Tag for machine-translated chapters [Rejected]

[nimo2]

As proposed here, MTL chapters should have a special tag in the chapter list, akin to the "END" tag added to the final chapter of a series.

That way; since machine translations are shunned by a sizable portion of the MD community; users could choose if they want to read them or not.

 

[BraveDude8]

If you have a literal MTL tag, people will use it to blacklist chapters. It doesn't need to be supported officially by us, it'll inevitably happen. Then people will stop using the tag, because they're disadvantaged by doing so, and now you've driven MTL usage underground so people won't admit to using it. It accomplishes nothing except making it harder to tell when MTL is being used.

since machine translations are shunned by a sizable portion of the MD community

It's unfortunately a vocal minority. Bad quality translations, whether MTL or not, are consistently some of the highest viewed chapters on the site. The average reader doesn't care about the quality of the chapter they're reading, only that they can read it. As much as I personally wish people cared more, they don't.

 

[ieatass69]

If you have a literal MTL tag, people will use it to blacklist chapters. It doesn't need to be supported officially by us, it'll inevitably happen. Then people will stop using the tag, because they're disadvantaged by doing so, and now you've driven MTL usage underground so people won't admit to using it. It accomplishes nothing except making it harder to tell when MTL is being used.



It's unfortunately a vocal minority. Bad quality translations, whether MTL or not, are consistently some of the highest viewed chapters on the site. The average reader doesn't care about the quality of the chapter they're reading, only that they can read it. As much as I personally wish people cared more, they don't.

^ this, pretty much, as unfortunate as it is. Most people don't give a rat's ass about translation accuracy and quality. Hell, some genuinely believe manga = 95% pictures and the text only helps filling in the gaps.

I just wish the block limit is higher, like 500-1000. I emptied my block quota in a week.

 

[Snickrot]

Yeah, just increasing the block list would help. I just block groups and people that post poor translations.

 

[seekermoc]

There's too much variety in the quality of translations, machine or otherwise, which would make an MTL tag worthless. Some MTLs are completely transparent. You wouldn't even know it's an MTL if it wasn't specified by the scanlator. Some groups with human translators put out chapters of such horrible quality that they're completely unreadable.

If anything, the skill level of the proofreader is more important than the source of the translation. I'd MUCH rather have a warning tag for "shitty/absent proofreader" than for MTL.

 

[Teasday]

Adding to this, any suggestions that have to do with tagging chapters are rejected pretty much out of hand based on our prior considerations.

The END "tag" isn't chapter-specific, before anyone brings it up as a response. It's set in the manga title and based purely on chapter numbering.

 

[fasontales]

It's about time for the ownership to clean up the fake translation problem that plagues mangadex. It's an absolute disgrace to allow these frauds to upload alongside actual real translators. There's a reason big groups don't want to upload here anymore. What respectable translator would want to display his work alongside some ESL speaker that uses google translate, comic sans, and AI-upscaled pixelated raws?

I want to see mangadex flourish and grow, in my opinion it has the best user interface and features of all the manga reader websites. I don't want to see mangadex die a needless death. MTL accumulates every day, a giant stain on this great website. Eventually it WILL be too late to address this issue, it will get to a point where translators compeltely lose faith in this website's leadership. Hell, we're nearly there in my opinion.

It doesn't have to be this way. Let's take the right path.

 

[HelperHand]

well, these references are not exactly what is discussed but you could see at some extend the perspectives from other contributors and staff, here, here and here (there are issues but how to handle them is difficult), as someone from Latam who also checks alternatives when they not upload in here for Spanish and English, this is something that is becoming prevalent everywhere, there are too many titles that generates interest and just too few with the skills and now even official platforms are trying this

 

[IlaiaCorde]

It's about time for the ownership to clean up the fake translation problem that plagues mangadex. It's an absolute disgrace to allow these frauds to upload alongside actual real translators. There's a reason big groups don't want to upload here anymore. What respectable translator would want to display his work alongside some ESL speaker that uses google translate, comic sans, and AI-upscaled pixelated raws?

I want to see mangadex flourish and grow, in my opinion it has the best user interface and features of all the manga reader websites. I don't want to see mangadex die a needless death. MTL accumulates every day, a giant stain on this great website. Eventually it WILL be too late to address this issue, it will get to a point where translators compeltely lose faith in this website's leadership. Hell, we're nearly there in my opinion.

It doesn't have to be this way. Let's take the right path.

I could support that if it could be proven that it was MTL and there was a better source being uploaded.

I.e, a MTL is fine if there isn't a better translation available. But if mtl uploaders are sniping a series from an existing non-mtl uploader, they need to be punished.

 

[alrightcock]

i actually agree, at the LEAST mark the chapter (the uploader has too) if it was done by a machine

human supremacy >>>

if it cant happen because of some tech thingamajig i understand

 

[IlaiaCorde]

i actually agree, at the LEAST mark the chapter (the uploader has too) if it was done by a machine

human supremacy >>>

if it cant happen because of some tech thingamajig i understand

Agreed 100% on that!

 

[blackyawgdom]

Theres been some authors who make their own official english translations for doujins.....
In some of those, they end up even worse then MTL.

 

[Grogzilla]

i actually agree, at the LEAST mark the chapter (the uploader has too) if it was done by a machine

The main issue here is that if this WAS implemented, it solely falls upon the uploader. Say the uploader lies by omission, what’s stopping them? If it was easy to solve via a report, what separates bad human translation from passable MTL? If a group uses AI to refine their human TL, are they also required to tag their chapters as MTL?

A lot of difficult questions need answering before such a large change is implemented

 

[alrightcock]

The main issue here is that if this WAS implemented, it solely falls upon the uploader. Say the uploader lies by omission, what’s stopping them? If it was easy to solve via a report, what separates bad human translation from passable MTL? If a group uses AI to refine their human TL, are they also required to tag their chapters as MTL?

A lot of difficult questions need answering before such a large change is implemented

honestly i was thinking of adding in my original comment (giving them a ban if caught lying) but i thought people would disagree or think it was too harsh of a punishment, yeah there is a lot to it and i would personally say that the admins or whoever of this site just a guideline of rules of what would be considered a MLT

im just giving my opinion its understandable not implementing it its up to them

 

[Neneo2SE]

Can we just iono like we can ban specific TL we don’t like, like bad MTL or AS OF RIGHT NOW(31 May 2024 at, at least here 9 in the morning), the “Latest Updates” sections is filled with TL who upload their “latest updates” which I thought “oh new chapter? Yay” but got bamboozled because they TL old chapter like WTF.
TLDR : Can we at least ban specific TL who we thought bad or we wish don’t appear in my feed again?

 

[HelperHand]

Can we at least ban specific TL who we thought bad or we wish don’t appear in my feed again?

there is a block function for groups and uploaders, that will hide what you consider annoying, I think there is a limit not sure

 

[Grogzilla]

I think there is a limit not sure

The last number I saw was a limit of 25 but I could be horribly mistaken

 

[Napul]

If you have a literal MTL tag, people will use it to blacklist chapters. It doesn't need to be supported officially by us, it'll inevitably happen. Then people will stop using the tag, because they're disadvantaged by doing so, and now you've driven MTL usage underground so people won't admit to using it. It accomplishes nothing except making it harder to tell when MTL is being used.

Then just do it as VNDB does it. It allow tags, but don't allow blacklisting. It works for them.
Everything what is needed is just the ability to recognize that stuff. Then it's just up to people decide whether they will read it or ignore it. And most importantly, actual translators will be able to recognize whether series is worked on, or just MTLed. As it's now, any MTL is just killing any chance for title get proper translation once somebody starts doing MTL.