Sensitive Boy - Vol. 2 Ch. 15 - I did not want to know

[Senros]

dam son

 

[jagfanbb]

In a way her Mom contributed to her superficial idea of a relationship being similar to a shoujo manga. Not to say that she's a bad person but her world did get rocked & I do hope it will make her a better person at the end of this. Her running away is definitely not going help Kaede out & make him feel like shit. Thanks for the chapter.

Yeah this 100%
She's not a bad person but still just a naive little girl that hopefully learns from this and grows
This will probably stay with her forever after it finally dawns on her what she's actually done to him even if they wind up together

 

[Koshin_127]

Her full bookcase of romance shoujo begs to differ.

Not every repulsion to sex is the product of some intrinsic asexuality.

I mean being asexual doesn't automatically mean being aromantic

 

[Eighty-six]

I mean being asexual doesn't automatically mean being aromantic

It usually does. That said, some of those who identify as asexual also report having sexual attraction and having sex, so I think it'd be more profitable to focus on Tsubasa's characterization instead of trying to figure out what label to apply to her.

At least the brunt of Tsubasa's issue is that she has no context for things like sex, to a degree so great that she only now logically registers that her mom had sex with her dad.

 

[Koshin_127]

It usually does.

No it doesn't. There are largely more asexual people who feel romantic attraction than there are aroace people

 

[Eighty-six]

No it doesn't.

You have any statistics on this, given that there's normally an intersection between the erotic and the romantic in the first place? This article (see p.83 as marked in the document, p.2 as it exists in the document) notes most respondents as-- if only at the time-- not being in a romantic relationship.

 

[Rafalga]

I come from the future...that is Spanish translations.

For my earlier summaries, see here and here. Even though it's only two chapters, this summary is a bit lengthy because there are some strong statements I wanted to write. This is mostly about what happens to Tsubasa.

Spoiler: Chapters 26-27

We last left off with Kaede Seto confessing his feelings to his boss, the coffee shop owner, Rio. She laughs it off as him saying that she is glad that he likes her as his boss at work. We later see a panel that suggests she understood exactly what Kaede meant, that he had romantic feelings for her, and that she played it off that way to avoid the situation.

Tsubasa has a haircut. It's the explicit cliche of getting a haircut after a breakup. Remember Aya? You don't remember Aya. That's the name of the girl who was classmates with Kaede in middle school, who had told Tsubasa about the rumors.

Tsubasa explains to Momoka and Aya the reason why she is no longer in a relationship with Kaede. She doesn't reveal the extent of his past, merely saying that she thought he was dirty and that he did it willingly and that the extent of his past was more than she had thought.

Aya is pissed at Tsubasa, and in my opinion, rightfully so. Aya reveals that there were multiple rumors going around, including that Kaede had been the victim of sexual abuse. She says that Kaede had done nothing wrong, and yet Tsubasa has blamed him. Aya asks if that makes Tsubasa just as bad as an abuser.

Aya then explains that everyone has such sexual experiences, that it is completely "normal", regardless of what Tsubasa may think. Tsubasa asks if her inability to accept that makes her abnormal. Tsubasa reiterates that what she said to Kaede is unforgiveable, but she doesn't know what to do now, especially when she had never been taught these things at home nor in school.

Aya basically says fuck that noise. Those are two completely different things. It's not Tsubasa's fault that she thinks that way, but it is explicitly Tsubasa's fault that she called Kaede dirty and that he wanted it to happen. Saying that to a victim is a simply unbelievable. Saying that is the same as blaming a woman for getting raped just because she wore a miniskirt.

Tsubasa repeats herself, saying that she knows what she said is unforgiveable. However, she also asks why Aya is so upset when it's not her business. Aya explains that even though it is probably not the same as what happened to Kaede, she herself had similar experiences, and she can't stand the thought of people like them being blamed. Tsubasa says that no matter how much she tries to avoid it, she still thinks that way.

Aya departs, taking Momka with her and leaving Tsubasa reflecting on the horrible things she said to Kaede, with Tsubasa crying alone.

Spoiler

Bitch status : TOLD

 

[loveis_freely]

Spoiler: Asexuality Issue

They're really not. At least, not so far as the latest Japanese chapters. The author does actually discuss asexuality, but the author uses a different character.

maybe they aren’t canonically but i can totally see them that way, they both seem to be very repulsed to sexual things, as least as far as the english translation.

 

[loveis_freely]

It usually does.

no ??? 😭

 

[Eighty-six]

maybe they aren’t canonically but i can totally see them that way

We're talking about a rape victim along with a girl who, for 15 years, didn't realize her mom had sex with her dad until this day in her life.

It's in fact possible that the rape victim may be repulsed by sex in a way that's separate from his rape-based trauma-- though that in particular has yet to be explored, because he hasn't sufficiently resolved said trauma. There's no point in conjecturing based on any repulsion he manifests given that massive confounding detail.

no ??? 😭

...what was I supposed to do with this response? Take you at your word absent any argument or statistic?

 

[loveis_freely]

...what was I supposed to do with this response? Take you at your word absent any argument or statistic?

there are MANY asexual and NOT aromantic people in the world. also, who are you to say that if you’re aromantic/asexual you have to or usually are aroace? you realize how queerphobic that sounds, right?
i don’t need statistics to tell you off for your bigoted logic. not to mention that statistics shouldn’t matter to how somebody identifies ??? you wouldn’t say “well, quite a few of people who think they’re homosexual are actually heterosexual 🤓 !” to a gay man, would you?

 

[Eighty-six]

there are MANY asexual and NOT aromantic people in the world. also, who are you to say that if you’re aromantic/asexual you have to or usually are aroace? you realize how queerphobic that sounds, right?

I need you to actually read what you quoted me saying before you go into aggravatingly self-righteous diatribes.

Did you not read me saying "USUALLY"? What is the point of telling me that there are "MANY" who are asexual without having no romantic interest? Did you want to argue the proportion? Because I cited an expositional paper citing a study that reported that most asexual respondents had no romantic partner at the time of the survey. It's not a perfectly suitable statistic in that this could well and truly be "at the time" and most of them could have had romantic partners that they were no longer with at the time of the survey-- but it's something that points to a more concrete observation than "nuh uh".

 

[loveis_freely]

We're talking about a rape victim along with a girl who, for 15 years, didn't realize her mom had sex with her dad until this day in her life.

It's in fact possible that the rape victim may be repulsed by sex in a way that's separate from his rape-based trauma-- though that in particular has yet to be explored, because he hasn't sufficiently resolved said trauma. There's no point in conjecturing based on any repulsion he manifests given that massive confounding detail.

my brother in christ it is only a headcanon.

 

[loveis_freely]

Did you want to argue the proportion?

no. what i was trying to say is that there is no reason to saying “usually” this or “usually” that when it comes to being asexual and/or aromantic. statistics, as i said, shouldn’t matter. statistics don’t govern how you identify.

 

[loveis_freely]

Because I cited an expositional paper citing a study that reported that most asexual respondents had no romantic partner at the time of the survey.

haha! very nice! you cited a study! now tell me why exactly that should govern how one might identify? because guess what ? it shouldn’t!

 

[Eighty-six]

no. what i was trying to say is that there is no reason to saying “usually” this or “usually” that when it comes to being asexual and/or aromantic. statistics, as i said, shouldn’t matter. statistics don’t govern how you identify.

haha! very nice! you cited a study! now tell me why exactly that should govern how one might identify? because guess what ? it shouldn’t!

You don't understand the conversation you injected yourself in.

At all.

my brother in christ it is only a headcanon.

That you tried to justify with the canonical detail of them being sex-repulsed, not paying any mind to WHY and HOW they are.

I get it, this is a work of fiction, but you asserting that a rape victim is asexual because he's seemingly sex-repulsed rubs me the wrong way. Even in the no-harm-no-foul context of narrative analysis, it's misplaced priorities and looks as if you'd make the same argument of a real person.

 

[loveis_freely]

You don't understand the conversation you injected yourself in.

At all.

what i do understand is the fact that you’re pulling up online fucking resources to tell me that asexual/aromantic ppl are usually aroace. which is not for you, nor the internet to decide.
anyway i need to leave this conversation before my brain deteriorates anymore than it already has.

 

[Eighty-six]

what i do understand is the fact that you’re pulling up online fucking resources to tell me--

I wasn't even talking to you to begin with-- what the hell.

 

[Quieo]

I’ve heard it’s bad over their for things such as mental health and any sexuality other than heterosexuality from a few Japanese friends of mine. But I haven’t seen any actual studies or documentaries on the subject.
Although I’m sure you’re right in some way, but the only things I know about the subject are here say and fictional media.

Well in Japan¹ there is less stigma changing your gender than being gay. In fact legally speaking, once you had surgery² you are legally considered a member of the opposite sex in legal sense. Thus if two men (or women) love each other enough. If one of them becomes a woman (or man in the case of two women) they can legally marry!

¹and most East Asian and Middle East countries

²and gone through the mandatory sterilisation (there is always a drawback)

 

[Maxoball]

I keep getting scared on ever page to the pot where is immediately open the comment on the very last page ☠️