Tada no Murabito no Boku ga, Sanbyakunen Mae no Boukun Ouji ni Tensei shite shimaimashita - Ch. 2

[nodamnbrakes]

So far, pretty good… despite the cumbersome premise.

 

[Ghost-0]

Yeah this being monthly is so painful to me, a fan of the web novel. It's just fun to see the scenes in the stories of "brave Wilhelm" because they are so overly dramatic.

Spoiler: However

they are sus af. Just think about it, this is the daughter of the most powerful military duke in all the kingdom thus she was trained in the fighting arts since childhood. How could a f*cking neet "tore her apart" from her "beloved" without a fight? Emperor or not lol

TL;Dr those chronicles are a load of bs.

Well, stories and history are always written from the pov of the winner, regardless of the winner's actual morality compass and true loyalty

 

[GrumpyGizmo]

So...

Spoiler

She was always in love with him? Why did she kill him, then?

Spoiler: To be honest

she only remembers the boy in her memory having golden eyes which Wilhelm also has (like any other member of the royal family, sus indeed but there is an explanation. Think of it main houses and branch houses from feudal japan). Wilhelm was in the palace back then by chance and he noticed her and Rudolph hiding from Robin. He couldn't hear what they talked about but he saw it all. So there is a possibility Wilhelm was posing as Rudolph or to be precise thw boy from her memory or the chronicles are a bunch of fantastic tales written by orders of Wilhelm himself and he wasn't killed by her.

 

[GrumpyGizmo]

moar details please

Read my previous reply to someone else. There is the spoiler.

 

[KingCarna]

Cute yandere,
Cute yandere
Cute yandere
PLEASE

 

[Tatsuya-Kai]

Perhaps Rudolf's story was mostly invented by his political enemies and the ‘hero’ using real bits of his life to give it credibility and distorted by ‘word-of-mouth’ over time after those 300 years, just as happened with several historical leaders we perceived as tyrants for centuries before proper unbiased analysis.
I wouldn't be surprised if they staged a death to trick the hero, if she was manipulated into killing him, or if Rudolf himself planned his death and asked her to kill him.

Yeah, sadly this is common in history, probably one of the most famous who is likely a victim of this is caligula, who's entire evil deeds were recorded by 1 man, who hated his guts because of his political philosophies, every other mention of him from any other sources never referred to him as a tyrant (the ones still exist at least), what it did call him though is someone who wanted to reform the corruption in the roman senate, you know, the same senate that killed julius ceasar (and probably caligula), the only reason we have so little data on him is that his successor was nero claudius, aka nero ceasar, who is believed to have started the fire of rome that destroyed alot of historical documents that could exonerate caligula (as well as put some lost pieces of roman history together).

More closer to modern times and probably THE most famous is vlad tepes, aka vlad the impaler, who in his homeland is considered a revered hero who protected his nation from ottoman aggression and protected the common fold but bram stoker's dracula made him into a bloodthirsty tyrant, which while the impaling was very much true, it was used as a terror tactic against corrupt nobles and the invading ottoman forces, not because he liked doing it, it was military strategy that was VERY effective at deterring invasion and rebellion.

 

[74HC595]

Excellent plot twist, that’s what set this chapter apart from the conventional villain reincarnation bullshit story. The kind of cliched story where everything they do after getting memories back makes them a paragon of justice, and all the people they interact with afterwards can easily accept that tepheyve changed. They still often have to confront their past, but having ongoing trust issues even amongst their closest aides would be novel. A possibly embellished future book is also an interesting spin on the trope, better than direct memories or realising it’s the plot to a Japanese book or game or whatever. Let’s all hope for a unique plot.

 

[AMicrowave]

Read my previous reply to someone else. There is the spoiler.

i want more details than just that

 

[GrumpyGizmo]

i want more details than just that

You want the whole spoilers? Well just let me put this here first:

Spoiler: SPOILERS SO DON'T CLICK UNLESS YOU WANT TO RUIN THE FUN

turns out back then Lisbeth was visiting the palace with her father the duke. While the duke was busy talking with the emperor she went to play in the garden however she went too far inside and got lost. There she met Robin and two men who chased her away claiming she doesn't belong there.

Lisbeth was scared but then she met a boy with golden eyes (and golden hair however she forgot about the hair years later). He was Rudolph (except she never got his name and viceversa). So he played with her and asked her where she was going. She told him and so Rudolph took her to the first queen's garden. They spent some time there talking when someone approached, it was Robin and his goons.

Rudolph hid Lisbeth behind the flowers and faced Robin, as a result he was insulted, beated down by his goons and mocked by Robin. Lis was scared and could only see them abusing Rudolph then they lost interest and went away. She hurriedly ran out to check on him however prince Rudolph instead reassured her and asked if she was okay.

They chatted for a while but Lisbeth wanted to do something for him, however she didn't have anything to give as thanks for saving her from prince Robin and his men. Then she remembered she carries an old rare coin with her, one every member of her family exclusively carries with them from generations to generations. So she took it out and gave it to Rudolph, telling him to never give up and she would see him soon in the future. He was reluctant at first but gladly accepted it. Afterwards he helped her find her way to her father and promised to see each other again.

Fast forward several years close to the present. Wilhelm, the son of a branch family to the royals from long ago (his grandfather was cousin or brother to a king from past generations) showed up at one of those gatherings/parties of noble children in front of Lisbeth. He was overly familiar with her claiming he was the child from back then in her memory. He speaks of the time he saved her from Robin and showed her to the garden and the promise they made to meet again.

Lisbeth was happy at first but being cautious she asked several questions, many of which Wilhelm avoided answering. He has golden eyes, sure but she felt something weird in her chest. So he kept on courting her for several months, pestering her even when she was at home. At first she allowed him to visit her but soon she felt weird around him because she asked about the promise and the "item" she gave him back then. After many months asking him, he finally claimed it was a "brooch" and that made her feel sick and suspect.

She sent many of her maids/spies investigate Wilhelm's past. Meanwhile she received an engagement proposal from prince Rudolph. They met and he told her many things to scare her, like talking crap about him being a narcissist to him being constantly bullied and becoming a target of assassination attempts. Lisbeth suspected him being the boy from her memories and not Wilhelm but what sealed the deal was Rudolph dropping the coin in front of her. It was just a second and he hurriedly pick it up but she noticed the peculiar old coin. She accepted the engagement and left.

Now here is the deal, you need to understand all this before the actual explanation: back then when Lisbeth was found by Rudolph, Wilhelm was visiting the palace. From young age he was told the king from the past took the throne from his ancestor grandfather. So Wilhelm ended up in a poorer household and he was blamed by his father for some reason.

Wilhelm is a pos since childhood you see, he is envious of others like the royal family. So he witnessed Rudolph and Lisbeth meeting. At first he was amused by the two "idiots" being chased away by others, but then he thought Rudolph had "everything he didn't" and that pissed him off. Then Robin and his goons appeared and he saw Rudolph protecting Lis and their promise afterwards HOWEVER because of his position he couldn't see what she gave him (see, this is why he didn't want to answer and only made up "a brooch" later on).

So when they left Wilhelm thought, wouldn't it be good if he could make this prince Rudolph miserable? By chance me met several years later Lisbeth in a gathering, she wasn't the brat he remembered but a beautiful girl and an idea sparked in his mind. Something cruel like make her believe he was the boy who saved her. He would not only have such beautiful girl for her own but also the power of the duke's military family. Then he started pestering her.

So. This leads Rudolph to speculate way ahead in the story:

a. Wilhelm actually fooled Lisbeth in the "other timeline" and made her kill the mad emperor Rudolph.
b. It was never a mad emperor Rudolph and Wilhelm made others rewrite history books after Rudolph's death.
c. Possibly even Lisbeth died and couldn't tell the true story then.

In all cases Wilhelm survived and ended up being a hero figure for the new empire.

 

[AMicrowave]

You want the whole spoilers? Well just let me put this here first:

Spoiler: SPOILERS SO DON'T CLICK UNLESS YOU WANT TO RUIN THE FUN

turns out back then Lisbeth was visiting the palace with her father the duke. While the duke was busy talking with the emperor she went to play in the garden however she went too far inside and got lost. There she met Robin and two men who chased her away claiming she doesn't belong there.

Lisbeth was scared but then she met a boy with golden eyes (and golden hair however she forgot about the hair years later). He was Rudolph (except she never got his name and viceversa). So he played with her and asked her where she was going. She told him and so Rudolph took her to the first queen's garden. They spent some time there talking when someone approached, it was Robin and his goons.

Rudolph hid Lisbeth behind the flowers and faced Robin, as a result he was insulted, beated down by his goons and mocked by Robin. Lis was scared and could only see them abusing Rudolph then they lost interest and went away. She hurriedly ran out to check on him however prince Rudolph instead reassured her and asked if she was okay.

They chatted for a while but Lisbeth wanted to do something for him, however she didn't have anything to give as thanks for saving her from prince Robin and his men. Then she remembered she carries an old rare coin with her, one every member of her family exclusively carries with them from generations to generations. So she took it out and gave it to Rudolph, telling him to never give up and she would see him soon in the future. He was reluctant at first but gladly accepted it. Afterwards he helped her find her way to her father and promised to see each other again.

Fast forward several years close to the present. Wilhelm, the son of a branch family to the royals from long ago (his grandfather was cousin or brother to a king from past generations) showed up at one of those gatherings/parties of noble children in front of Lisbeth. He was overly familiar with her claiming he was the child from back then in her memory. He speaks of the time he saved her from Robin and showed her to the garden and the promise they made to meet again.

Lisbeth was happy at first but being cautious she asked several questions, many of which Wilhelm avoided answering. He has golden eyes, sure but she felt something weird in her chest. So he kept on courting her for several months, pestering her even when she was at home. At first she allowed him to visit her but soon she felt weird around him because she asked about the promise and the "item" she gave him back then. After many months asking him, he finally claimed it was a "brooch" and that made her feel sick and suspect.

She sent many of her maids/spies investigate Wilhelm's past. Meanwhile she received an engagement proposal from prince Rudolph. They met and he told her many things to scare her, like talking crap about him being a narcissist to him being constantly bullied and becoming a target of assassination attempts. Lisbeth suspected him being the boy from her memories and not Wilhelm but what sealed the deal was Rudolph dropping the coin in front of her. It was just a second and he hurriedly pick it up but she noticed the peculiar old coin. She accepted the engagement and left.

Now here is the deal, you need to understand all this before the actual explanation: back then when Lisbeth was found by Rudolph, Wilhelm was visiting the palace. From young age he was told the king from the past took the throne from his ancestor grandfather. So Wilhelm ended up in a poorer household and he was blamed by his father for some reason.

Wilhelm is a pos since childhood you see, he is envious of others like the royal family. So he witnessed Rudolph and Lisbeth meeting. At first he was amused by the two "idiots" being chased away by others, but then he thought Rudolph had "everything he didn't" and that pissed him off. Then Robin and his goons appeared and he saw Rudolph protecting Lis and their promise afterwards HOWEVER because of his position he couldn't see what she gave him (see, this is why he didn't want to answer and only made up "a brooch" later on).

So when they left Wilhelm thought, wouldn't it be good if he could make this prince Rudolph miserable? By chance me met several years later Lisbeth in a gathering, she wasn't the brat he remembered but a beautiful girl and an idea sparked in his mind. Something cruel like make her believe he was the boy who saved her. He would not only have such beautiful girl for her own but also the power of the duke's military family. Then he started pestering her.

So. This leads Rudolph to speculate way ahead in the story:

a. Wilhelm actually fooled Lisbeth in the "other timeline" and made her kill the mad emperor Rudolph.
b. It was never a mad emperor Rudolph and Wilhelm made others rewrite history books after Rudolph's death.
c. Possibly even Lisbeth died and couldn't tell the true story then.

In all cases Wilhelm survived and ended up being a hero figure for the new empire.

thank you very much

 

[GrumpyGizmo]

thank you very much

You're welcome

 

[fumokaze]

oh wow the flashback girl totally isn't her not at all how secretive my kind author ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

 

[spectacure]

Ahhh this suck… I need more!!!

 

[JasBC]

Yeah, sadly this is common in history, probably one of the most famous who is likely a victim of this is caligula, who's entire evil deeds were recorded by 1 man, who hated his guts because of his political philosophies, every other mention of him from any other sources never referred to him as a tyrant (the ones still exist at least), what it did call him though is someone who wanted to reform the corruption in the roman senate, you know, the same senate that killed julius ceasar (and probably caligula), the only reason we have so little data on him is that his successor was nero claudius, aka nero ceasar, who is believed to have started the fire of rome that destroyed alot of historical documents that could exonerate caligula (as well as put some lost pieces of roman history together).

More closer to modern times and probably THE most famous is vlad tepes, aka vlad the impaler, who in his homeland is considered a revered hero who protected his nation from ottoman aggression and protected the common fold but bram stoker's dracula made him into a bloodthirsty tyrant, which while the impaling was very much true, it was used as a terror tactic against corrupt nobles and the invading ottoman forces, not because he liked doing it, it was military strategy that was VERY effective at deterring invasion and rebellion.

It is not "common in history", the idiom "history is written by the victor" is a complete farse - the two biggest examples of this I can think of of the top of my head is that we suffered through a second world war predicated on the myth that the German army was betrayed by the politicians back in Berlin controlled by a cabal of globalist Jews, the so-called Stab-in-the-back myth, instead of Germany running out of resources and the Entente gaining the upper hand militarily, which sowed the seeds for the Nazis rise to power through the conservative political elements who thought they could control them but who were instead beaten into submission when Hitler merged the offices of Chancellor and President into the Fuhrer and proclaimed martial law, and that of the "Lost Cause"-myth that permeates Southern society in the United States to this day which claims that not only was the South on its way to win the Civil War, an in-feasibility in reality for anyone with a single brain cell, but that it was actually a just cause in protecting the humble Southern farmer's way of life and Southern culture from the imperialist North, not about protecting the South's practice of slavery - which was not only what many of the Confederate States explicitly stated as their reason for seceding from the United States, but was what propped up the "Southern way of life" to begin with.

Caligula managed to alienate the Senate, his Praetorians, his freedmen, and just about everyone else in Rome to the degree that they thought he needed to die - however you want to try to spin it, your soldiers-turned-bodyguards who adored you since birth and gave you your name, and the people you personally freed from living in slavery, do not just decide to conspire with the Senate and risk their lives to get rid of your because you were an upstanding democrat. Even the most favourable of modern biographies that take into account that much of the most extreme allegations against the man are libel from people - because the claim that all the allegations stem from a single person is just patently false - after his assassination don't paint the man as anything but a vain dictator who flaunted his untouchability and power over others yet failed to exercise the ultimate power of his office, only to end up murdered because no-one could stand the guy.

NO-ONE WORKING IN THE FIELD OF HISTORY SERIOUSLY BELIEVES NERO HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GREAT FIRE OF ROME!

Vlad Tepes being remembered as a popular hero in Romania and Moldova today doesn't mean he wasn't an insane mass murderer, the fact mass impaling was a psychological war-tactic doesn't mean it was seen as sane by his contemporaries, whether Christian or Muslim. Tepes also didn't just impale "corrupt nobles" - which is a funny statement in a country where the Voivode was elected, making Tepes a "corrupt noble", or boyar, as well - and "Ottomans", he impaled Wallachian civilians and soldiery who choose to ally with other boyars, like his own family who turned against him for cruelty. . .

 

[NotALewdGuy]

what are the chances of her being the one in the flashback

10000000000%

 

[Cobaltzero]

It is not "common in history", the idiom "history is written by the victor" is a complete farse - the two biggest examples of this I can think of of the top of my head is that we suffered through a second world war predicated on the myth that the German army was betrayed by the politicians back in Berlin controlled by a cabal of globalist Jews, the so-called Stab-in-the-back myth, instead of Germany running out of resources and the Entente gaining the upper hand militarily, which sowed the seeds for the Nazis rise to power through the conservative political elements who thought they could control them but who were instead beaten into submission when Hitler merged the offices of Chancellor and President into the Fuhrer and proclaimed martial law, and that of the "Lost Cause"-myth that permeates Southern society in the United States to this day which claims that not only was the South on its way to win the Civil War, an in-feasibility in reality for anyone with a single brain cell, but that it was actually a just cause in protecting the humble Southern farmer's way of life and Southern culture from the imperialist North, not about protecting the South's practice of slavery - which was not only what many of the Confederate States explicitly stated as their reason for seceding from the United States, but was what propped up the "Southern way of life" to begin with.

Caligula managed to alienate the Senate, his Praetorians, his freedmen, and just about everyone else in Rome to the degree that they thought he needed to die - however you want to try to spin it, your soldiers-turned-bodyguards who adored you since birth and gave you your name, and the people you personally freed from living in slavery, do not just decide to conspire with the Senate and risk their lives to get rid of your because you were an upstanding democrat. Even the most favourable of modern biographies that take into account that much of the most extreme allegations against the man are libel from people - because the claim that all the allegations stem from a single person is just patently false - after his assassination don't paint the man as anything but a vain dictator who flaunted his untouchability and power over others yet failed to exercise the ultimate power of his office, only to end up murdered because no-one could stand the guy.

NO-ONE WORKING IN THE FIELD OF HISTORY SERIOUSLY BELIEVES NERO HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GREAT FIRE OF ROME!

Vlad Tepes being remembered as a popular hero in Romania and Moldova today doesn't mean he wasn't an insane mass murderer, the fact mass impaling was a psychological war-tactic doesn't mean it was seen as sane by his contemporaries, whether Christian or Muslim. Tepes also didn't just impale "corrupt nobles" - which is a funny statement in a country where the Voivode was elected, making Tepes a "corrupt noble", or boyar, as well - and "Ottomans", he impaled Wallachian civilians and soldiery who choose to ally with other boyars, like his own family who turned against him for cruelty. . .

History is written by the victors or those in the most convenient places to place their versions in official records.

Lincoln is remember as the man who freed the slaves when he didn't give a rip about them. The emancipation proclamation itself freed no northern slaves and was more a tool to impose a moral victory and defections on the south... same man also gushed in letters to Sherman about his burning of the south. Sherman himself would be hung for warcrimes for what he did, since there is also official record of him stating that any southern woman protesting his soldiers actions would be considered a prostitute plying her trade and treated thusly (Ie: you bitch about the town burning, I'll have my soldiers rape you).

History is the agreed upon illusions of events by mankind.

 

[pandatime]

Ay yo hold on Maya you rascal

 

[skymadrid]

Not often we get a villainous reincarnation story that's actually, understandable