Sengoku Komachi Kuroutan - Ch. 98 - True Intent

[seagull123]

Yo, I know nothing about history, but if Azai-Asakura falls, which other clans are a credible threat to Oda? Cause Takeda is cooked, the warrior monks are on the retreat, Uesegi became a vassal so who's left?

Hojo, Mori, Shimazu, Miyoshi

 

[Blackstone]

I want to ask, why was Shizuko glad that Hashiba/Hideyoshi were order to attack Odani?

 

[kenkagejack]

I want to ask, why was Shizuko glad that Hashiba/Hideyoshi were order to attack Odani?

Might be a translation quirk, but I interpreted her words as "Oh, it's good that you're here. I've got a letter for you."

 

[Panino]

If I understood right Shizuko made the decision to explain the situation only to Akechi to help him. But at the same time it seems that instead of killing Nobunaga Akechi will try to kill Shizuko's instead?

And Shizuko also have something she wants Hashiba (Hideyoshi) to do?

 

[oddjack]

Ch.75. Shizuko was teaching anatomy to a wife (12yo, maybe even younger) of a cunnisseur. uoh 😭

WE BORN IN A WRONG ERA 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏

 

[Rowa_gasai]

you should make this your pfp

😭Omg that's to cute I have a bunny one like that to

 

[Gold_Scale]

I want to ask, why was Shizuko glad that Hashiba/Hideyoshi were order to attack Odani?

It's because in the real history Hideyoshi is the one who lay siege on Odani castle and capture it, that's why Shizuko is glad it stay true to real history. In the manga its Shizuko who lay siege on Odani Castle but because she leave her post to help Nobunaga and Mitsuhide, the 4 generals who got slapped is tasked to replace Shizuko on capturing Odani Castle with Hideyoshi capturing it in the real history.
I recommend another reading about this event in Nobunaga Kyousoukyoku Volume 9 Chapter 45-50

 

[Umesan]

Yo, I know nothing about history, but if Azai-Asakura falls, which other clans are a credible threat to Oda? Cause Takeda is cooked, the warrior monks are on the retreat, Uesegi became a vassal so who's left?

That would be the Mori clan to the west. They're the largest clan occupying the Chugoku region and the Honshu islands. They were the last enemies Nobunaga ordered his vassals to subjugate before his death at Honnoji. Other clans i can mention: the Shimazu but their daughter married one of the reincarnators so they might be friendly. There's also the Chosokabe south of the Mori but they have a relation with Mitsuhide by family/marriage. There's the Hojo to the east but the impenetrable fortress is the only claim to fame they have. There's also the Date to the North but Masamune would only be a teenager at this stage.

 

[Someguy]

If I understood right Shizuko made the decision to explain the situation only to Akechi to help him. But at the same time it seems that instead of killing Nobunaga Akechi will try to kill Shizuko's instead?

My prediction is that Akechi will also try to kill Nobunaga, not just Shizuko, because he thinks she has corrupted him. And they both time travel to modern times. That way, the author won't have to explain what happens if Nobunaga never died at Honnō-ji. Of course, Nobunaga being Nobunaga won't be satisfied and succeeds at becoming the Prime Minister, and somehow gets Shizuko to become the 2nd in command, which is Chief Cabinet Secretary if Google is correct.

 

[RobotFalling542]

Thanks for the translation 🙏

 

[ghinan18]

Yo, I know nothing about history, but if Azai-Asakura falls, which other clans are a credible threat to Oda? Cause Takeda is cooked, the warrior monks are on the retreat, Uesegi became a vassal so who's left?

Miyoshi trio is still there btw. I think next opponent is miyoshi and chosokabe

 

[MrMichael]

Personally I still think it's awkward the 4 generals didn't go with the plan. Nobunaga's been on a roll with victories and you'd think they'd trust his abilities more and just assume he knows cause he has some spies or something. I'm not saying they'd all follow without extra information but you'd think at least one of em would go in with Mitsuhide.

 

[chinfo]

Personally I still think it's awkward the 4 generals didn't go with the plan. Nobunaga's been on a roll with victories and you'd think they'd trust his abilities more and just assume he knows cause he has some spies or something. I'm not saying they'd all follow without extra information but you'd think at least one of em would go in with Mitsuhide.

The manga narrative is truncated compared to the web novel. Akechi was portrayed as the most open-minded and flexible of Nobunaga's generals. He's readily receptive of Shizuko's help and advice, and often sought her before embarking on operations. He is direct and goal-oriented but stoic, personally distant and aloof. Whereas Hashiba was portrayed as flashy, gregarious, and clever but prideful, ambitious and somewhat insecure glory-hound, accepting help only after suffering setbacks or experiencing difficulties. The rest were either too rigid or unimaginative that Nobunaga or Shizuko had to spell it out for them.

 

[sanesx]

My prediction is that Akechi will also try to kill Nobunaga, not just Shizuko, because he thinks she has corrupted him. And they both time travel to modern times. That way, the author won't have to explain what happens if Nobunaga never died at Honnō-ji. Of course, Nobunaga being Nobunaga won't be satisfied and succeeds at becoming the Prime Minister, and somehow gets Shizuko to become the 2nd in command, which is Chief Cabinet Secretary if Google is correct.

My guess for the longest time is...Nobunaga is Shizuko's grandfather.

 

[sshvi]

My prediction is that Akechi will also try to kill Nobunaga, not just Shizuko, because he thinks she has corrupted him. And they both time travel to modern times. That way, the author won't have to explain what happens if Nobunaga never died at Honnō-ji. Of course, Nobunaga being Nobunaga won't be satisfied and succeeds at becoming the Prime Minister, and somehow gets Shizuko to become the 2nd in command, which is Chief Cabinet Secretary if Google is correct.

I'd be sad if that was the conclusion, but understandable. My selfish wish is just to ride this out for 10 years as Oda and Shizuko unite all of Japan haha

 

[Someguy]

I'd be sad if that was the conclusion, but understandable. My selfish wish is just to ride this out for 10 years as Oda and Shizuko unite all of Japan haha

I'm no historian, but the way I see it, if Nobunaga or Shizuko survive the Honnō-ji, the author will have to create new history almost from scratch. If Shizuko survives and eventually starts competing with other nations, the author will probably have to learn more about history beyond Japan's and include it into the story. At that point, is the story still about the Sengoku era? The name of the manga/novel will no longer make sense. At some point, it must end and you really don't want to drag out a story.

Akechi started acting weird when he found out about Shizuko's creating money from nothing idea. He can't just only kill Shizuko, because this is a project that seems to need a lot of involvement from Nobunaga as well. Considering that the author seems to prefer not killing major named characters, sending Shizuko and friends back to modern Japan seems to be the most likely scenario and would fit with the theme of the story. Takeda might be a major character that died, but he was ill anyway and giving him an honorable suicide ritual is one of the better endings from a samurai's pov. Other named characters that died are not that important anyway.

If Nobunaga does end up in modern Japan, he's got to find something to do. There's no war to fight and no one wants to start one, so joining the military is pointless. He could start his own martial arts school, but he does not seem like the type to teach. The only other thing he has experience with is politics. And if he wants to be number one, then he has to become Prime Minister.

 

[sshvi]

I'm no historian, but the way I see it, if Nobunaga or Shizuko survive the Honnō-ji, the author will have to create new history almost from scratch. If Shizuko survives and eventually starts competing with other nations, the author will probably have to learn more about history beyond Japan's and include it into the story. At that point, is the story still about the Sengoku era? The name of the manga/novel will no longer make sense. At some point, it must end and you really don't want to drag out a story.

Akechi started acting weird when he found out about Shizuko's creating money from nothing idea. He can't just only kill Shizuko, because this is a project that seems to need a lot of involvement from Nobunaga as well. Considering that the author seems to prefer not killing major named characters, sending Shizuko and friends back to modern Japan seems to be the most likely scenario and would fit with the theme of the story. Takeda might be a major character that died, but he was ill anyway and giving him an honorable suicide ritual is one of the better endings from a samurai's pov. Other named characters that died are not that important anyway.

If Nobunaga does end up in modern Japan, he's got to find something to do. There's no war to fight and no one wants to start one, so joining the military is pointless. He could start his own martial arts school, but he does not seem like the type to teach. The only other thing he has experience with is politics. And if he wants to be number one, then he has to become Prime Minister.

They could just end it by the time they reunify Hinomoto, but yeah it will take a bit of imagination from the author, which I don't mind. They've already been deviating for a while anyway, no? The variation I'd hate the most is if Nobunaga also ends up in the modern age, tbh. I don't mind Shizuko dying and being flung into a future where Nobunaga accomplished his goal, that'd be interesting I think. You get to skip a lot of the minutia that way, too. Everything ending at Honnoji would feel like everything so far had been for nothing.

From ch1 it was always about Shizuko dreaming up how to win with Sengoku warlords, so it'd be the perfect way to end it. Sometimes subversion is unnecessary. Alternate reality would really test the author's skills, though.

 

[Someguy]

They could just end it by the time they reunify Hinomoto, but yeah it will take a bit of imagination from the author, which I don't mind. They've already been deviating for a while anyway, no? The variation I'd hate the most is if Nobunaga also ends up in the modern age, tbh. I don't mind Shizuko dying and being flung into a future where Nobunaga accomplished his goal, that'd be interesting I think. You get to skip a lot of the minutia that way, too. Everything ending at Honnoji would feel like everything so far had been for nothing.

From ch1 it was always about Shizuko dreaming up how to win with Sengoku warlords, so it'd be the perfect way to end it. Sometimes subversion is unnecessary. Alternate reality would really test the author's skills, though.

I haven't read the novel version, but based on the manga version, it just feels like the author is sort of lazy. Many things aren't explained very well and Shizuko often wins easily. I don't mind it, but on the other hand, it's the reason why I don't see the author putting much effort past the Honnoji incident and try to end it as soon as the story reaches that point.

It is true that it has been deviating from history for a while, but it still sort of follows some kind of timeline. Without that timeline, the author would have to get a bit more creative and it won't be very Sengoku anymore. Come to think of it, that might not be so bad. But...I just don't see the author capable of doing that and still have an interesting story.

The scenario that I came up with is what I think would most likely happen with a lazy author that just wants to finish with a happy ending as quickly as possible while keeping true to the theme of the story. It's not necessarily what I want to happen, but it's what I predict will likely happen from my years of reading manga. In fact, I think I sort of dislike it, because it's kind of predictable and I much rather be surprised with a totally unpredictable ending.

In my opinion, the worst type of ending would be if everybody survives the Honnoji incident like it's nothing special and the story stops right there while the narrator says something along the line of "And they lived happily ever after". And no further detail is given. I mean, that's great for Shizuko and friends, and maybe many readers will like it, because their favorite characters didn't die, but I just think way too many manga follow that style of ending or some variation of it, and it's really boring.

I'm fine with Nobunaga and Shizuko unifying feudal Japan and all of her hard work doesn't go to waste, but only if it's done well and the author doesn't just end the story abruptly with "Oda and Shizuko unified Japan, her inventions created a utopia, and everybody lived happily ever after" without telling us how.