Shimotsuki-sensei no Amakunai Renai Kouza - Vol. 1 Ch. 1
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This is quite nice...
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Follow +1 can't wait to see updates (Another poisonous relationship)
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Interesting so far! Hopefully it'll be a gradual transformation from platonic to love.
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Ah, the "life lessons" imparted by the great sensei annoyed me to no end. Dumbing oneself down for a guy, stroking the guy's fragile ego... the best advice in that situation is to cut and cut cleanly. The female MC had the right mentality from the start. You can be nice and empathetic without bending over backward for someone.
Dropping this title.
Dropping this title.
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augh i need more. i really like the mc. she's strong but not unbearable. completely willing to learn and not naive. takes advice well and doesn't overly apply it. i'm in love. her design is cute too. the teacher isn't too bad either. i really like this manga. pls more !!!
i'd really like it more if she was clear about understanding that she doesn't need to lower herself for others but that she needs to learn to be able to do it anyway in order to advance her position in society :>
i'd really like it more if she was clear about understanding that she doesn't need to lower herself for others but that she needs to learn to be able to do it anyway in order to advance her position in society :>
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@syaochan
You're misinterpreting it. It's not her bending backwards, it's her giving the dude a chance to take the lead instead of going full mom-mode and planning for everything. Yeah, you absolutely shouldn't fake your personality, but listening to your partner and boosting their confidence is a good practice. Compromising isn't the same as faking it. If I had a boyfriend who planned everything without telling me or letting me try to give input, and kept pointing out my weaknesses, I'd not want to continue the relationship either. It's all about give-and-take. Sometimes, you gotta take the backseat and let your partner take the lead, ya' know?
You're misinterpreting it. It's not her bending backwards, it's her giving the dude a chance to take the lead instead of going full mom-mode and planning for everything. Yeah, you absolutely shouldn't fake your personality, but listening to your partner and boosting their confidence is a good practice. Compromising isn't the same as faking it. If I had a boyfriend who planned everything without telling me or letting me try to give input, and kept pointing out my weaknesses, I'd not want to continue the relationship either. It's all about give-and-take. Sometimes, you gotta take the backseat and let your partner take the lead, ya' know?
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It's been awhile since I read this, so I decided to re-read the chapter while carefully considering your take on it.
Unfortunately, it still hits all the wrong notes for me, relationship-wise. I'm all for give-and-take, but this chapter has shown me yet again that it was too much give for the FL (change dress style, change her interpersonal approach, change her usual method of efficiently managing things, which is who she really is) and too little take from her crush, who despite all her accommodations, still let the insecurity get the best of him. The ML's "you're not cute" line is also too condescending for me.
For context, I personally am in a relationship (15 years together, marrying him in Spring 2021, yay!) and my personality's similar to the FL. I didn't need to drastically change what makes who I am, and he didn't need to do it for me either. We changed a bit along the way as our perspectives matured, but I'm still mostly the efficient planner (the "mom" as you put it) and he takes care of the unexpected inconveniences that may crop up along the way. At times, the roles shift but we have mostly settled on this familiar, comfortable setup.
No conscious effort of "boosting someone's confidence"--whoever's better at something takes the lead, period.
Thanks for sharing your POV! I always appreciate an opportunity to chat in-depth about shoujo/josei reads. <3
It's been awhile since I read this, so I decided to re-read the chapter while carefully considering your take on it.
Unfortunately, it still hits all the wrong notes for me, relationship-wise. I'm all for give-and-take, but this chapter has shown me yet again that it was too much give for the FL (change dress style, change her interpersonal approach, change her usual method of efficiently managing things, which is who she really is) and too little take from her crush, who despite all her accommodations, still let the insecurity get the best of him. The ML's "you're not cute" line is also too condescending for me.
For context, I personally am in a relationship (15 years together, marrying him in Spring 2021, yay!) and my personality's similar to the FL. I didn't need to drastically change what makes who I am, and he didn't need to do it for me either. We changed a bit along the way as our perspectives matured, but I'm still mostly the efficient planner (the "mom" as you put it) and he takes care of the unexpected inconveniences that may crop up along the way. At times, the roles shift but we have mostly settled on this familiar, comfortable setup.
No conscious effort of "boosting someone's confidence"--whoever's better at something takes the lead, period.Thanks for sharing your POV! I always appreciate an opportunity to chat in-depth about shoujo/josei reads. <3
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@laiseran Thanks for the mention!
IMO, standing up for someone is always a nice thing to do, romantically or otherwise. But I take issue at how the ML framed it as a sole responsibility/personal flaw of the FL (i.e. "You're not cute"), instead of addressing it as a shared communication issue (FL is eager to impress her crush w/ the best version of herself, just like Uchida who just can't find the opportunity to do the same, but they both don't know that).
And that his "sage" advice was not to open up about how she feels, but to say things to make him feel good about himself (which is a bit patronizing to me). I reckon that if she opted to do the former, it would have boosted his confidence while also clearing the air for both of them.
Hope I made sense! =)
IMO, standing up for someone is always a nice thing to do, romantically or otherwise. But I take issue at how the ML framed it as a sole responsibility/personal flaw of the FL (i.e. "You're not cute"), instead of addressing it as a shared communication issue (FL is eager to impress her crush w/ the best version of herself, just like Uchida who just can't find the opportunity to do the same, but they both don't know that).
And that his "sage" advice was not to open up about how she feels, but to say things to make him feel good about himself (which is a bit patronizing to me). I reckon that if she opted to do the former, it would have boosted his confidence while also clearing the air for both of them.
Hope I made sense! =)
@syaochan No problem!
Yeah I think agree with what you are saying there, her problem is that she is too overbearing and fails to listen to others, but sensei acts like the what she really needs to do is act like a helpless little girl and tell Uchida what a big strong man he is. Which just isn't her at all.
Yeah I think agree with what you are saying there, her problem is that she is too overbearing and fails to listen to others, but sensei acts like the what she really needs to do is act like a helpless little girl and tell Uchida what a big strong man he is. Which just isn't her at all.
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Ah that sure was some advice, I mean if the only goal was for her to date Uchida then it would have worked. The problem was that they weren't compatible nor close enough to work on the issues as a couple so it wouldn't have been healthy for them anyway. FL shouldn't have been encouraged to change everything about herself for this one guy especially considering his self-esteem level was low enough that he couldn't handle an assertive woman.
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I don’t think you need to change yourself , but in relationships both sides need to agree to compromise... usually it just happens naturally with time, always communication is needed .
I will say the boy is too clumsy for her and she is too much of a control freak for him, not a good match. They don’t find those attributes endearing in each other.
I think the teacher is too extreme in his advice, she doesn’t need to change her aesthetics... she didn’t look terrible.
she was indeed too intense and needs to learn to make room for the other person to “shine “ as well.
I don’t think you need to change yourself , but in relationships both sides need to agree to compromise... usually it just happens naturally with time, always communication is needed .
I will say the boy is too clumsy for her and she is too much of a control freak for him, not a good match. They don’t find those attributes endearing in each other.
I think the teacher is too extreme in his advice, she doesn’t need to change her aesthetics... she didn’t look terrible.
she was indeed too intense and needs to learn to make room for the other person to “shine “ as well.
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Uchida hates strong women????
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I mean, i truly believe is better to be loved for who u are. Also, theres nothing wrong on given in to please others. But if u're doing it forced as she was or going against ur own nature to do so, it will be nothing more than a fake persona. Balance is important but u cant just stop being urself for others to like u, after all is not u they will like in the end.
Her problems have nothing to do with love specifically, is more of a personality issue she has to work on and learn from experience, thats normal.
Her problems have nothing to do with love specifically, is more of a personality issue she has to work on and learn from experience, thats normal.
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