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Chapter 48 p 15

大好きっ!
‘Daisuki!’ means ‘I love you so much’. The final っ!adds emphasis, conveying emotion.

Also, notice the body language—the main character is saying this while hugging her. He's not leaving any space between them.
You're ignoring everything but one or two images and statements and acting like it defines his entire current state. It's been very clear for some time that he loved her from the bottom of his heart, and she loved him just as much. But it's also been very clear that both of them have grown to realize that as they were they were bad for each other. That's the cause of the conflict here. He didn't break up because he didn't love her anymore, or because he was upset or felt betrayed. He broke up because he realized that if they continued their current relationship they'd only end up hurting each other, and so, even though he didn't WANT to break up (he directly says exactly that: she asks if he wants to break up and he says no) he still decides that it's for the best. His feelings are more complicated than just "love or hate" and concerns about staying together or breaking up are MUCH more complicated than that. That's why this isn't a "drastic change", but just a decision he's known he needed to make. Frankly, the whole scene would have been much easier for him if his feelings in the page you showed had changed.
 
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Does anyone know what the Doujin 48.5 was about i saw someone post on pixiv saying it was a happy ending
 
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I haven’t said that open endings are bad. What I’m saying is that, whether they’re open or closed, they must resolve the premise or the main conflict of the story.

For example:


Kimi no Na wa (Your Name) is about two people united by a bond that transcends time and memory. The story ends when they manage to find each other again. There’s no need to show the rest of their lives, because the main question has already been answered.

Kimi no Suizō o Tabetai (I Want to Eat Your Pancreas) is about whether a person can change through the influence of another. The story ends when we see that the protagonist has begun that change. It doesn’t need to tell us much more, because the character’s arc has already been completed.


Ultimately, an ending doesn’t have to answer what will happen next, it has to answer why it was worth telling the story.
Not only it is bad, it doesn't answer anything. He broke up with her. Good. But what has changed during that 5 years to warrant the "i would do things differently?". Is he willing to let her fuck others now? Did she manage to fix what was wrong with her which ultimately doomed their relationship? Lets be honest. Miko's condition is the sole reason of their break up. But we still see the ending through his perspective when EVERYTHING related to any possible "good ending" starts and ends with Miko. Unless, as i said, he suddenly decided to be fine with her getting railed by other man like how he was coerced into in the beginning by the very same Miko.

It was a not an open ending. It was a no ending.
 
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Not only it is bad, it doesn't answer anything. He broke up with her. Good. But what has changed during that 5 years to warrant the "i would do things differently?". Is he willing to let her fuck others now? Did she manage to fix what was wrong with her which ultimately doomed their relationship? Lets be honest. Miko's condition is the sole reason of their break up. But we still see the ending through his perspective when EVERYTHING related to any possible "good ending" starts and ends with Miko. Unless, as i said, he suddenly decided to be fine with her getting railed by other man like how he was coerced into in the beginning by the very same Miko.

It was a not an open ending. It was a no ending.
No, I'd say him being "OK with her having sex with other men" wouldn't be of ANY help in this relationship, for one simple reason that you still seem to have forgotten: Mako herself is not okay with having sex with other men anymore. From the first time she saw him sleeping with another woman who responded and enjoyed it, she hasn't slept with one other person besides Kouhei. She still had problems with him, partly due to him being exceedingly passive right up until the last few chapters. And by that point their relationship was so messy I can't help but suspect that too interfered with her ability to respond to his touch. My impression is that if he has more real confidence in himself now and is willing to assert his feelings and opinions, she may respond a bit better. Of course, whether this is true or not is left to the reader. All I'm really confident in is that Mako is no longer willing to subject her partner to that particular sort of pain anymore.
 
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Not only it is bad, it doesn't answer anything. He broke up with her. Good. But what has changed during that 5 years to warrant the "i would do things differently?". Is he willing to let her fuck others now? Did she manage to fix what was wrong with her which ultimately doomed their relationship? Lets be honest. Miko's condition is the sole reason of their break up. But we still see the ending through his perspective when EVERYTHING related to any possible "good ending" starts and ends with Miko. Unless, as i said, he suddenly decided to be fine with her getting railed by other man like how he was coerced into in the beginning by the very same Miko.

It was a not an open ending. It was a no ending.
I'm going to start by saying that we agree.

An open ending has to give you enough elements, as a reader, to interpret what happened in different ways or imagine different plausible consequences. It's not simply about leaving a story unresolved. Let's think about some famous open endings:

Blade Runner gives you something to think about regarding identity and what makes you human, through the question of whether Deckard was a replicant or not.

Inception, when the spinning top starts spinning and makes us wonder whether he is still in a dream or is actually in reality.

The Thing: two people are left at the end. Either they freeze to death, or one of them is the Thing and will eventually kill the other. The movie doesn't need to resolve it, because in horror, mystery, or suspense, leaving something completely unresolved can be much more disturbing than explaining it. The unknown can be more powerful than a concrete answer.

The problem with Soredemo is that its premise would be: "Can a modern relationship survive without sex between these two people?" But for an open ending to work, you first have to properly build that relationship and that conflict. And for me, this is where the first problem appears: the relationship between the two protagonists is almost nonexistent for a large part of the manga. As readers, we don't have a sufficiently clear understanding of their motivations, what they actually feel for each other, or why they want to maintain the relationship. If the only answer is "because they are in love," then the conflict loses much of its strength.

In the end, they break up, five years pass, and they meet again. But their fundamental problems are never resolved. There is no new information that allows us to reinterpret their relationship, nor are there different possibilities that we can consider as readers. The relationship simply ended, and the manga ends without resolving the conflict it established. To me, that's not the same thing as an open ending: it's leaving the conflict unresolved.

The fact that the author doesn't tell us what happens next doesn't automatically make it an open ending, if there is nothing to interpret, then it's simply something that Miike Kei has decided not to tell us.

An open ending is a tool that allows the writer to play with the reader, giving them enough elements to interpret or complete the story for themselves.
 
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From the first time she saw him sleeping with another woman who responded and enjoyed it, she hasn't slept with one other person besides Kouhei.
Typical.
Like Open Relationships.
"Honey let's open our relationship."
While she is having fun all is good.
The moment he starts getting some.
"Honey, you know what: let's close the relationship. I Love you."
 
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Typical.
Like Open Relationships.
"Honey let's open our relationship."
While she is having fun all is good.
The moment he starts getting some.
"Honey, you know what: let's close the relationship. I Love you."
Except that she doesn't tell him to stop sleeping with other women. She doesn't even suggest ending the open relationship, and makes it clear to him that she's fine if he is sleeping with others and wants to continue doing so. She simply stops sleeping around herself. Frankly, following the trip, she seems to grow to blame herself more and more until by the end she really hates herself to a large degree as she recognizes that she's the one that created this messed up relationship and hurt the man who matters most to her.
 
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How do you know? Can you point at the chapter where this is stated? Seriously asking. :)
Don’t remember the number but near the end, shortly after he first slept with Iroha, she talked to him at a playground. Not long after she went to a hotel with him and broke down when she wasn’t able to feel anything again, wondering if there’s something broken in her. I summarized it when it came out so I’ll scan through later.
 
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Don’t remember the number but near the end, shortly after he first slept with Iroha, she talked to him at a playground. Not long after she went to a hotel with him and broke down when she wasn’t able to feel anything again, wondering if there’s something broken in her. I summarized it when it came out so I’ll scan through later.
Thanks! Curious, i made an AI translation so i had a general idea but not details...
 
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You're ignoring everything but one or two images and statements and acting like it defines his entire current state. It's been very clear for some time that he loved her from the bottom of his heart, and she loved him just as much. But it's also been very clear that both of them have grown to realize that as they were they were bad for each other. That's the cause of the conflict here. He didn't break up because he didn't love her anymore, or because he was upset or felt betrayed. He broke up because he realized that if they continued their current relationship they'd only end up hurting each other, and so, even though he didn't WANT to break up (he directly says exactly that: she asks if he wants to break up and he says no) he still decides that it's for the best. His feelings are more complicated than just "love or hate" and concerns about staying together or breaking up are MUCH more complicated than that. That's why this isn't a "drastic change", but just a decision he's known he needed to make. Frankly, the whole scene would have been much easier for him if his feelings in the page you showed had changed.
You seem knowledgeable about the series and I probably misremember but is there ever any actual reckoning with hina manipulating that guy into wanting to kill kou? Just feels like it gets glossed over.
 
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You seem knowledgeable about the series and I probably misremember but is there ever any actual reckoning with hina manipulating that guy into wanting to kill kou? Just feels like it gets glossed over.
Not that I recall. She just reconciled with the guy briefly before breaking up with him because she realized that they'd grown codependent and their own variety of unhealthy. After that she just vanishes from the story.
 
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About 48.5

this is the spoiler I got from JP forum.

the story set after they brake up, MC got new GF and FMC got new BF, and then both of them have s*x with their own couple. but FMC feel something is missing.

people in the forum said that it is just some filler and s*x scene, and it is not so erotic despite a "doujinshi"

sorry for my bad english
 
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