So I'm a Spider, So What? - Vol. 7 Ch. 34.1

[Raneyd]

@Qelix
I didn't read anything exept manga, so everything I written was in manga. Thats all. And when I wrote about mother and her influence - that was my opinion, based on things from manga

 

[criver]

@Kaarme That's some nice mental gymnastics you have going on there. It doesn't take a genius to see that she's morally corrupt and has no integrity whatsoever.

Everything that happened afterwards, the humans brought it upon themselves.

Not really, she just wanted to farm them for xp.

That's precisely every bit as evil as what you accused her of.

Do you consider a human's life to be equal to an animal's life?

It's perfect mutual understanding, which makes it not evil.

That's some lapse in logic. Having an understanding that both sides may die doesn't excuse her actions. By the same logic we should scrap the Geneva convention and celebrate wartime atrocities.

Like a fair duel back in the 17th century wouldn't have been evil, even if someone got killed.

Typical false analogy. First, duels in the 17th century were stupid and evil. Second this is not a fair duel, it's more like she has a tank and they have a stick to fight with.

It was to find the exit, but if you were a human who barely survived, would you care?

So because she left them alive, only because they were useful to her alive, that somehow counts as a positive towards her morality? Say what?

It's beyond clear that she's evil, this is not even a grey area, she's literally an amoral mass murderer, and her capacity for empathy MIA. I don't know what you've been smoking, but it's clear she's a full blown psychopath.

 

[mahtan]

@criver
They burned her home and attacked her before she attacked them.
If the situation were to be human x human it would have been justified.

 

[supermonkey123]

Guys, guys, we all know for sure humans are 1 million times more evil than spiders.

 

[miyako19]

@mahtan If it was you in the human's party, I bet you would do the same thing as them too. Don't say that when you are in a RPG, you didn't try to kill a monster you met?
She can make another home and their attack can't harm her so she can just try to communicate or leave them alone. All they see is a giant spider monster and the norm when you see a monster is to attack it first before it kills you. They don't know that she is intelligent and will leave them alone if they didn't attack her. She can find a way to clear the misunderstanding.
It is obvious she is a psychopath. You didn't see the " EXP" words echoes in her mind? She just wants to farm them for EXP/

 

[Qelix]

@Kaarme: Finally we disagree on something. And that's okay too. 😁 Well, they came to kill monsters.

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Actually to investigate, why so many monsters vanished, wandered into other regions and if a strong monster is the reason for that, to either subjugate it or flee and report.

Therefore they knew what they had coming. Those other monsters also hunt humans as they are so precious and nutritious. From a human POV this is evil, from a non-sentient monsters perspective, not so much.
But Kumo is sentient. And she is powerful in comparison to those soldiers. And she knew that! She could have choose to not harm them too bad, as she is a reincarnated human

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at this point she still believes that

and wanted to communicate with human society. Know one could ask, "Why should she? They attacked first." But that kind of thing is what a evil person would ask herself/himself in such a situation and act accordingly.

They attacked first, because they thought of her as a mindless beast. An understandable mistake to make. If you meet 500 monsters and not one of them asks, "Hey! How's it hanging?" but all want to eat your face, you tend to attack first. Yet again, she was aware of misunderstanding and could have been merciful, instead she was merciless. Those few that escaped did so to fulfill another purpose. There is not one ounce of goodness hidden within that. (Now if they would have burned down her wood house, stable, her farmland and favorite pet dog, now then things would have been different, but as they stand...)

I'm not just accusing her that she might have acted evil in that situation, I say she did act evil there _{(from a human POV that is)}.

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@supermonkey123: Guys, guys, we all know for sure humans are 1 million times more evil than spiders.

Well, that's some truetrue. Can't argue that.

 

[miyako19]

@supermonkey123 Spiders are evil. I didn't do anything to them and they still bit me while I was sleeping and ended up with a swollen leg. I left them alive before but after that incident, I kill them with no mercy.

 

[nachtness]

weII, kumo is sociopath since previous Iife IoI

 

[Mah_Buddy_Keith]

Even if Kumoko-chan is a merciless psychopath, she's still a cutie in my eyes.

 

[Ovnidemon]

I think her monster body is influencing her thoughts. While the first kills were accidental, she could have immobilized the rest. There was no need for killing.

 

[kilisloe]

@Ovnidemon
If they attacked me, I would've killed them too. There was plenty of reasons to kill them.

 

[criver]

@mahtan I don't know where you live, but mass murder is not justified even if your house got burned down and you got attacked. She could easily clear up the misunderstanding and get compensation. In fact she initially 'didn't want to kill' (or did she), but after tasting that sweet xp, all moral considerations flew out the window. There's no doubt that she's killing them for xp, so I don't get why people have to try and twist it. Does it bother you that much that you're reading a manga about a psychopath?

@kilisloe Especially that xp, amiright?

 

[ThunderSkelett]

Can't wait for the alaba fight

 

[mahtan]

@criver
Not really, but you are wrong. If your life is at risk killing the assailants is acceptable. Wheter it is for the XP or not doesn't matter.

 

[TheStuffedUnicorn]

Why is it that people are getting the vapors when a spider is killing humans in a monster den? the fuck? She killed for the XP that she needed for the upcoming fight and cause she was pissed off they invade her space, like a monster you know? Cause she's a spider. Getting offended that humans are being killed in a spider isekai? Oh no, our morally pure and valiant paladin spider has gone into the dark side and killed virgin human men with her evil spider powers. She so corrupt if I continue to read this brutally violent and ghastly tale , I will faint and then sue her. New main character please. I don't read manga to watch fight and die. Get out.

Also, if her morality becomes a focus and an issue for the character itself, which there are some hints of in this chapter, then shut up and let the story be told. If you were reading just for the cute spider art, and your three year old heart was broken and shocked by the murder of people whose faces you can distinguish, close mangadex, call out from work/school, tell your therapist there is a crisis, ball up and wait. Most importantly, keep your dumb ass comments to yourself.

 

[sketches]

Whenever they mention Alaba, my brain keeps low-key converting it to Alibaba, as in Ali Baba and the 40 thieves.

 

[Kaarme]

@criver

That's some nice mental gymnastics you have going on there. It doesn't take a genius to see that she's morally corrupt and has no integrity whatsoever.

She's supposed to be corrupt after all the corruption effects placed on her. Her integrity as a giant spider seems like 500%.

Not really, she just wanted to farm them for xp.

She didn't intend to kill the first couple of soldiers, she only wanted to make them a bit hurt and scared. However, she vastly overestimated their strength and thus ended up using excessive power.

Do you consider a human's life to be equal to an animal's life?

No, but she's not a human. She's a giant spider. Does a tiger think humans are something special? No, a tiger would kill and eat a human with pleasure. If a human threatens a tiger's cubs, a human is not worth anything.

That's some lapse in logic. Having an understanding that both sides may die doesn't excuse her actions. By the same logic we should scrap the Geneva convention and celebrate wartime atrocities.

We do celebrate wartime atrocities. Russia's official stance is that they did nothing wrong in the whole 2nd World War, despite being one of the offenders, just like Germany. It feels like not a month goes by without seeing some American (probably) commenting that two atom bombs in Japan wasn't enough.

Typical false analogy. First, duels in the 17th century were stupid and evil. Second this is not a fair duel, it's more like she has a tank and they have a stick to fight with.

That's just, like, your opinion, man. If men with sticks attack a tank, what do they expect? Don't attack a fricking tank with sticks if you don't believe in yourself. Btw, in WW 2, many tanks were disabled or hampered with sticks (or actually sturdy enough logs, but still). A duel is fair if both participants feel its fair. They don't need outside holier-than-thous telling them it's stupid and evil. They were outlawed for other reasons (and I'm not saying those would have been bad reasons).

So because she left them alive, only because they were useful to her alive, that somehow counts as a positive towards her morality? Say what?

Objectively speaking the end result doesn't change: Some humans were allowed to live. I would say that indeed counts toward her morality, meaning she isn't murderous beyond reason. She could have only allowed one to live, for example. Or none, as she could have followed them immediately to slay them once the exit was located.

It's beyond clear that she's evil, this is not even a grey area, she's literally an amoral mass murderer, and her capacity for empathy MIA. I don't know what you've been smoking, but it's clear she's a full blown psychopath.

I still say for a giant spider her mentality is admirable. I don't know what you've been smoking if you think spiders are some champions of justice. They are killing machines, no different from preying insects. Just look back at her life in that dungeon in general. This series would have been over after the first chapter if she was any different.

@Qelix Her original intention wasn't to kill the first soldiers. She just didn't realise beforehand how weak they are, which is reasonable in my opinion as according to her very personal experience, the dungeon is extremely dangerous, no place for milk drinkers.
Her thoughts, as they were in the manga: "I won't kill them but this should hurt a bit."

 

[RexNemorensis]

I, for one, welcome our new arachnid overlord.
DEATH TO HUMANS!

 

[Kampfarsch]

those were some spicy 12 pages
see you in a month guys

 

[Borderline]

Whatever in that egg probably get mad at her now.