Sekai Saikyou no Assassin, Isekai Kizoku ni Tensei Suru - Vol. 1 Ch. 3.1
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Pretty sick thing, but apart from it, let me to argue about its usability in that magic world...
It doesn't have anything "does he have magic or not?" though.
Nevertheless, i would say that thing not suitable for assassin, we are talking about his rifle here - "magic on opposite side" will gouge his shoulder.
That recoilless rifle, despite its name, is more akin to high speed grenade launcher. Pretty sick thing, but the best thing about this is mobility and easier usage by a single person, despite enourmous firepower. When you can make huge cannon strapped to the ground out of thin air, and it have a power of obliterating mountain, in that case that "rifle" don't even have a "purpose" of being made.
Pretty sick thing, but apart from it, let me to argue about its usability in that magic world...
It doesn't have anything "does he have magic or not?" though.
Nevertheless, i would say that thing not suitable for assassin, we are talking about his rifle here - "magic on opposite side" will gouge his shoulder.
That recoilless rifle, despite its name, is more akin to high speed grenade launcher. Pretty sick thing, but the best thing about this is mobility and easier usage by a single person, despite enourmous firepower. When you can make huge cannon strapped to the ground out of thin air, and it have a power of obliterating mountain, in that case that "rifle" don't even have a "purpose" of being made.
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Relative melting point? At what pressure?
Anyways, it's pretty absurd that an assassin would ever need to memorize any of the numbers associated with the elements, but I guess if we just say he has super-human memory, it doesn't matter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyways, it's pretty absurd that an assassin would ever need to memorize any of the numbers associated with the elements, but I guess if we just say he has super-human memory, it doesn't matter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Memorizing each element is one thing, but I feel bad for anyone who was forced to memorize the fucking melting point and atomic weight of every single element when it's not even something they're majoring in. That's not something you should bother to memorize unless it directly concerns your career choice.
"but I can do it!"
A lot of people can, but how many people actually do? I doubt there's a single agent in our world that is up to date on all the sciences down to minor details. At best they have the basics of most things down, but not to the point they've memorized the atomic weight of bismuth, while at the same time a master of espionage and combat.
Memorizing each element is one thing, but I feel bad for anyone who was forced to memorize the fucking melting point and atomic weight of every single element when it's not even something they're majoring in. That's not something you should bother to memorize unless it directly concerns your career choice.
"but I can do it!"
A lot of people can, but how many people actually do? I doubt there's a single agent in our world that is up to date on all the sciences down to minor details. At best they have the basics of most things down, but not to the point they've memorized the atomic weight of bismuth, while at the same time a master of espionage and combat.
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@Kaiser92 so you want him to add another blast on the front of the bullet to cancel the recoil of the blast on the back of the bullet? if that's what you are taking about? cause then the bullet won't move it would just stay there in the chamber, that's if the gun doesn't explode first because of all the wasted energy that has no escape because two forces are going against each other in the middle of a gun barrel. and if that's not it then my only other guess is an explosion behind his back to cancel the recoil made from the gun bu having another recoil of another blast from his back and I don't need to tell you how ridiculous that sounds. so please explain your point more.
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@Esperantos
> so you want him to add another blast on the front of the bullet to cancel the recoil of the blast on the back of the bullet?
Add another blast on the BACK of the bullet to cancel the recoil of the blast on the back of the bullet.
> so you want him to add another blast on the front of the bullet to cancel the recoil of the blast on the back of the bullet?
Add another blast on the BACK of the bullet to cancel the recoil of the blast on the back of the bullet.
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@Med1um
> i would say that thing not suitable for assassin
> make huge cannon strapped to the ground out of thin air, and it have a power of obliterating mountain
Huh? So is a bigger more portable gun better for assassination or not? Why the crew serve cannon from 15th century is the better idea?
> i would say that thing not suitable for assassin
> make huge cannon strapped to the ground out of thin air, and it have a power of obliterating mountain
Huh? So is a bigger more portable gun better for assassination or not? Why the crew serve cannon from 15th century is the better idea?
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@kaiser29 https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjbm6P06ffiAhXQCewKHcfSBJcQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRecoilless_rifle&psig=AOvVaw23IvY5UufkxYTWQg60ciY4&ust=1561112102147901
you know that this is how a recoilless rifle looks like. this is not intended to be used as a gun for multiple rounds in succession its basically shoot, reload and shoot again and the size of each round is larger and more complicated than a normal rifle round so it would take more time to create which is less efficient when you are trying to kill someone.
you know that this is how a recoilless rifle looks like. this is not intended to be used as a gun for multiple rounds in succession its basically shoot, reload and shoot again and the size of each round is larger and more complicated than a normal rifle round so it would take more time to create which is less efficient when you are trying to kill someone.
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@Esperantos
Yeah but the guy has MAGIC, no need to reload, the round is just a slug of lead, just create one in the chamber, use magic to shoot and repeat.
Yeah but the guy has MAGIC, no need to reload, the round is just a slug of lead, just create one in the chamber, use magic to shoot and repeat.
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Nah, i meant that if he want to be stealthy, his rifle is better. That huge "recoilless rifle" is inadequate in that situation.
If he need firepower - he will bring out that cannon. And LOL, how is it from 15 century? Take a look at cannons on modern warships, what's the big difference? Difference mostly in internal structure, you don't know internal structure of his cannon, so you can't say anything... But considering how he obliterated mountain - answering to your question will be easy. "Why the crew serve cannon from 15th century is the better idea?" - yes, it is. By the way, it's not crew served, what the heck are you even talking about.
What i'm trying to say, that your initial "why he didn't remove recoil?" question is stupid. Sure, he can remove it, like that "recoilless rifle", but it's not gonna be "magically magic pirim purum", he need to experiments, research etc. While right now he just used pretty basic concepts that most people know, atleast partially. He didn't really "invent" anything just yet.
Your problem that you focus attention on completely irrelevant point. He overcame recoil by "strengthening body magic", problem solved. Much faster, easier and straight forward way of solving the problem, than you trying to reinvent the wheel.
Same goes with that cannon, where recoil was solved by strapping down to ground.
At the very least, don't forget that it all was prototypes, maybe in future he will produce more effective method in his spare time, but at the initial phase of production diverting attention to low-priority task is stupid.
tl;dr - he solved the recoil problem and not bothered by it, what's your problem?
Nah, i meant that if he want to be stealthy, his rifle is better. That huge "recoilless rifle" is inadequate in that situation.
If he need firepower - he will bring out that cannon. And LOL, how is it from 15 century? Take a look at cannons on modern warships, what's the big difference? Difference mostly in internal structure, you don't know internal structure of his cannon, so you can't say anything... But considering how he obliterated mountain - answering to your question will be easy. "Why the crew serve cannon from 15th century is the better idea?" - yes, it is. By the way, it's not crew served, what the heck are you even talking about.
What i'm trying to say, that your initial "why he didn't remove recoil?" question is stupid. Sure, he can remove it, like that "recoilless rifle", but it's not gonna be "magically magic pirim purum", he need to experiments, research etc. While right now he just used pretty basic concepts that most people know, atleast partially. He didn't really "invent" anything just yet.
Your problem that you focus attention on completely irrelevant point. He overcame recoil by "strengthening body magic", problem solved. Much faster, easier and straight forward way of solving the problem, than you trying to reinvent the wheel.
Same goes with that cannon, where recoil was solved by strapping down to ground.
At the very least, don't forget that it all was prototypes, maybe in future he will produce more effective method in his spare time, but at the initial phase of production diverting attention to low-priority task is stupid.
tl;dr - he solved the recoil problem and not bothered by it, what's your problem?
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i don't think this cannon is subtle enough for assassinations.
now on the other hand, if he made howitzers...he can indirect-fire.
now on the other hand, if he made howitzers...he can indirect-fire.
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@Med1um
> Nah, i meant that if he want to be stealthy, his rifle is better.
Why would a rifle be more stealthy? As I said repeatedly, the recoilless can be of ANY SIZE, some even fit inside your palm.
> And LOL, how is it from 15 century?
Uhm maybe do some research brah.
> Take a look at cannons on modern warships, what's the big difference?
HUGE.
> Difference mostly in internal structure
You know nothing @Med1um, the differences are immense and not just the rifling.
> By the way, it's not crew served, what the heck are you even talking about.
Shooting cannon/artillery ain't just point and shoot, not to mention you need more than 1 person to actually use 1 of these IRL. You clearly don't know anything about these. Nice talking to ya.
> Nah, i meant that if he want to be stealthy, his rifle is better.
Why would a rifle be more stealthy? As I said repeatedly, the recoilless can be of ANY SIZE, some even fit inside your palm.
> And LOL, how is it from 15 century?
Uhm maybe do some research brah.
> Take a look at cannons on modern warships, what's the big difference?
HUGE.
> Difference mostly in internal structure
You know nothing @Med1um, the differences are immense and not just the rifling.
> By the way, it's not crew served, what the heck are you even talking about.
Shooting cannon/artillery ain't just point and shoot, not to mention you need more than 1 person to actually use 1 of these IRL. You clearly don't know anything about these. Nice talking to ya.
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You spit so much bullshit, that i really almost think that you are a troll. Ok, it will be my last message, but still
> Why would a rifle be more stealthy? As I said repeatedly, the recoilless can be of ANY SIZE, some even fit inside your palm.
Rifle would be more stealthy than that huge thing that need to be mounted on your shoulder like a rocket launcher, that's for sure. And no, i didn't saw you "say repeadedly" that it can be any size, cause you didn't tagged me. Do you think i waste my entire day waiting for new comment on this thread? Be reasonable.
And ok, lets pretend that he can do recoilles gun of the palm size (although it would definitely be a hurdle to make, cause even from the basics of the one you posted before, you need a free area where you can throw counterforce for recoil). Nevertheless, did you even read my previous message? Simple question - "why?". Especially in palm size gun, he already have everything to alleviate any
> And LOL, how is it from 15 century?
> Uhm maybe do some research brah.
Oh wow, you are so smart. And if you are so smart, tell me how did you get that it's so outdated? You literally only saw a barrel, and support stand for it. For the gun that don't need reload by hand, it's outer appearance says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
But guess what actually say something about it? Firepower that gouged earth below it in cilyndrical form, and decimated mountain (literally made cilindrical hole in it). That shit isn't 15 century cannon, the only thing that comes to mind with such penetrative ability is railgun or something along those lines.
> Take a look at cannons on modern warships, what's the big difference?
> HUGE.
Nope, i'm talking about difference in outer structure. I assure you that it's possible to make a newest model of warship cannon look exactly like this, especially when the most troublesome issue of reloading can be voided by creating shell already inside it.
> Difference mostly in internal structure
> You know nothing @Med1um, the differences are immense and not just the rifling.
So, great master, tell me the differences. I'm waiting. And after that tell me how was you so sure that this thing don't have that. If you are going to say that it don't have "inner screw-thread" or something along those lines, then his rifle also don't have it, but autor specifically said that rifle has it. Do you get what i'm trying to say? Some details can be omitted, manga isn't photo, and autor isn't weaponry specialist. Nevertheless, i'll say it twice - outer appearance is bullshit, and means nothing.You are being ridiculous and you know it.
> By the way, it's not crew served, what the heck are you even talking about.
> Shooting cannon/artillery ain't just point and shoot, not to mention you need more than 1 person to actually use 1 of these IRL. You clearly don't know anything about these. Nice talking to ya.
Yeah, if we are talking about artillery. Autor himself don't really know much about it, so what do you expect from him? Look at page 18 and gouged earth. That's not an artillery, and not usual cannon. Neither of them could be fired like that. But well, considering how he obliterated a tree with his first shot from a rifle with a caliber of about 10 mm in diameter, already fully says that you shouldn't associate it with realworld weaponry.
Did you see that huge ass pentagram when he fired? Tell me what that pentagram do. The funny thing is that we both know that neither i, nor you can answer that question and arguing about it was retarded. He fired it by himself, means that he don't need a crew. Case closed. Easy.
And at the end of it all, what part of "he don't care about recoil, he already solved it" you don't understand? There is no way that he is "google reincarnation" and know anything and everything. He had an issue, he solved it with magic. Case closed. And there you are screaming - he solved it wrong!
The most obvious answer to all of your questions - he made prototypes, and used simple "crutches" in places where he encountered a problem. Asking him for more at first prototype is way overboard.
P.S. By the way, tried to find that wonder recoilless gun of palm size. Strangely enough, i see only huge mastodons and 90% of them can't even be fired without fixed ground support. This is not part of arguing with you, just want to see that wonder gun, kind of curious how it works if that's really a thing. Link please to the source, or atleast pic or something.
You spit so much bullshit, that i really almost think that you are a troll. Ok, it will be my last message, but still
> Why would a rifle be more stealthy? As I said repeatedly, the recoilless can be of ANY SIZE, some even fit inside your palm.
Rifle would be more stealthy than that huge thing that need to be mounted on your shoulder like a rocket launcher, that's for sure. And no, i didn't saw you "say repeadedly" that it can be any size, cause you didn't tagged me. Do you think i waste my entire day waiting for new comment on this thread? Be reasonable.
And ok, lets pretend that he can do recoilles gun of the palm size (although it would definitely be a hurdle to make, cause even from the basics of the one you posted before, you need a free area where you can throw counterforce for recoil). Nevertheless, did you even read my previous message? Simple question - "why?". Especially in palm size gun, he already have everything to alleviate any
> And LOL, how is it from 15 century?
> Uhm maybe do some research brah.
Oh wow, you are so smart. And if you are so smart, tell me how did you get that it's so outdated? You literally only saw a barrel, and support stand for it. For the gun that don't need reload by hand, it's outer appearance says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
But guess what actually say something about it? Firepower that gouged earth below it in cilyndrical form, and decimated mountain (literally made cilindrical hole in it). That shit isn't 15 century cannon, the only thing that comes to mind with such penetrative ability is railgun or something along those lines.
> Take a look at cannons on modern warships, what's the big difference?
> HUGE.
Nope, i'm talking about difference in outer structure. I assure you that it's possible to make a newest model of warship cannon look exactly like this, especially when the most troublesome issue of reloading can be voided by creating shell already inside it.
> Difference mostly in internal structure
> You know nothing @Med1um, the differences are immense and not just the rifling.
So, great master, tell me the differences. I'm waiting. And after that tell me how was you so sure that this thing don't have that. If you are going to say that it don't have "inner screw-thread" or something along those lines, then his rifle also don't have it, but autor specifically said that rifle has it. Do you get what i'm trying to say? Some details can be omitted, manga isn't photo, and autor isn't weaponry specialist. Nevertheless, i'll say it twice - outer appearance is bullshit, and means nothing.You are being ridiculous and you know it.
> By the way, it's not crew served, what the heck are you even talking about.
> Shooting cannon/artillery ain't just point and shoot, not to mention you need more than 1 person to actually use 1 of these IRL. You clearly don't know anything about these. Nice talking to ya.
Yeah, if we are talking about artillery. Autor himself don't really know much about it, so what do you expect from him? Look at page 18 and gouged earth. That's not an artillery, and not usual cannon. Neither of them could be fired like that. But well, considering how he obliterated a tree with his first shot from a rifle with a caliber of about 10 mm in diameter, already fully says that you shouldn't associate it with realworld weaponry.
Did you see that huge ass pentagram when he fired? Tell me what that pentagram do. The funny thing is that we both know that neither i, nor you can answer that question and arguing about it was retarded. He fired it by himself, means that he don't need a crew. Case closed. Easy.
And at the end of it all, what part of "he don't care about recoil, he already solved it" you don't understand? There is no way that he is "google reincarnation" and know anything and everything. He had an issue, he solved it with magic. Case closed. And there you are screaming - he solved it wrong!
The most obvious answer to all of your questions - he made prototypes, and used simple "crutches" in places where he encountered a problem. Asking him for more at first prototype is way overboard.
P.S. By the way, tried to find that wonder recoilless gun of palm size. Strangely enough, i see only huge mastodons and 90% of them can't even be fired without fixed ground support. This is not part of arguing with you, just want to see that wonder gun, kind of curious how it works if that's really a thing. Link please to the source, or atleast pic or something.
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