Shouwaru Tensai Osananajimi to no Shoubu ni Makete Hatsutaiken o Zenbu Ubawareru Hanashi - Ch. 3.1

[MOTRDS]

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[T-sama]

1. I would say it's important to point out the hypocrisy of complaining about whataboutism even in this comment but it's magically ok when you do it?

2. Meanwhile you often reply to like 3-4 people in comments don't really see much of a difference between that and leaving seperate comments for each reply. That being said I do admit I am going overboard.

3. Yes being mean and bullying a person doing free work for no other reason other then poor quality to me is far more important then the quality of work. I don't want the things I consume to be made by someone who bullies any others in attempts to stop just so they are the only work that can bee seen. Like don't like it don't read it or comment about it idk why this concept is hard.

4. To say the entire subject is just about mtl quality is a giant strawman when this drama would not have even started if it wasn't for Kirin as you put it "being mean."

1. yes, I'm a hypocrite like every human being to have ever existed, and?
still doesn't change the fact that so far nobody gave an actual argument of why garbage mtl should be accepted.
it was still all whataboutism, deflection, denial, misdirection.
me being a hypocrite don't invalidate my arguments.

2. true I do reply a little too much perhaphs, but not spamming because I don't clog the discussion, plus some of my comments have hours between them, not my fault if not many people talked by then.
also, even if I reply to multiple people I try to keep it as short as possible, so that's irrelevant.

3. "free work" is a bullshit excuse, this isn't work, it's worthless pathetic waste of time to get attention when a better translation already existed, if I went rub shit in your house would you be happy because I said it was free work?
we both know the answer for that.
your low standards are your own problem, people have no obligation of lowering themselves to your level.
also, it's utterly laughable that you whine about bullying when Bakwan TL isn't even here, because they literally don't give a single fuck about it, they're not even defending themselves, they just added a pathetic excuse in the first page to appease idiots who eat garbage, they got their pat in the back from people like you, that's all that matters for them.

as for what you want and your feelings, don't like it, don't read it, nobody forcing you to read Kirin-kun translation or paticipate in the discussion, and your opinion will continue to be discarded because it don't have anything to do with the real problem, problem by the way that is the real cause of the "bullying" you whine about, if people didn't release garbage they wouldn't get backlash.
also, nobody has obligation to give a single fuck about your feelings, if you want to talk about your feelings go cry on twitter.

4. now that is an actual strawman, because the entire drama literally only happens because of idiots releasing garbage, this would literally never happen if some random moron who don't know english or japanese decided to "translate" a manga.
is Kirin-kun a little of an asshole at times? yes absolutely, but you still can't counter any of their actual arguments, you only use whataboutism, deflection, denial, misdirection, appeal to emotion.
seriously, it's not even really about Kirin-kun, this kinda of drama happens every single time some loser low effort snipes a serie being translated by someone else, every single fucking time, the fact that you focus solely on Kirin-kun proves how much of a strawman argument this is.
you're literally projecting your own grievances of "harrassement" and "bullying" on Kirin-kun.
this is all cause and effect, do shit on the internet and you'll get backlash, what a shock, if you can't deal with how the internet is go to a echo chamber safe space instead.

opinion once again discarded because not even once you're able to defend garbage mtl for garbage mtl sake.
plus it's pathetically hilarious how you all white knight for Bakwan TL when they're not even here, they started the fire in the circus and they're having fun watching the clowns run around since this kind of thing causes drama every single fucking time.
so I guess good job Bakwan TL, you fucking did it

 

[Trevoga]

This is too much drama for my tastes lol. And it's clear that trying to add something in good faith won't result in anything. So I'll just sit back and eat some popcorn, hoping that Rehashed might one day bring their version back here. If not, not a big loss, this manga doesn't look that great tbh.

 

[T-sama]

This is not a useful argument because the barrier for entry to throw up an MTL is incredibly small and a snipe on its own already does a lot of damage to the morale of translation groups that take time and effort to put out a good product, even before the fact that a vast number of Mangadex readers seem to be completely happy to lap up the fast work over the good work. 'Don't like don't read' doesn't do a thing to address the problems that MTL will cause on a larger scale. As I said above, the only way to try to affect this is to push back in comments and raise concerns. I don't think I've written anything in either of my posts that is 'mean or bullying'. A proofread was actively requested by the uploader. (Though not read, obviously, because why bother? Just slam some more stuff into ichigo.)

In fact, hell, let's take the question of MTL out of this entirely. Like I said in my first proofread, Bakwan has over 40 uploads at this point. Each chapter still has elementary grammar errors that would take half an hour of proofreading to fix. The fact that they don't do that shows a marked lack of respect for you as a reader. Why are you okay with that?

they don't care unfortunately, all they care about is "muh feelings", as long as someone put "effort" they'll accept any garbage

100+ messages.........
Anyone can provide a short summary?

yuri is good
yuri had good translator
which is good
shitty garbage sniper do mtl
which is bad
good translator complain
people white knight garbage sniper
drama
good translator gone
sad

 

[willis112]

how much are you sucking Kirin D? how easy you glossed over their garbage behavior !!! there will forever be less that stellar translation cuz the amount of untranslated storys are SKY HIGH, so bitch and whine cuz they exist,

Obviously MTL is better than nothing, but in this case there is an objectively superior upload (Rehashed) compared to Bakwan, but he chooses to antagonize them rather than focus on the untranslated stories you mention.

I've seen you in other threads and all you do is get angry and disparage others, using poor grammar and vulgar language. Consider the fact that the opinions and perceptions of others are influenced by your choice of language and how you present yourself.

P.S.: CURSE OF RA 𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 𓀉 𓀊 𓀋 𓀌 𓀍 𓀎 𓀏 𓀐 𓀑 𓀒 𓀓 𓀔 𓀕 𓀖 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀚 𓀛 𓀜 𓀝 𓀞 𓀟 𓀠 𓀡 𓀢 𓀣 𓀤 𓀥 𓀦 𓀧 𓀨 𓀩 𓀪 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀲 𓀳 𓀴 𓀵 𓀶 𓀷 𓀸 𓀹 𓀺 𓀻 𓀼 𓀽 𓀾 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 𓁄 𓁅 𓁆 𓁇 𓁈 𓁉 𓁊 𓁋 𓁍 𓁎 𓁏 𓁐 𓁑

 

[JadeSleeps]

This is not a useful argument because the barrier for entry to throw up an MTL is incredibly small and a snipe on its own already does a lot of damage to the morale of translation groups that take time and effort to put out a good product, even before the fact that a vast number of Mangadex readers seem to be completely happy to lap up the fast work over the good work. 'Don't like don't read' doesn't do a thing to address the problems that MTL will cause on a larger scale. As I said above, the only way to try to affect this is to push back in comments and raise concerns. I don't think I've written anything in either of my posts that is 'mean or bullying'. A proofread was actively requested by the uploader. (Though not read, obviously, because why bother? Just slam some more stuff into ichigo.)

In fact, hell, let's take the question of MTL out of this entirely. Like I said in my first proofread, Bakwan has over 40 uploads at this point. Each chapter still has elementary grammar errors that would take half an hour of proofreading to fix. The fact that they don't do that shows a marked lack of respect for you as a reader. Why are you okay with that?

True! that sentence wasn't good I will keep it there for transparency sake. Also I wasn't talking about you when talking about bullying, you are fine and do good work trying to help. I do agree that mtl can be problematic. I just don't think that harrassing or insulting someone just because they do mtl is ok or anywhere close to the solution to the fact mtl can have major conquences. Mtl translators usually are not doing anything maliciously they're just fans of the work who have no skills. It's gross when they don't take positive feedback and improve. Def a sign of unintentional disrespect. It's just imo the other translator went far beyond what I found acceptable so for this case I would rather support mtl then support that translator in specific. I apologize for the fact my position in this "debate" is a little confusing.

 

[metal4orce]

Shouwara Tensai Osananajimi to no Shoubu ni Makete Hatsutaiken o Zenbu Ubawarere Hanashi peaked in the first chapter with the thigh hold

 

[ThatAverageZam]

I have to correct something: I don't delay anything. I always post simultaneously to MD and Dynasty.

EXCEPT for this series, because I can't be bothered to compete with a clown.

While I respect your decision I personally think this is the wrong approach to address the problems.

The overall acceptance of bad translations is quite simply the lack of an alternative, by removing higher quality translations you increase the dependency on the bad ones, this fuels the problem you're fighting against.

I might be wrong, but I believe there is an ability to ignore certain uploaders. If this is such a thing, use it. Firstly, you don't see the bad translations, but also it's metrics could be used by MangaDex to highlight perpetual bad uploaders. E.g. if an uploader is blocked by a large number of people that's a pretty good signal for any form of moderative investigation.

 

[foxhumilis]

While I respect your decision I personally think this is the wrong approach to address the problems.

The overall acceptance of bad translations is quite simply the lack of an alternative, by removing higher quality translations you increase the dependency on the bad ones, this fuels the problem you're fighting against.

I might be wrong, but I believe there is an ability to ignore certain uploaders. If this is such a thing, use it. Firstly, you don't see the bad translations, but also it's metrics could be used by MangaDex to highlight perpetual bad uploaders. E.g. if an uploader is blocked by a large number of people that's a pretty good signal for any form of moderative investigation.

Personally I've long advocated that MD should allow for an MTL tag that groups can self-assign. That way the site wouldn't have to deal with manually tagging anything as such, and groups which are already pretty open and upfront about being just MTL can include them.

 

[ThatAverageZam]

Personally I've long advocated that MD should allow for an MTL tag that groups can self-assign. That way the site wouldn't have to deal with manually tagging anything as such, and groups which are already pretty open and upfront about being just MTL can include them.

Please note that I (intentionally) made no reference to MTL.

I think that quality is the determining factor in this, rather than the method. For example, someone with no experience in a language could manually attempt to translate a chapter painstakingly word by word using a dictionary, that does not guarantee a quality translation.

Likewise someone who is perfectly fluent in the language being translated could use MTL to generate the base text (speeds up their work) and then use their expertise to resolve any inaccuracies, that does not guarantee a bad translation.

As for your tag idea and assuming that there are people so adamantly against / for MTL they want to avoid /read it at all costs, I don't think it actually solves the problem. Since it's optionally applied by the group, you end up in the same situation as without it, those upfront about it apply the tag, and those that aren't don't. All it really does is add searchability and remove the step of reading the splash page / group name that has MTL in big capitals

Perhaps there is some value in the searchability but I still think Following/blocking certain groups is the best method for interacting with different types of translators.

 

[erellisae]

The overall acceptance of bad translations is quite simply the lack of an alternative, by removing higher quality translations you increase the dependency on the bad ones, this fuels the problem you're fighting against.

I don't think this is true - there's a lot of series that get snipe wars. Even if there's a higher quality group around the majority of the E N G A G E M E N T always goes to the first version that gets put up, and right now that's the only means you have to determine how popular your version is. It's a tricky problem and the moment Mangadex try to police it they're suddenly responsible for a lot of quality decisions on the site. You can't just ban someone because a lot of people have decided their work is subpar because what if they are picking up series that no-one else has, or what if someone organizes a brigade of downvoting?

Also, this still doesn't address the problem where snipes feel really bad for scanslators to see. Even if no-one read them at all it'd still suck to see them crop up.

The best solution is probably a mixture of a rating system and a view counter but this is rapidly getting above my armchair rubbernecker paygrade. Until then all you can do is call it out.