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Thanks for the chapter
As I said, you need to get a grip. I explained a variety of differences: [ul]between your claim that everyone here complaining about the pace were leechers and the truth;You haven't explained ANYTHING! You simply wave your hand and assume everything you say is automatically substantiated.
No, I didn't. I said that you understood that monetization didn't necessarily require that the audience buy the content.And as for the monetization issue, that is contradictory. You say I understand that monetization is still present
No, I didn't. I said that you lost sight of that point, in taking me necessarily to have assumed that the audience were paying for the content.then say I insinuate its not.
Wrong. Now I will explain why that is wrong. First, costs are best forgone alternatives, so royalties that could have been realized but are not are in fact a loss. Further, while the license fees for the present work will not be lost, if that work does not sell well, then potential licensees will be less willing and simply less able to license future work.Right holders license their series because its just additional revenue. They get license fees and some royalties, but if the series fails in the licensed market they don't make any losses,
If a purpose of the work is to generate pecuniary profit, then that makes the effects of structure on successful licensing — not only of the present work but of future work — significant to how the work should be structured.You can argue that licensing is a significant act as long as it generates revenue...but that does not mean it's significant to how the series should be written or structured,
Your use of “the group” here is vague. What I have explicitly argued is that consumers of bootlegged scanlations are significant. What I have implicitly held is that the opinions expressed here about the pacing of this story are going to be a meaningful sample of the opinions of those consumers more generally.You argue that this group is significant,
No, you're delivering a utter non sequitur. When it suits your attempts at refutation, you treat the term “significant” as if it means most significant, yet you trip over yourself by using the expression “less significant” with its ordinary sense.but since we're talking about how the manga is written and distributed, you would also have to argue that other demographics are less significant.
Nope. Instead, I'm going to suggest that the story could be told in a way that would cost far fewer Japanese readers than would be gained in readers of other languages. (On the other hand, I'm also going to reiterate my earlier suggestion that the slow pacing was chosen for commercial reasons; making the readers happier might cut into the profits.)So, are you ready to argue that this tiny, oh-so-special group of "anglophonic" readers should have even half or 10% of the influence of readers in Japan?
Yeah, I'm glad that you're finally acknowledging that.You can argue one market being more significant doesn't make another insignificant...
Again, get a grip. The opposite of a truth is a falsehood, so obviously if I'm not going to claim that the opposite of what I've argued is true. (And the reverse oif what I've argued would be that one potential market being insignificant doesn't make another more significant actually would be true, because two potential markets could both be insgnificant.)well neither is the opposite true.
Who the Hell are you calling “you” here?You need to draw the line somewhere.
You seem not to know what the word “unique” means; in any case, you are writing incoherently.Even if I assume all the unique views on the top 3 aggregator sites are unique between each other, then also assume EVERY one of them will buy the volume sales, instead of just 1% or even 10%. It won't even make up 10% of what the volume sales are so far.
Nope. The Anglophonic market is sufficient to sustain multiple publishers.It's insignificant.
What I've got from you has been a mixture of mostly false and easily exploded claims, and literal incoherence.And I've just shown you
What I've done is pointed to the illogic of your argument; issues of logic aren't a matter of presenting something like sales figures. Moreover, you've presented hypothetical percentages, but what actual substantiating facts you've presented haven't been of a different sort than those that I've presented.while you substantiate your view with nothing but your "analysis". Which thanks to your lack of any substantiating facts, is really more your unsupported "opinion".
Where do you think you are?Do yall have anything better to do other than argue about manga?
No. I had a guess, but then you used them around “opinion”.You know why I use the quotes? You know why,
Well, no it isn't. Sarcasm is a rhetorical form in which one says what does not actually mean, in a manner meant to convey that one does not actually mean it. But you did and do mean to dismiss my remarks as mere opinion. It isn't a function of quotation marks to simply indicate sneering, which is what you apparently were trying.I use them because it's called sarcasm.
No, I don't. One of your problems here is that you compensate for your lack of language skill by telling yourself that others are pretentious.And you think that makes you sound clever,
No, I wasn't looking for “equivocation”. You arrived at a conclusion (that I “would also have to argue that other demographics are less significant”) that didn't follow from the premises; that is the usually sense of “non sequitur”. Now, it's true that, in this case, a misuse use of a term plays some rôle, but I wasn't and am not sure that the misuse was an equivocation as such.You use terms like "non sequitur" and bank on the idea that it explains itself. Which by the way, is a logical fault or gap, but you imply it's due to the misuse or vagueness of a term. The term you are looking for is equivocation,
Here is the hand-waving, and it is entirely yours. I systematically showed what was wrong with your arguments, and you respond with abuse and with a refusal either to go at any point or to acknowledge your errors.As is the careful nitpicking of my post you last posted, which ranges from even more cherry picking, to more sweeping assumptions or dismissals with no substantiation, to the very use of the same fallacies you accuse me of in order to argue against said fallacies, to inept use of legal terminology.
No. I've been arguing pretty much the same way from the outset.you've basically moved on
You want to believe that you can somehow produce an argument that is correct in every important way despite being of worthless form.to turning this into a criticism of my argument's form rather than any issue with the topic itself.
Again, you are hand-waving.I'm not continuing an empty debate where anything I say is simply struck down by any convenient false logic
And, again, rather than facing your shortcomings, you are telling yourself that someone else is pretentious.conceived by a dilettante more interested in his own appearance of cleverness. Is that why you use such a pretentious user name?
You entered the discussion railing. My response to you was not to rail in kind, but simply to point-out that what you claimed was true of everyone here simply wasn't. Your response was to become still more belligerent, instead of more thoughtful.Rail against that all you like,
Well, that salve for your wounds will keep you from truly healing.it's enough to know that someone somewhere, called you out and knows what you're trying to do.