Senken no Majutsushi to Yobareta Kenshi - Vol. 2 Ch. 7
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@mommunism additionally, mostly in case that edit doesnt notify you, its really unreasonable for an army to head into battle without gathering some basic intel on their enemy. sure, you can says its all the mc's fault this happened but its the author's fault this army is led by morons who care more about their ego then the lives of their men. if this monster "never" comes this close to the city that means they have literally no experience fighting it. someone, ANYONE, from the army would have asked about the monster when sending the support request to the adventurer's guild.
@Aran1 Just because the knights went out for their own reasons doesn't mean any of this is their fault. The last chapter said the lord was the one who requested everyone he could get, including the protagonist's party specifically. The protagonist also had a chance to save these people, but he didn't because he wanted to hide his powers.
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This is what happens when you order a grinder larger than what the party can handle. Next time plan the catering better.
@ZeroWWE It's a reference to the MC of https://mangadex.org/title/33085/kage-no-jitsuryokusha-ni-naritakute
@ZeroWWE It's a reference to the MC of https://mangadex.org/title/33085/kage-no-jitsuryokusha-ni-naritakute
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1st of all the Mercs knew what the Grinder was, it's strengths and what formation to use against it, so how come the knights didn't?
2nd, Yes it was the MCs fault that it came down, he acknowledged it last chapter. Also the Captain was the best swordsman in the military, of course since according to the soldiers there wasn't any actual wars going on, his claim is only in their military / court.
3rd, The Mercs already saw that the Knights were using a formation that was bound to fail, and they also split up. When the 1st Knight party was wiped, MC due rushed to try and kill the Grinder quickly, but it flew away.
4th, They had archers, but the Grinder was fast and basically annihilated most of the Captain's group before they even got into formation.
5th, Since the MC had a bad experience with the military demanding that he teaches them sword magic, he opted to not use it, which was a Bad call but kind of made sense, was probably hoping he could take it down with out.
All in all, the fault lies with the MC due, the Lord's and the Knight's stupid decision making. The MC duo is the main cause, but if the Lord relied on the Merc Party to subjugate it, no casualties would have surfaced. Of course that would show how weak their military is at the moment, and lose more face inline with the Lady beating them up and refusing their offer.
Is this cliche? Yes, very much so. Is this a "bad" manga? Not really. The art and gore on Pg.6 was really well done, the panels are easy to follow and clear to read, it's translated well (Thank you for your work!). Is this an amazing manga? No, it's quite average story and character design wise.
Side note; I wonder where the cliche that Knights are useless came from and the infatuation of Asian novels preferring swords while Pole weapons (spear, halberd, etc) were much more useful in melee. There is a reason swords were considered side arms.
1st of all the Mercs knew what the Grinder was, it's strengths and what formation to use against it, so how come the knights didn't?
2nd, Yes it was the MCs fault that it came down, he acknowledged it last chapter. Also the Captain was the best swordsman in the military, of course since according to the soldiers there wasn't any actual wars going on, his claim is only in their military / court.
3rd, The Mercs already saw that the Knights were using a formation that was bound to fail, and they also split up. When the 1st Knight party was wiped, MC due rushed to try and kill the Grinder quickly, but it flew away.
4th, They had archers, but the Grinder was fast and basically annihilated most of the Captain's group before they even got into formation.
5th, Since the MC had a bad experience with the military demanding that he teaches them sword magic, he opted to not use it, which was a Bad call but kind of made sense, was probably hoping he could take it down with out.
All in all, the fault lies with the MC due, the Lord's and the Knight's stupid decision making. The MC duo is the main cause, but if the Lord relied on the Merc Party to subjugate it, no casualties would have surfaced. Of course that would show how weak their military is at the moment, and lose more face inline with the Lady beating them up and refusing their offer.
Is this cliche? Yes, very much so. Is this a "bad" manga? Not really. The art and gore on Pg.6 was really well done, the panels are easy to follow and clear to read, it's translated well (Thank you for your work!). Is this an amazing manga? No, it's quite average story and character design wise.
Side note; I wonder where the cliche that Knights are useless came from and the infatuation of Asian novels preferring swords while Pole weapons (spear, halberd, etc) were much more useful in melee. There is a reason swords were considered side arms.
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So is it their fault that this commander underestimated a girl famous throughout the kingdom to defeat all his opponents so much that the voice came to his lord just because she is a woman?
Is it their fault that this commander after the defeat he received against the girl instead of taking an examination of conscience and wondering how to improve he went to full charge against a monster of which there was little information?
Is it their fault if this incapable commander launched himself on the enemy instead of preparing a strategy?
Already the fact that he is a commander means that he must take responsibility both in case of victory and in case of defeat.
Blaming others for their inability brings doubts even to whoever gave them the position.
It is not just a question of being weak in physique but not being capable of judgment.
For this, no, the fault is not of the duo but of the commander who both times underestimated those in front of him.
I forgot, in these worlds the strongest survives.
If the commander is weak, it is not the fault of the duo but of the commander himself.
That he goes to prostitute himself because he has already given his bitch in the previous chapters to the girl just because she is a woman.
Now it's up to him to go do that job if he's so weak.
Anyone with a minimum of brains would inquire about their enemy and prepare a suitable strategy.
If everyone did like this commander, humanity would already be extinct.
So is it their fault that this commander underestimated a girl famous throughout the kingdom to defeat all his opponents so much that the voice came to his lord just because she is a woman?
Is it their fault that this commander after the defeat he received against the girl instead of taking an examination of conscience and wondering how to improve he went to full charge against a monster of which there was little information?
Is it their fault if this incapable commander launched himself on the enemy instead of preparing a strategy?
Already the fact that he is a commander means that he must take responsibility both in case of victory and in case of defeat.
Blaming others for their inability brings doubts even to whoever gave them the position.
It is not just a question of being weak in physique but not being capable of judgment.
For this, no, the fault is not of the duo but of the commander who both times underestimated those in front of him.
I forgot, in these worlds the strongest survives.
If the commander is weak, it is not the fault of the duo but of the commander himself.
That he goes to prostitute himself because he has already given his bitch in the previous chapters to the girl just because she is a woman.
Now it's up to him to go do that job if he's so weak.
Anyone with a minimum of brains would inquire about their enemy and prepare a suitable strategy.
If everyone did like this commander, humanity would already be extinct.
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Ungrateful brat
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That shitty captain ...
He blame mc and the girl because both of them saving the adventures team and not his army ...
MC duo actually can't goes there in time because other solders team forcing MC duo to heal solders first ...
That shitty captain ...
He blame mc and the girl because both of them saving the adventures team and not his army ...
MC duo actually can't goes there in time because other solders team forcing MC duo to heal solders first ...
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@mommunism tl:dr they ARE just at as much fault if not more then the mc because the mc is a nobody and the knight leader was in charge of the expedition. as such, it was apart of his job to make sure they knew all they needed about this monster. why cant they be wrong along with the mc? both can be wrong and did make mistakes in handling things.
that doesnt address the other points though. boogle brings up the same points. the knights are just as responsible for this as the mc. had they worked with the adventurers instead of being bias against them the losses wouldnt have happened. you not denying that kinda proves the point here. the knights had every chance they needed to understand their enemy and didnt even bother to do so. for their leaders it was nothing more then a matter of restoring their pride that led to them getting wiped.
yes the mc COULD have saved them using his powers but given what happened last time he did that in front of an army its much more like that saving them here would have resulted in him killing them later. which is also whats probably going to happen within a few chapters anyways because its a manga and it needs something cliche to push the plot forward sometimes.
when the lord sent the request to the adventurers they had the chance to gather information on this monster. while making the strategy for a monster they knew nothing about and had little to no experience fighting against they had the chance to gather information on it. while on the way to fight the monster the adventurers all thought it was going to fail and any one of them could have said something but the attitudes of the knights discouraged them from doing so. it is NOT just the mc's fault this happened. there are several reasons this massacre took place and at least half are because of the knights pride cliche.
im willing to agree the start of this was because of the mc but the rest of it could have been prevented easily. so far it seems youre trying to just brush off everything else other then the mc caused it because he over hunted and hid his powers. why do you want to defend the knights, the lord, the army, and their supporting units so much? why cant they be at fault for anything? theres no reason for this to be a one or the other thing. its clearly a both sides f'd up situation but you wont even engage on / acknowledge what the others did wrong.
that doesnt address the other points though. boogle brings up the same points. the knights are just as responsible for this as the mc. had they worked with the adventurers instead of being bias against them the losses wouldnt have happened. you not denying that kinda proves the point here. the knights had every chance they needed to understand their enemy and didnt even bother to do so. for their leaders it was nothing more then a matter of restoring their pride that led to them getting wiped.
yes the mc COULD have saved them using his powers but given what happened last time he did that in front of an army its much more like that saving them here would have resulted in him killing them later. which is also whats probably going to happen within a few chapters anyways because its a manga and it needs something cliche to push the plot forward sometimes.
when the lord sent the request to the adventurers they had the chance to gather information on this monster. while making the strategy for a monster they knew nothing about and had little to no experience fighting against they had the chance to gather information on it. while on the way to fight the monster the adventurers all thought it was going to fail and any one of them could have said something but the attitudes of the knights discouraged them from doing so. it is NOT just the mc's fault this happened. there are several reasons this massacre took place and at least half are because of the knights pride cliche.
im willing to agree the start of this was because of the mc but the rest of it could have been prevented easily. so far it seems youre trying to just brush off everything else other then the mc caused it because he over hunted and hid his powers. why do you want to defend the knights, the lord, the army, and their supporting units so much? why cant they be at fault for anything? theres no reason for this to be a one or the other thing. its clearly a both sides f'd up situation but you wont even engage on / acknowledge what the others did wrong.
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@mommunism. nah, not the duo s fault. they were held back by someone else before they could get there. plus, the knight also failed to retreat when they clearly see that they cant fight that Grinder. He also failed to control his emotion which leads to the decimation of his unit. if he issues retreat order much faster, the troops probably only suffer a small lost.
but why do you think it was the duo s fault? what was the problem Nale cause? i dont get that. all I can see, she defeated him. by sheer difference in strength and skills.
but why do you think it was the duo s fault? what was the problem Nale cause? i dont get that. all I can see, she defeated him. by sheer difference in strength and skills.
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low IQ plot of nobles, think they're mighty even after the beating.... so shameless.
i've seen this plot many times in wuxia, so i'm not surprised and i already fed up,..... added one more to the thousand times will make no difference, right?
i've seen this plot many times in wuxia, so i'm not surprised and i already fed up,..... added one more to the thousand times will make no difference, right?
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nice hero-kun, but i don't see anything duo's at fault here
> got beaten by woman by fair duel (iirc want hire woman to become bodyguard)
> have a grudge to woman that beat you up (come on, just admit it, know your limits)
> got bullied because lose (it's his subordinate tho)
> can not stand being bullied & want regain his honor (kakkoooii)
> advanced to front line without mercenaries (because he & his subordinate is strong dont want to depend on mercenaries)
> underestimate a monster-eagle-head-bird
> happy when face to face with grinder
> got wiped out
> another comrade come
> got wiped out
> why you so angry to that woman captain-kun
nice hero-kun, but i don't see anything duo's at fault here
> got beaten by woman by fair duel (iirc want hire woman to become bodyguard)
> have a grudge to woman that beat you up (come on, just admit it, know your limits)
> got bullied because lose (it's his subordinate tho)
> can not stand being bullied & want regain his honor (kakkoooii)
> advanced to front line without mercenaries (because he & his subordinate is strong dont want to depend on mercenaries)
> underestimate a monster-eagle-head-bird
> happy when face to face with grinder
> got wiped out
> another comrade come
> got wiped out
> why you so angry to that woman captain-kun
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yss give me a shitty man to hate plox
