Seventh - Vol. 2 Ch. 11.1 - Greenhorn (part1)

[CraniumAmbiguity]

The MC should make the most of the First's aggressive whims and demand compensation for compliance. If the MC does this for the First, the First has to agree to teach the MC his skill.

 

[Wolvenworks]

The first ancestor is just useless as hell.

Well…it’s more that he’s a musclehead of the highest order, a Man of Action. The kind of idiot that blabs stuff without filter. In this scenario, it’s not helping much since he can’t just get out of the gem and punch the next bandit.

 

[Shad24772]

can we get some way of scrubbing 1st outta the jewel forever? that shit is the only reason the plot hasn't moved in like 6 chapters.

 

[inori_y]

"I want to SHATTER THIS FKING STONE if you guys keep shouting and NEEDLESSLY sapping MY FKING MANA"

At this point it's the author that needlessly prolonging MC being such a beta...

 

[Egakor]

Is... Is this the first time he got an actual good tip from an ancestor?

They just have had enough of The First so they decided to unite to help him instead. The First was that bad.

 

[mysteana]

At some point you just have to put it down to poor editing and a poor adaptation. We're on the 11th chapter and ONLY starting to get past the warm up. True, in the LN it took a good chunk of the first volume to get to this point, but for a presumably monthly release schedule, we're talking nearly a year before the MC gets his training wheels.

There are some LNs that deserve to have a 1:1 adaptation, but this is not one of them. The hook needs to have been set a long time ago, they can deal with the chronological events leading up to the glow up with flashbacks or some other story telling device.

That said for those who have lasted to this point, we're just before things actually start

Spoiler

The old farts will finally realise that they have been absolute total dicks. Lyle doesn't remember a thing before his tenth birthday, and since that point he's been completely neglected. Granted he's been given food and shelter, but that's about it. His education, stopped. No one speaks to him. The entire household has effectively functioned as if he didn't exist. It's actually a wonder that he hasn't turned completely feral and can string together a coherent sentence. Then all of a sudden, his little sister near murders him, his parents and the rest of the household calls him a disappointment and throws him out of the house. And the cherry on top of that, his ancestors join in on the emotional beat downs and he can't escape it. This is while he's being constantly reminded that his former fiancee, who for some reason insists on sticking by him, has liquidated her dowery to provide funds for them to live.

With that in mind, yes, they've been completely unreasonable blasting him at every mistake he's made because he doesn't know any better. Literally. Grab a ten year old who hasn't been schooled and toss them out into the wild world with only a small bag of change and the clothes on their back and see if they can function as an independant adult. Meanwhile those crusty old farts belittle their descendent from on high with their full lives of experience without trying to get a better picture of what is going on. Seriously, they haven't even questioned HOW Lyle is in this situation in the first place and it's only when Lyle is completely emotionally broken down that they find out how shitty his situation is.

Spoiler: For those who want a small peek into the future...

The First finally relents and grants access to the first stage of his arte, which allows Lyle to get a general buff to his stats. Most critically, it gives him enough headroom in terms of mana to use the artes of his other ancestors and he's able to use multiple artes simultaneously. The instant results are impressive to say the least given that without access to an heirloom Jewel that allows for the inheritence of artes, most people do not have more than their own self-developed arte, if they manifest one in the first place.

The ancestors also find out that they've made a very grave misunderstanding when it comes to Lyle's capabilities. All this time, they've expected him to have gone through several "growths" which are effectively level ups. Pre and post growth are incomparable in terms of the improvements in general ability and stats. Lyle, hasn't gone through a single growth and yet has the combat proficiency of a veteran adventurer and the magical prowess exceeding that even though the latter is further handicapped with nearly no mana to use magic. Without any artes

 

[Jachinz]

Christ this kids family is a pain, his ancestors are yapping assholes, like this entire family should rot. Let the boy actually fucking breathe and take in the situation.

 

[Phantaminium]

I'm finding myself fervently despising this story. The drip feed of chapters is a degree of it but the setup is just unbearable. The setup of having his ancestors to provide guidance is interesting, intriguing even. The MC also was not too useless or too overpowered and FMC sees him for who he is and that he is capable and is a solid foundation to build him back up.

He seems to be relatively well developed especially for his age but we have to suffer him being treated like he is useless from the perspective of his ancestors at every point in the story so far. The first ancestor has more screen time and lines in some of these partial chapters than anyone else, the story also seems to be building to MC proving him wrong but the First Ancestor's viewpoint on things has been atrocious and for some reason given so much weight in the story.

Even in this chapter he just gets to unload on MC despite the situation making zero sense and draining MC of having any agency in any decision yet again.

The fucking appeal for me is that the MC seems to have a solid head on his shoulders, capability, skill and a lot of room to grow. It looked like he could with no aid from the ancestors work his way up to beating his sister and reclaiming his place in the world, this makes him basically being made into an invalid throughout most days by the badgering of his ancestors draining his mana and not being able to assert himself in any scenario significantly feel atrocious.

Like what are we doing here, his flaws aren't in that he has an abundance of confidence or capability. He hasn't indulged in status, wealth or his talents, why does he need to be broken down so far and so consistently? Why does he get almost no room to make decisions or assert himself but the story has every decision and action he takes get torn down by his endless chorus of yappers?

Any rational person would've torn the orb off and put it on once a week to update them and tell them to shut up. This is so fucking weird and despite is only being chapter 11 it's gone on so long since every scenario is MC taking action 5% of the time and ancestors yapping for the rest. Unbearable. I have too much awareness and investment in the series to be able to drop it for a year and come back.

 

[Egakor]

Worry not. They will be less of a pain soon.

Spoiler

There’s a reason why The First was the quickest to exit in the jewel (also had the smallest involvement in the novel as a whole). Author is aware he would just drag down the story.

 

[keane6t4]

"I want to SHATTER THIS FKING STONE if you guys keep shouting and NEEDLESSLY sapping MY FKING MANA"

At this point it's the author that needlessly prolonging MC being such a beta...

Dudes just got way to much screentime the story couldn't advance until now

 

[keane6t4]

Judging by the meeting, they were invited because they are the current client of that top adventurer/teacher, and because they know the victim. This was probably a conversation to let the TEACHER take on a request to save the girl and/or subdue the bandit group. The MC is there to inform him and request his contract be suspended/canceled so she could take on the new request. I doubt they were going to ask him to tag along let alone save her.

Having the MC suddenly say he would save her is commendable, and noble, but reckless and out of character. The MC might know her but she is at best an acquaintance (maybe a friend). The MC hasn't even proven that he has the capability to fulfill such a request yet. Could he bring himself to kill a person? What about taking on an entire bandit hideout? How would his Fiance fell about him doing this?

The First's motivations and priorities are all messed up and they are clearly clouding his judgement. And I personally find it problematic that he is constantly berating the MC for EVERYTHING. He's not trying to psych up the MC for motivation while being direct. He is harassing the MC for all of his short comings while the MC is still recovering from trauma. Even if the MC wasn't broken this would psychologically disturb most ppl.

On top of all that, lets say that the MC does exactly what the first says. The MC just collapsed out of nowhere w/o warning in front of everyone for seemingly no reason. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his capability regardless of his determination. Even if he were just a tag along, he might be a liability. No one in that room would trust him w/ such an important request. His Fiance might even suggest he is not well enough to go.

So congrats to the First for sabotaging his own personal agenda.

So far it just seems like this is a series that would work waaaaaay better as a weekly release instead. Is painful needing to wait 2 weeks between chapters

 

[keane6t4]

I'm finding myself fervently despising this story. The drip feed of chapters is a degree of it but the setup is just unbearable. The setup of having his ancestors to provide guidance is interesting, intriguing even. The MC also was not too useless or too overpowered and FMC sees him for who he is and that he is capable and is a solid foundation to build him back up.

He seems to be relatively well developed especially for his age but we have to suffer him being treated like he is useless from the perspective of his ancestors at every point in the story so far. The first ancestor has more screen time and lines in some of these partial chapters than anyone else, the story also seems to be building to MC proving him wrong but the First Ancestor's viewpoint on things has been atrocious and for some reason given so much weight in the story.

Even in this chapter he just gets to unload on MC despite the situation making zero sense and draining MC of having any agency in any decision yet again.

The fucking appeal for me is that the MC seems to have a solid head on his shoulders, capability, skill and a lot of room to grow. It looked like he could with no aid from the ancestors work his way up to beating his sister and reclaiming his place in the world, this makes him basically being made into an invalid throughout most days by the badgering of his ancestors draining his mana and not being able to assert himself in any scenario significantly feel atrocious.

Like what are we doing here, his flaws aren't in that he has an abundance of confidence or capability. He hasn't indulged in status, wealth or his talents, why does he need to be broken down so far and so consistently? Why does he get almost no room to make decisions or assert himself but the story has every decision and action he takes get torn down by his endless chorus of yappers?

Any rational person would've torn the orb off and put it on once a week to update them and tell them to shut up. This is so fucking weird and despite is only being chapter 11 it's gone on so long since every scenario is MC taking action 5% of the time and ancestors yapping for the rest. Unbearable. I have too much awareness and investment in the series to be able to drop it for a year and come back.

Seventh is a work that is divided into those who can read it and those who can't depending on whether they enjoy the interactions between ancestors or not. The first volume can kinda be a huge filter for most people since it's a full arc where the core characters are all at their worst, the biweekly release drawing it out doesn't help either. It would probably be way easier for new readers to binge read it when the chapter count grows so they don't need to fester on any given moment too long.

But even then the main character having something like perpetual chaperones that actively involve themselves in his life just isn't something you see mixed into this genre for good reason. The main characters typically cast off their prior shackles holding them back to take charge and live by their own rules but here Lyle goes from being opressed by one overwhelming force immediately to another and having his power awakening be gatekept so long seems counter intuitive. They kinda take alot of the initiative away from Lyle so I get the hate. I feel like the author wanted to play with tropes and turn them into mainstay advisors guiding the flow of his adventure rather than just a power up but the way it was implimented at the start was kinda clunky and abrasive. When I think about other series that have similar mentor focuses like HSDK and Revival Hunter they both have characters similar to the first but way less obnoxious and far less screentime

If it frustrates you that much I'd probably recommend just dropping it for a while until more characters appear and the story focuses on advancing the plot outside of the jewel rather than inside it. But even then while the ancestors would be less irritating their presence will never dissapear, for better or worse they become an anoyying chatroom harrasing the irl streamer while backseating him the entire way through

 

[Egakor]

As annoying as the ancestors are, it's necessary for the argument Lyle is going to make in the future if the LN follows the same path as the WN. It's because he knew how bad they were that he could make the right decision. I doubt the manga would go that far though.

 

[alfirizkyr]

Reading this in one sitting, the pace actually seems much more readable. But yeah, I suppose I can understand the impatience of having to wait 2 whole weeks for an update that's basically half a chapter long.

It's just annoying that Lyle is said to (and is later shown to still) have all the base capabilities that earned him the nickname 'prodigy' before Ceres suddenly turned Heretic Demigod, but none of the screentime to showcase that because he kept losing consciousness thanks to the ancestors' need to yap. Let the boy actually grow, dangit.

 

[Egakor]

The part you're all waiting for is near. The geezers in his head will

Spoiler

finally give him their skills. Well, they really were just waiting for The First to give his skills first and that blockhead is about to compromise.

The artist has been skipping some bits here and there to get to this moment.

 

[Egakor]

Also, this part was a very nice addition to the LN. Well, it's a fanservice for WN readers who knew The Fifth's backstory.

 

[ethian78]

Reading this in one sitting, the pace actually seems much more readable. But yeah, I suppose I can understand the impatience of having to wait 2 whole weeks for an update that's basically half a chapter long.

It's just annoying that Lyle is said to (and is later shown to still) have all the base capabilities that earned him the nickname 'prodigy' before Ceres suddenly turned Heretic Demigod, but none of the screentime to showcase that because he kept losing consciousness thanks to the ancestors' need to yap. Let the boy actually grow, dangit.

That's kinda the intended experience considering that it was originally realeased in a format where a new chapter was updated everyday for the year it took to finish the novel. The people who read it as it released probably got through this entire arc in the time it took to release a single chapter

 

[Egakor]

That's kinda the intended experience considering that it was originally realeased in a format where a new chapter was updated everyday for the year it took to finish the novel. The people who read it as it released probably got through this entire arc in the time it took to release a single chapter

To be fair, the author made The First more inconsiderate and insensitive in the LN so it became even more painful to read.

 

[Moth92]

If this becomes a love triangle only because the first ancestor wants MC to pursue Aria, I'm dropping this shit so fast.

It does have a harem tag after all...

Them again, it also has the erotica tag and I haven't seen anything that is even close to that....

 

[loithan8]

For anyone want to drop this, just one advice. Please bear with it. I have finished the novel. I know the beginning is unbearable. But it will worth your wait. It's the same author of "The World of Otome Games Is Tough for Mobs".
https://mangadex.org/title/28c77530...4/otomege-sekai-wa-mob-ni-kibishii-sekai-desu
So the story will interesting. I guarantee it. Get over the first arc. Wait until Lyle got hist first "Growth". You will see.