Tensei Oujo to Tensai Reijou no Mahou Kakumei - Ch. 47

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You said it yourself, the third option is to essentially throw the nation into chaos by ignoring tradition and telling the nobility to get fucked, inevitably leading to civil war.
Another option is for the King & Queen to adopt someone other than Euphie who the nobility would ostensibly back and crown them. OR, start pushing to reform the entire governmental system, though that also runs the risk of war and death and generally-bad-shit.

Which is to say there's no winning for Anis. Not really. She becomes queen, she has to supress everything about herself and become an heir-making factory.
She loses to Euphie in this duel, and the woman she loves sells her soul and becomes an unfeeling inhuman immortal that will one day forget she ever cared about Anis, long after the latter is dead.
She can't leave the country, she can't declare war on the system of government, she can't be accepted because she can't use the one thing she loves the most.

And eveyone in her life is just making these decisions for her, and always has been. She's been trapped in a gilded cage since she showed up in this world, and isn't getting a happy ending whatever comes about.
 
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The only saving grace is that the dragon's curse that may allow them to live long lives side-by-side, long enough to develop a cure for the amnesia or a way to both die.
is it actually amnesia?

I might be misremembering from the anime adaptation, but I thought it was explained that the "loss of humanity" was a byproduct of living so long that you just don't relate to human scales of emotion and connection. In the case of the spirit they've been talking with, I thought it wasn't that she literally forgot her father / the people of her past, but that she just....lost any emotional connection to the memory of them, because her scale of experience had grown so far beyond that of human beings.
 
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They love each other so much they are fighting for each others happiness while willing to sacrifice their own...
Man these girls are badly written.
 
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is it actually amnesia?

I might be misremembering from the anime adaptation, but I thought it was explained that the "loss of humanity" was a by-product of living so long that you just don't relate to human scales of emotion and connection. In the case of the spirit they've been talking with, I thought it wasn't that she literally forgot her father / the people of her past, but that she just....lost any emotional connection to the memory of them, because her scale of experience had grown so far beyond that of human beings.
I used amnesia as a stand in for what you just said, I just had forgotten the subtext behind it all, and harkened that amnesia was close enough to what it was to get my point across.
 
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I used amnesia as a stand in for what you just said, I just had forgotten the subtext behind it all, and harkened that amnesia was close enough to what it was to get my point across.
I also should go back and read the manga at least to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass. Either way it sounds like we're of a mind on the matter, and it's also besides the point to what you'd said - which, if her dragon mark does in fact prolong her life, then I guess that's a point in favor of Euphie becoming immortal - and if the "loss of humanity/amnesia" is born of losing any means of connection to others (because they all tend to die rather quickly from the perspective of someone living forever), Anis living far past a normal human lifespan would counteract that issue in the short term.

That outcome still feels like a copout, because if it's true that Anis would live for a long time, then I feel like Euphie going through the change would be less problematic. Yeah, Anis is still technically mortal (unless the dragon mark explicitly makes her immortal too, again, would have to go back and see if that's verified or not), but then....to that end, Anis is less sympathetic in my mind because it seems like a point of pride more than anything that she's pushing against Euphie making the contract and taking the throne.

Ultimately it feels like the eventual goal should be reforming the governmental system. To be fair, if they both gain extended lifespans, they can literally outwait the nobility and work toward forming factions and movements that see the end of the current system with an implementation of something akin to a democratic or republic-style basis of government. It's just that at present they're both too set on their view being correct that they can't even form a dialogue, because neither side will budge out of some twisted form of love for the other.

It's compelling writing, but it is frustrating from the perspective of "there has to be a way that doesn't strip Anis of her agency", which at present, every (character-appropriate) option before her, does.
 
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Image 4, "your" should be "you're."

Image 13, "for all I have tricks up my sleeve..." doesn't really make sense. Was it supposed to be "for all the tricks I have up my sleeve..." maybe?
 
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Pg. 10, "Coming hand-in-hand means you have to empty that hand first?"
Bitch, you got two hands, they don't have to throw everything away.

Pg. 12, "It's late for it now, but however this ends I'd like to have a heart to heart with Anise."
Yea it is fucking late dumbass, like 10 chapters late.
 
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Doing so unilaterally would upend the entire nation.

The nobility can also use magic, whereas the commoner people cannot. It could lead to open civil war, seeing mass death and destruction.

I also think this fight is stupid, becuse there's almost always a viable third way, but it's the both of them standing up for their ideals and staying true to their character designs, which is why it's happening.

I do think Euphie is fucked in the head for going the "I'm okay with you hating me forever if it means I'm the only wound in your heart" route, because it's such a selfish motive that completely denies Anis her feelings on the matter out of some perverse, sanctimonious need to "save the poor girl from herself" - effectively admitting that Anis is incapable of doing anything about her situation and coddling her in a super emotionally abusive way.

Really, Anis got fucked super hard by reincarnating here. Loves magic, but can't use it. Makes her ineligible to succeed the throne, but is the only royal who can. Is told her whole life she's worthless, until suddenly she's needed. The one person who was supposed to absolutely have her back, now tells her she needs saving, and will become an inhuman immortal just to keep Anis from misery that's not even guaranteed to happen, if they played their cards together in the right way.

Everyone just kinda shits on her or patronizes her and she just....has to let it happen because in the eyes of this world she's an abomination. And even her workaround is seen as heretical, and the woman she loves is throwing her own humanity away on some pretense that it's going to make Anis happy watching her become someone incapable of love.

Just sucks to be the protagonist here, in my mind.
Then I guess I am too much of a dreamer/revolutionary or plain stupid, because the fact that nobility’s status quo is so that it can fuck over both commoners and the royal family drives me crazy.
Bc, iirc, the royal family can’t adopt someone that nobles won’t like/accept
And again, the fact that they refuse magicology because only them can use magic and it would make commoners less dependent to them is insane
Probably (and luckly for them, i guess), things go way too well in the kingdom, because if I were a commoner and hear that nobles are against me having an easier daily life, I’d be pissed (I don’t want to insist bc I read too many isekai/fantasy with magical modern house stuff, but iirc, besides magical weapons, wasn’t Anis thinking of things like stoves and refrigerators?)
 
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Pg. 10, "Coming hand-in-hand means you have to empty that hand first?"
Bitch, you got two hands, they don't have to throw everything away.

Pg. 12, "It's late for it now, but however this ends I'd like to have a heart to heart with Anise."
Yea it is fucking late dumbass, like 10 chapters late.
It really feels like everyone in Anis' life has kinda failed her, up to and including whatever forces or mechanisms of the universe stripped her of the ability to use magic upon transmigrating.

She would never do it because it goes against her character, but I honestly wouldn't blame her just Noping the Fuck Out and leaving everything/one behind for another country that won't treat her like a metaphysical pariah because she uses magical artifice instead of "natural magic".
I don't always condone just running away from your problems, but she has no good choices here, really--choosing "take my ball and leaving" isn't actually the worst path through all of this, in my mind.
 
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Then I guess I am too much of a dreamer/revolutionary or plain stupid, because the fact that nobility’s status quo is so that it can fuck over both commoners and the royal family drives me crazy.
Bc, iirc, the royal family can’t adopt someone that nobles won’t like/accept
And again, the fact that they refuse magicology because only them can use magic and it would make commoners less dependent to them is insane
Probably (and luckly for them, i guess), things go way too well in the kingdom, because if I were a commoner and hear that nobles are against me having an easier daily life, I’d be pissed (I don’t want to insist bc I read too many isekai/fantasy with magical modern house stuff, but iirc, besides magical weapons, wasn’t Anis thinking of things like stoves and refrigerators?)
I think it just comes down to the established perspectives of that world and what people think is possible. And unfortunately for Anis, even though she's not from that world and has an outsider's view, she's treated as beneath contempt by the nobility, and strong-arming her way into changing everything as queen would only incite them to hostile action, which would risk tons of collateral damage to both the lives of people and the infrastructure/well-being of the nation as a whole.

And they don't exist in a vacuum - if their nation is seen as weak/faltering by outside forces and interests, that poses an additional risk to the nation and its people of invaders, both in terms of military but also political/economical, that could cause even more harm to the commoner folk.

As poweful as Anis' artifice is, and as strong as Euphie is in magic, they'd still just be two people who wouldn't have any backing from anyone with actual power, magical or political--even if they had the common folk on their side, that really doesn't mean much in the face of a hostile nobility with tons of economic, political, social, and magical firepower at their backs.
And there's every chance even the current royalty would try and quash her efforts in the name of maintaining the status quo.

There's just no good option in-universe for going that route, for her. At best, a long-term plan of pushing reforms through faction-building would be possible, but if she became queen Anis would be reduced to a baby factory to produce an heir, and would be sidelined on day one to whomever the nobility picked as her husband/king consort, and she'd be denied even the chance to start making headway in that direction.

She's truly in a fucked if you do, fucked if you don't situation. I don't know if that was the intent of the author, but that's how her entire story has felt to me--and everything she's tried to overcome the limitations and obstacles put in her way have been thwarted, including by her supposed allies and loved ones.
 
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this take too long, and i thought we would get pass anime like 1 year ago.
like it just be immortal, stop being so drama queen about it
 
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As has been said, there's a LOT more options available to deal with the immortality compared to when the founding ancestors were around.

Just researching Anis' earth technology alone could keep Euphy busy and sane for 100 years, and that's without integrating magic into them. Putting the dragon stuff on top of that, possibly even "cursing" Euphy with a lighter version of the dragon tattoo, there's a bunch of options here all around.
 
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This adaptation is so much better than the one in the anime and the light novel as well!! This arc is really good!! Surpassed the sources!
 
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As has been said, there's a LOT more options available to deal with the immortality compared to when the founding ancestors were around.

Just researching Anis' earth technology alone could keep Euphy busy and sane for 100 years, and that's without integrating magic into them. Putting the dragon stuff on top of that, possibly even "cursing" Euphy with a lighter version of the dragon tattoo, there's a bunch of options here all around.
I still think that's minimizing the hurt it does to Anis. That setup still leaves Anis being denied any agency or choice over her life but virtue of Euphie getting her way with the contract making. Sure, Anis wouldn't be forced to become queen/an heir-maker, but that is still yet one more choice being made for her, rather than something she reaches for herself.

Honestly I think Euphie went about this all the wrong way, but then again so has pretty much everyone in this series, at least in terms of giving Anis any real autonomy or control over her own life.
 
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Everyone talking like a civil war isn't the best option but instead carrying on this quasi bullshit nation's principles.
Euphie went about this stupid she still trying to decide what Anis can and should do..

Loser dad over hear talking about having a heart to heart.. bro your kids needed you a long as fuck time ago you honestly probably would act as better character development for them if you suddenly dropped dead.
 

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