Shinigami ni Sodaterareta Shoujo wa Shikkoku no Tsurugi wo Mune ni Idaku - Ch. 36 - The wall of flames

[Rex_Nichts]

How about you stop being a brat and attacking others for daring to disagree with you and pointing out why those commanders acted the way they did.

Why even bother scouting the area for ambushes if you think such a thing is useless. You are operating with information that those commanders didn’t have and for all they knew the enemy was just underestimating then and being cocky. It certainly would be warranted seeing as only the MC’s squad was doing well against them and the 7th army was being obliterated by their troops. When the people you trust to look for ambushes tells you that they didn’t find anyone then a normal commander would leap at the opportunity to get the head of a supreme commander.

Fact is that they weren’t being stupid but we’re acting on information that was available to them. Ashton had info they didn’t know and that’s how he came to that conclusion that they couldn’t come to. The head commanders also were able to figure it out as they have more experience than the other commanders and could use that experience to sus out what was going on. It’s easy for you to be an armchair commander and screech about how it’s obvious a trap but to the people in the actual war they didn’t realize what was going on. This is a realistic thing to happen as it has literally happened in real life where Alexander got ambushed in an obvious trap when he was chasing a retreating enemy. Was Alexander being an idiot when he fell for a trap?

Grow the f*ck up and stop lashing out at people. Be an adult instead of a petulant child.

How about ya'll actually tackle what I'm saying instead of throwing a red herring into the mix. I've been saying one thing but ya'll had been arguing another. I'm saying that this isn't as big a deal as the author is trying to make it out to be and ya'll are saying that the commanders are just too goddamn stupid for their own good. That they can't even tell what's left from right. Of course you trust your scouts but you also shouldn't be stupid enough to not take the entire context into the table. That's why you're a commander, you should take into account all the factors in the mix. You can see that the enemy supreme commander is cleaning her neck for you to chop when they don't even need to, no matter who you are, what you are, you would be suspicious of that. And if you have one more functioning brain cell, you'd realize that it's a trap. Maybe they wouldn't know what kind of trap it is, from where the enemy will come from or how many will surprise them. But it'd be very easy to see that it's suspicious. Especially since these are commanders who were active for more than 20 years and some even participated in wars from their youth.

See, if you read the thing, you'd notice that none has asked why the CK is doing what they're doing. All they did was say that it's madness. Because the author knows that once you start asking why, it would be clear as day that it's a trap. I don't get how ya'll are getting lost in the sauce. I'm saying only one thing. It shouldn't be as big of a deal as the author makes it out to be. If you could start actually arguing against that, then I will also be the adult you want me to be. And I have absolutely no idea what you mean by the thing about Alexander. You could've given me more context.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

How about ya'll actually tackle what I'm saying instead of throwing a red herring into the mix. I've been saying one thing but ya'll had been arguing another. I'm saying that this isn't as big a deal as the author is trying to make it out to be and ya'll are saying that the commanders are just too goddamn stupid for their own good. That they can't even tell what's left from right. Of course you trust your scouts but you also shouldn't be stupid enough to not take the entire context into the table. That's why you're a commander, you should take into account all the factors in the mix. You can see that the enemy supreme commander is cleaning her neck for you to chop when they don't even need to, no matter who you are, what you are, you would be suspicious of that. And if you have one more functioning brain cell, you'd realize that it's a trap. Maybe they wouldn't know what kind of trap it is, from where the enemy will come from or how many will surprise them. But it'd be very easy to see that it's suspicious. Especially since these are commanders who were active for more than 20 years and some even participated in wars from their youth.

See, if you read the thing, you'd notice that none has asked why the CK is doing what they're doing. All they did was say that it's madness. Because the author knows that once you start asking why, it would be clear as day that it's a trap. I don't get how ya'll are getting lost in the sauce. I'm saying only one thing. It shouldn't be as big of a deal as the author makes it out to be. If you could start actually arguing against that, then I will also be the adult you want me to be. And I have absolutely no idea what you mean by the thing about Alexander. You could've given me more context.

funny how you say that were the one's calling them idiots when you're the only one thats called them that. You can try to claim that im using a red herring but the fact of the matter is all youre doing is ignoring what i and others have said about why your logic is faulty. The commanders are trusting their scouts to relay accurate info. Afterall one doesnt make it far in war by ignoring what they say like you want them to do here. They arent idiots theyre just lacking in vital info. the only one calling them idiots is you.

youre ignoring the fact that there are many commanders that would be willing to sacrifice most of their men if it meant they got those sweet achievement points for taking the head of the enemy's SC. read Kingdom if you want to see examples of commanders sacrificing tens of thousands of soldiers if it meant they won the battle.

Youre also ignoring the fact that we have real world examples of commanders falling for traps that we view to have been super obvious. Even commanders as great as Alexander have fallen for traps so why do you expect these commanders to not do the same?

the big deal is the fact that the enemy SC is doing all of this trapping in order to kill a single squad. such a thing would be inconceivable to those unaware of the hate that SC has towards Olivia. This would be the equivalent of General Sheman using an army of tanks to kill a single captain in a war. such a thing would be illogical to those commanders and so they didnt take that into consideration in their plans.

lastly, you have to stop thinking that all commanders are the strategic type. some commanders are idiots and some bought their position or got daddy dearest to get the position for them. most are average and those are the types that were being shown in the meeting.

 

[Galatheus]

but because he held knowledge only the 7th division did (about killing the general)

I'm 99% sure the one who speaks about the dead Major General is Olivia, not Ashton, that's most likely why Claudia is shown surprised the following panel while looking at her.

 

[Rex_Nichts]

funny how you say that were the one's calling them idiots when you're the only one thats called them that. You can try to claim that im using a red herring but the fact of the matter is all youre doing is ignoring what i and others have said about why your logic is faulty. The commanders are trusting their scouts to relay accurate info. Afterall one doesnt make it far in war by ignoring what they say like you want them to do here. They arent idiots theyre just lacking in vital info. the only one calling them idiots is you.

youre ignoring the fact that there are many commanders that would be willing to sacrifice most of their men if it meant they got those sweet achievement points for taking the head of the enemy's SC. read Kingdom if you want to see examples of commanders sacrificing tens of thousands of soldiers if it meant they won the battle.

Youre also ignoring the fact that we have real world examples of commanders falling for traps that we view to have been super obvious. Even commanders as great as Alexander have fallen for traps so why do you expect these commanders to not do the same?

the big deal is the fact that the enemy SC is doing all of this trapping in order to kill a single squad. such a thing would be inconceivable to those unaware of the hate that SC has towards Olivia. This would be the equivalent of General Sheman using an army of tanks to kill a single captain in a war. such a thing would be illogical to those commanders and so they didnt take that into consideration in their plans.

lastly, you have to stop thinking that all commanders are the strategic type. some commanders are idiots and some bought their position or got daddy dearest to get the position for them. most are average and those are the types that were being shown in the meeting.

I really don't understand what you're not getting here man. My point is plain and simple. Author is dumbing everyone down to make Ashton look good. What he did wasn't a big deal. He shouldn't get a standing ovation for that. That's all. But here you are on a full winter soldier episode about history and how these characters think. What he did wasn't amazing or anything noteworthy, he was just stating the painfully obvious. He shouldn't be branded as smart for that. That's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

Of course, your points are all valid, but that's not what I'm arguing about at all. You're screaming at a phantom.

Commanders should trust their scouts, that's true. But that's irrelevant to my point. To argue with this one, though. You shouldn't take everything they say at face value. That's why they're the eyes and ears and you're the brain.

Commanders are hungry for achievements and honor, that's true. But I never said they weren't.

The CK was targeting only Olivia, alright. That's true. That's besides my point.

Not all commanders are the strategic type, that's true. I never argued they weren't. I'm just saying that they should at least think for a few seconds before they give out their orders.

My point is that Ashton isn't smart and he's not putting anything groundbreaking into the table. He gave the most painfully obvious observation at the moment and even if nobody saw it before he pointed it out, it shouldn't be too big of a deal after he did. Because that's just stupid. That's not a realistic reaction. This is all I'm saying and that this will get real old real fast if used all the time.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

I really don't understand what you're not getting here man. My point is plain and simple. Author is dumbing everyone down to make Ashton look good. What he did wasn't a big deal. He shouldn't get a standing ovation for that. That's all. But here you are on a full winter soldier episode about history and how these characters think. What he did wasn't amazing or anything noteworthy, he was just stating the painfully obvious. He shouldn't be branded as smart for that. That's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

Of course, your points are all valid, but that's not what I'm arguing about at all. You're screaming at a phantom.

Commanders should trust their scouts, that's true. But that's irrelevant to my point. To argue with this one, though. You shouldn't take everything they say at face value. That's why they're the eyes and ears and you're the brain.

Commanders are hungry for achievements and honor, that's true. But I never said they weren't.

The CK was targeting only Olivia, alright. That's true. That's besides my point.

Not all commanders are the strategic type, that's true. I never argued they weren't. I'm just saying that they should at least think for a few seconds before they give out their orders.

My point is that Ashton isn't smart and he's not putting anything groundbreaking into the table. He gave the most painfully obvious observation at the moment and even if nobody saw it before he pointed it out, it shouldn't be too big of a deal after he did. Because that's just stupid. That's not a realistic reaction. This is all I'm saying and that this will get real old real fast if used all the time.

I really don’t care. Did it seriously take you almost 5 month to say all that?

 

[Rex_Nichts]

I really don’t care. Did it seriously take you almost 5 month to say all that?

I was gonna leave it at that but people are still reacting to my replies believing your red herrings and misdirection. Blood was getting to my head when I last replied so now that I've calmed down, I just want to set the records straight.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

I was gonna leave it at that but people are still reacting to my replies believing your red herrings and misdirection. Blood was getting to my head when I last replied so now that I've calmed down, I just want to set the records straight.

I wasn’t remotely being fallacious in my comments to you. Something isn’t a fallacy just cause it’s pointing out what you’re wrong about.

 

[orangerain7734]

Not being able to stop squeaking her armor... I can understand that. When you find an object that emits a peculiar noise you don't find utterly unpleasant, it can be difficult to resist purposefully making the noise. Someone else might have felt uncomfortable or embarrassing to keep squeaking in the middle of a meeting, but we are talking about Olivia here.

Like the sound of pulling out a straw from a mcdonald's cup, it's oddly fun to the one doing it, not so much for those around them.