Site Update - 14th of May 2025

[xEternalSoul]

Pirating manga is like sneaking on the bus, the bus is going regardless, but if enough people sneak on the bus it’ll be unprofitable and the bus route will have fewer routes or the bus route might be removed completely. Same for manga, it’ll get axed if people don’t pay for it. If you actually care for the manga and want to continue reading it, you should buy and support it.

From what I have read, JP publishers don't care whether we are paying for manga. Whether a manga is axed or not is entirely based on local popularity.

 

[T-sama]

From what I have read, JP publishers don't care whether we are paying for manga. Whether a manga is axed or not is entirely based on local popularity.

Filthy gaijin opinion literally never mattered for them, we're not their primary targed audience after all.

It's telling that the few rare times westerners saved a series, Watamote being another example if I remember correctly, before the retooling, is because we buy the raw version which actually affects how well the series is doing.

 

[bondejeger]

From what I have read, JP publishers don't care whether we are paying for manga. Whether a manga is axed or not is entirely based on local popularity.

It’s based on sales. A sale is the same whether it’s someone Japanese or not. See Love Bullet recently for an obvious example.

 

[T-sama]

It’s based on sales. A sale is the same whether it’s someone Japanese or not. See Love Bullet recently for an obvious example.

Objetively wrong, Japanese publishers only care about Japanese numbers.

They care if the original raw version is sold, licensed version that is sold by westen branch? Not really, cause the numbers are infinitely smaller compared to Japanese numbers.

Fact that you used Love Bullet as example is particurlaly funny since it's not licensed, so any sale is counted as being for the Japanese publisher, which is how they gauge a series popularity.

 

[Dor1tos]

Pirating manga is like sneaking on the bus, the bus is going regardless, but if enough people sneak on the bus it’ll be unprofitable and the bus route will have fewer routes or the bus route might be removed completely. Same for manga, it’ll get axed if people don’t pay for it. If you actually care for the manga and want to continue reading it, you should buy and support it.

That's an appeal to emotion.
The company deciding to charge more than a product is worth or charging money for badly done work is the party that's ultimately responsible for a lack of sales. The onus of ensuring a product is successful does not fall on the consumer.

 

[bondejeger]

That's an appeal to emotion.
The company deciding to charge more than a product is worth or charging money for badly done work is the party that's ultimately responsible for a lack of sales. The onus of ensuring a product is successful does not fall on the consumer.

So if you lose the oppurtunity to take the bus, and you have to walk every day instead, it’s an appeal to emotion huh.

 

[bondejeger]

Objetively wrong, Japanese publishers only care about Japanese numbers.

They care if the original raw version is sold, licensed version that is sold by westen branch? Not really, cause the numbers are infinitely smaller compared to Japanese numbers.

Fact that you used Love Bullet as example is particurlaly funny since it's not licensed, so any sale is counted as being for the Japanese publisher, which is how they gauge a series popularity.

I have been talking about Japanese raws the entire time. Have you already forgotten that we talked about this an hour ago or something.

 

[T-sama]

I have been talking about Japanese raws the entire time. Have you already forgotten that we talked about this an hour ago or something.

That's a fucking lie, all the time you constantly kept whining about piracy and people not buying the manga, which means buying the licensed version, raws were never in the picture because 99% would never bother buying something they can't consume, expecting otherwise is honestly being delirious.

 

[bondejeger]

That's a fucking lie, all the time you constantly kept whining about piracy and people not buying the manga, which means buying the licensed version, raws were never in the picture because 99% would never bother buying something they can't consume, expecting otherwise is honestly being delirious.

Why don’t you go back and read my comments properly.

 

[T-sama]

Why don’t you go back and read my comments properly.

Why when you keep repeating the same unconvicing arguments all the time? Mostly appealing to emotion, and when things don't go your way and you get a counter argument you simply resort to "you just don't want to pay!".

https://imgur.com/a/DKKga5q

 

[bondejeger]

Why when you keep repeating the same unconvicing arguments all the time? Mostly appealing to emotion, and when things don't go your way and you get a counter argument you simply resort to "you just don't want to pay!".

https://imgur.com/a/DKKga5q

How is the manga getting axed so you can’t read it anymore appealing to emotions. You literally can’t read it if it gets axed.

 

[T-sama]

How is the manga getting axed so you can’t read it anymore appealing to emotions. You literally can’t read it if it gets axed.

Me not being able to read a manga is entirely affecting me emotionally, we don't read manga because we need to, we read manga entirely based on emotions, to feel happy, sad, entertained.

Not being able to read a manga cause it got axed is basically a emotional response, "man this fucking sucks".

We feel disappointed because we liked it, no matter how bad it was.

We don't read manga for logical reasons.

Your entire argument is completely about how we feel about a series being axed, appeal to emotion in its most basic form.

Cause a series being axed literally only affects us emotionally.

And when you talk about the mangaka it boils down to "b-but think of the mangaka hard work!", which is also appeal to emotion.

The most generous alternative read to some of your arguments is appeal to morality, since piracy is arguably morally bad, but then you ignore the entire nuance of the situation to keep whining on how we're bad for pirating manga.

 

[bondejeger]

Me not being able to read a manga is entirely affecting me emotionally, we don't read manga because we need to, we read manga entirely based on emotions, to feel happy, sad, entertained.

Not being able to read a manga cause it got axed is basically a emotional response, "man this fucking sucks".

We feel disappointed because we liked it, no matter how bad it was.

We don't read manga for logical reasons.

Your entire argument is completely about how we feel about a series being axed, appeal to emotion in its most basic form.

Cause a series being axed literally only affects us emotionally.

And when you talk about the mangaka it boils down to "b-but think of the mangaka hard work!", which is also appeal to emotion.

The most generous alterna tive read to some of your arguments is appeal to morality, since piracy is arguably morally bad, but then you ignore the entire nuance of the situation to keep whining on how we're bad for pirating manga.

Like I wrote earlier, I honestly don’t get why you read manga in the first place. Maybe you should find another interest that you actually enjoy.

 

[T-sama]

Like I wrote earlier, I honestly don’t get why you read manga in the first place. Maybe you should find another interest that you actually enjoy.

And instead of giving an actual argument to refute everything I say you start to talk about me as a person, which just reinforces that all you have is appeal to emotion, at best appeal to morality.

Every time you're against the wall and without argument you shift to the person, completely ignoring what they actually said.

 

[shoujocon]

There's a third possibility as well that some people have been suggesting:

3. A third party law firm approached those publishers saying they'll nuke mangadex if hired for a small fee. Since those old geezer hate piracy but wouldn't be bothered to do paperwork, they'd happily hand over the permission to strike and boom.

personally i never understood why and why would that make any difference to the scanlators or the readers. yes, companies do hire people, not every company has to have a legal department for everything so they hire a specialized law firm. just like individuals hire contractors or use services, even in legal area like tax accountants, divorce lawyers, etc.

 

[bondejeger]

And instead of giving an actual argument to refute everything I say you start to talk about me as a person, which just reinforces that all you have is appeal to emotion, at best appeal to morality.

Every time you're against the wall and without argument you shift to the person, completely ignoring what they actually said.

Because your arguments are fallacious and flawed. How can I argument against someone who thinks that a manga gets cancelled so you can’t read it just catering to pathos. You literally can’t read it. How more logos can it be.

 

[T-sama]

Because your arguments are fallacious and flawed. How can I argument against someone who thinks that a manga gets cancelled so you can’t read it just catering to pathos. You literally can’t read it. How more logos can it be.

The irony of accusing me of that when multiple people argued against you and all you have is still appeal to emotion, at best appeal to morality.

The fact that you accuse me of not being able to read is honestly, hilarious, since multiple people gave multiple arguments from different angles, but all you can say is "you just don't want to pay!", without ever actually refuting their arguments.

I said before and I'll repeat, you're not convincing anyone, not even one single person.

 

[bondejeger]

That something is shit so you shouldn’t have to pay for it isn’t as good of an argument that you think it is. Because if you didn’t want it, you wouldn’t read it. But still you do, making your whole reasoning void.

 

[T-sama]

That something is shit so you shouldn’t have to pay for it isn’t as good of an argument that you think it is. Because if you didn’t want it, you wouldn’t read it. But still you do, making your whole reasoning void.

I never said that something is shit so you shouldn't have to pay for it, you're literally lying, at best completely misunderstanding what I said, plus cherrypicking cause I did multiple arguments from different angles.

What I said is that a lot of series are objetively shit, so if the only alternative people had is to buy then they wouldn't read it, because they would have other series they prefer to buy.

People know many series are shit, shallow low effort garbage, they read because they can do it for free, cause vast majority wouldn't pay overpriced manga to read slop.

 

[BakedBanana]

..Arguments aside, looks like we got to 1,000 messages.