sounded pretty sweet. Especially when pairing with up with limitless growth.
Been a while since i last saw a main character that uses their brain. It feels strange.
Been a while since i last saw a main character that uses their brain. It feels strange.
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@Meridis
I just highlighted why that's not true. Holy spirit for example is said to pretty much buff everything, you would think that includes mana since the power of the body is said to be linked to mana. Also hyper regen doesn't grow his mana, its the B-rank skill that was auto selected that does that. Which suggests he could have picked the B-rank skill separately. The passive mana theory also works against his current picks as he still needs the power to make and use something capable of overcoming the hero's passive mana when he's in a vulnerable position. The author pretty much f'ed up giving the choices he did and had to break his own setting (uncapping the MC's limit) to even make it slightly possible for the MC to find a method.
I also explained how he could make new opportunities with everything else and just like chant weaving there was no guarantee that it would mesh with his assassin skills. Also there is a reason chant weaving is the only thing I gave him credit for choosing because it simply had the highest possibility among everything to create something useable against the hero.
That's only thinking of things linearly. You're thinking of only ways in which he would directly use it against the hero. He's an assassin, that's not the only way to go about things. He could take over a member of the hero party and have them poison the hero or be the distraction during a critical moment. I never even implied that he would get the hero to kill himself.
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@Invader_Retro I literally explained all the different choices in my reply to Meridis.
As for chant weaving from what's said he's going the wrong direction with that too with just the 'more power' route. If the hero choose from the same set of skills its highly likely he has something similar and even without the knowledge of another world he could have something as simple as a barrier against just straight up power. As it stands the goddess didn't have to pick an assassin but rather just a ranger or mage and have them specialise in a one-hit kill that works around defences. He's not really doing much assassin work.
That's exactly what most of his skills are though. The hyper regen is useless in a fight against someone stronger, watch any vampire/immoral flick.
Proof? Also you're just proving how much you're taking things at face value. From the spoiler Meridis has, he's pretty much going for just 'lets hit him with more firepower' route. Very overt for an assassination.
Again, if he's against someone so much stronger than him then escape would only be possible with a high rank skill and stats to match, he has neither. The Hero as set up could easily hunt him down or just prevent his escape with the current skills he has. Hence why he needed something universally good for specifically for getting out of sticky situations, instead he went with hyper regen and hand to hand combat with a body skill.
As for chant weaving from what's said he's going the wrong direction with that too with just the 'more power' route. If the hero choose from the same set of skills its highly likely he has something similar and even without the knowledge of another world he could have something as simple as a barrier against just straight up power. As it stands the goddess didn't have to pick an assassin but rather just a ranger or mage and have them specialise in a one-hit kill that works around defences. He's not really doing much assassin work.
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@nfzeta Exactly if he fights him head on escape will be difficult or if he uses his skills improperly then sure.
Regen helps a lot if you get a critical hit and enemy wasn't able to finish you off, also enhances his chances to get away.
Everything has its own uses and depends on how its used if mc uses skills wrong thats on him.
Plus pointing all your skills on one thing is far worse than what mc has done if he aims to kill the hero .-.
Regen helps a lot if you get a critical hit and enemy wasn't able to finish you off, also enhances his chances to get away.
Everything has its own uses and depends on how its used if mc uses skills wrong thats on him.
Plus pointing all your skills on one thing is far worse than what mc has done if he aims to kill the hero .-.
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