Tensei Saki ga Zannen Ouji Datta Ken: Ima wa Fukkin 1-kai mo Dekinai kedo Yasete Isekai Sukuimasu - Vol. 6 Ch. 27.2

[MangaDex]

 

[AnotherDuck]

"Poison can also become medicine."

Well, medicine is generally useful because it's poisonous to harmful substances and bacteria.

I find that if you have a choice between untested magic and testing the magic while they die, the former is the better option. Sometimes you just don't have time for tests.

 

[HelioCesar]

Thanks for the work my broda

 

[Kaarme]

Well, medicine is generally useful because it's poisonous to harmful substances and bacteria.

A vast variety of medicines is meant to deal with improperly balanced or flawed homeostasis, for example insulin or beta blocker. Some medicines are merely used to combat perfectly normal reactions to make the patient's life easier, such as painkillers, although naturally sometimes the pain is not what one would call normal, having become chronic even for unknown reasons.

Still, no matter the purpose of the drug, it's equally important to prove it's not doing more harm than good and how much is the perfect amount to administer.

 

[kikix12]

A vast variety of medicines is meant to deal with improperly balanced or flawed homeostasis, for example insulin or beta blocker. Some medicines are merely used to combat perfectly normal reactions to make the patient's life easier, such as painkillers, although naturally sometimes the pain is not what one would call normal, having become chronic even for unknown reasons.

Still, no matter the purpose of the drug, it's equally important to prove it's not doing more harm than good and how much is the perfect amount to administer.

All medicine is poisons, though. While it's true that the likes of painkillers aren't poisoning harmful creatures, they are still poisoning the user. I mean, they literally cause the nerves to malfunction. The difference between medicine and poison is just in the result. Medicine is simply poison that has more valuable positive effects than the negative ones.

And testing is important, but testing while someone is on death's door is literally putting the cart before the horse. There's no point in tests if when used directly on the human the worse case scenario is at most about the same as what would happen without administering the untested medicine.

 

[Kaarme]

All medicine is poisons, though. While it's true that the likes of painkillers aren't poisoning harmful creatures, they are still poisoning the user. I mean, they literally cause the nerves to malfunction. The difference between medicine and poison is just in the result. Medicine is simply poison that has more valuable positive effects than the negative ones.

Even water is poison if you drink enough of it.

And testing is important, but testing while someone is on death's door is literally putting the cart before the horse. There's no point in tests if when used directly on the human the worse case scenario is at most about the same as what would happen without administering the untested medicine.

Typically physicians would like to administer medicine before the patient is at death's door. Results are better and more predictable, plus there may be second chances to try something else. There's also no telling in what sort of condition the barely surviving patient might be afterwards. But sure, I believe some experimental medicines have actually been tested in practice that way, when the patient had nothing to lose anyway. Nevertheless, the medicine would still go through the normal research and trial procedures afterwards, even if a critically terminal patient was actually saved. That's just how it works nowadays. That's also why most medicines have a long list of possible side effects mentioned, to avoid law suits and all that jazz. Pig Prince is from the modern world, so such a way of thinking would be natural for him.

 

[AnotherDuck]

A vast variety of medicines is meant to deal with improperly balanced or flawed homeostasis, for example insulin or beta blocker.

All medicine is poisons, though.

There comes a point where it's about defining exactly what medicine is and what qualifies as it. Like, are hormones like insulin medicine? But that's not really the point, and we all know what we're talking about.

My point was mainly just in general that the difference between poisons and medicine is whether they're beneficial, not any inherent chemical difference.

Still, no matter the purpose of the drug, it's equally important to prove it's not doing more harm than good and how much is the perfect amount to administer.

Yeah, always if you're at all able to. And one successful emergency use does not a test make.

 

[kikix12]

Even water is poison if you drink enough of it.

There's a difference between 'poison' and something that is dangerous due to gross abuse. Water is not a poison because it does not cause harm normally in even large qualities.

Poisons are poisons because they cause harm in any quantity, even though in small enough quantities that harm may be minuscule. For stronger poisons, there's no such thing as 'small damage' though...any amount is plain dangerous.

Typically physicians would like to administer medicine before the patient is at death's door.

How is that even remotely relevant to the topic? This is about a specific situation, which is presented in this manga. You arguing for completely unrelated situations makes no sense.

Results are better and more predictable, plus there may be second chances to try something else.

Again, this is about a specific situation presented in the manga. Your argument has no place in it. It makes as much sense as stumbling across someone that will die in a minute from bleeding out after tripping and cutting their leg open on some sharp junk and instead of helping them, you telling them that they should have not tripped so as to avoid getting cut in the first place, as that's more effective than preventing them from bleeding out.

If you can only help someone when they are at deaths doors...that's the end of it. You either try to help them and maybe succeed, or you don't and they die. There's really zero place to discuss here.

There's also no telling in what sort of condition the barely surviving patient might be afterwards.

You know what will happen if you don't help them. They die. That's all you need to know.

Pig Prince is from the modern world, so such a way of thinking would be natural for him.

Him being from the modern world is irrelevant here. Either he did it or she'd die. It's as simple as that. Legally speaking, what he did was the correct choice. In any country with sensible laws he would be protected from any consequences even if something WENT wrong, simply because him not doing anything would have been, at 'best' the same outcome (helping or not would result in death), at 'worse', a worse one (helping would save her life, but keep her crippled, for example, but not helping would have her die).

Sure, there are risks of a person staying alive suffering with no positives. But 'death' is something that can always be administered, and such consequences may be curable besides. If a person dies, that's irreversible. It's a very simple logic. A gamble is ALWAYS better than a guaranteed loss.

 

[Kaarme]

Again, this is about a specific situation presented in the manga. Your argument has no place in it. It makes as much sense as stumbling across someone that will die in a minute from bleeding out after tripping and cutting their leg open on some sharp junk and instead of helping them, you telling them that they should have not tripped so as to avoid getting cut in the first place, as that's more effective than preventing them from bleeding out.

Pig Prince merely deflected some of the thanks by stating it's an untested and unverified cure, so it might not have even worked, it might have even made things worse. So, it's not necessarily as great a breakthrough as suggested, before it's properly verified.

If you can only help someone when they are at deaths doors...that's the end of it. You either try to help them and maybe succeed, or you don't and they die. There's really zero place to discuss here.

Only a snake oil salesman doesn't care to know beforehand if the treatment has any chances of working or not. Maybe there's another cure that could be used instead. Maybe this one is so flawed statistically when applied to the whole population that another one would be better. Of course we know all of this is untrue, it's a perfect cure because it's magic, but for someone from our world, that's not the only way to think.

You know what will happen if you don't help them. They die. That's all you need to know.

If you promise to cure someone, but they won't be cured after all, in a feudal world, you might have a meeting with the headsman afterwards. Better to know more than to know less.

Him being from the modern world is irrelevant here. Either he did it or she'd die. It's as simple as that. Legally speaking, what he did was the correct choice. In any country with sensible laws he would be protected from any consequences even if something WENT wrong, simply because him not doing anything would have been, at 'best' the same outcome (helping or not would result in death), at 'worse', a worse one (helping would save her life, but keep her crippled, for example, but not helping would have her die).

Sure, there are risks of a person staying alive suffering with no positives. But 'death' is something that can always be administered, and such consequences may be curable besides. If a person dies, that's irreversible. It's a very simple logic. A gamble is ALWAYS better than a guaranteed loss.

Pig Prince himself started to refer to procedures from the modern world. Don't preach to me.