The Bugle Call: Song of War - Vol. 6 Ch. 17.5 - Side Story

[LongTruong]

I think you guy are reading too much into this. The author is simply showing us how the villain side works. The garland who is just a kid constantly shifted her stand because of her father's influence while the father curb stomp people with his insane power and supremacism mindset. I pretty much like how normal these father and daughter are as well as how things can become like this. Even if their actions are irredeemable, they are the very example of what will happen if some people got their hand on enormous power with zero responsibility and morale. The father looks like nothing can change him now, but I am interested in what way the garland will become in the future.

 

[Giguv]

Personally, I'd say they're meant to be like a contrast of Lucas and the Pope's relationship. Specifically, both senior figures want to groom their mighty juniors.

I was actually thinking there are more parallels between these two and the Pope and Zoe. Both are utilising underdeveloped children for their conquest, one is just a bit more tasteful about it.

Spoiler: plus,

so far I'm still convinced that the dad and the Emperor are the same person. Admittedly, mostly because of how well that would reframe the relationship between Zoe and the Pope in a slightly different light.

 

[alacaelum]

Personally, I'd say they're meant to be like a contrast of Lucas and the Pope's relationship. Specifically, both senior figures want to groom their mighty juniors.
The difference with Lucas is that as much as the Pope seems to want him as a successor, he's been giving Lucas plenty of room to exercise his own thoughts and respects and approves many of them, while the Garland's bloodthirsty "father" is continually twisting her thoughts and values.

An interesting analysis.

The contrast between the two sides is pretty much spot on, and considering that the enemy nation can only be so destructive because of Garland... she and her father are probably THE BBEG, even if they meet the one that is in control of their tower, without Garland as a unilateral weapon of destruction, they would fall in a stalemate and things would develop in another way.

That is without considering that both Lucas and Zoe seem to be very special rami.

I am really curious how this "thousand-year journey" that the leaders of some nations seem to have will be revealed, this can be a "far future that lost its technological advancement" or maybe even "a planet that was newly colonized but knowledge of it got lost in some cataclysm".

 

[Mekanike]

The author made an extra chapter focused on those two and instead of showing us how they ended up where they are or give them at least a bit of depth, we got this pointless bonus chapter of them killing and basically fucking shit up cause yolo. Talk about a wasted opportunity.

Its an extra chapter, i dont get why you would think major backstory to the two main antagonists would be explained here instead of a main chapter when they eventually collide with Lucas and the rest. I think it serves pretty well to illustrate the dynamic between the Garland and her Father. The Garland is pretty conflicted with all the murder and her Father is constantly reassuring her that it's fine. The aftermath of the super tough ramus upsets her enough that she stops laughing and later comes clean about her questions about whether or not all the murder is ok. Her father is aware of her conflict as well and that's why he's constantly reassuring her, so she can drop the nuke later.

 

[Grye]

Ah he's a letter of the law type of fellow, uh oh

 

[Kushikime]

Thanks for the translation

 

[RanmaChaos]

Thanks for the update

 

[MRain]

Is the kid ability to accelerate stuff? I feel like that would explain her dad being able to basically killing everyone in an instant

 

[blueherozx1]

For the curious, this extra chapter was in fact published in the month between Ch 17 and 18. That is, the authors spent their precious monthly spot to put this on the magazine itself before it even got compiled into the volume, so you bet they did it with some intent.


To be exact, in the raw text the father says he doesn't understand her [ツボ] Admittedly since "tsubo" can mean so many things it's hard to figure out which one's applicable here, but I think I finally got it: "pressure point", what gets a reaction out of her.

That is, given that the father's customised method for killing both Rami was what made the Garland burst out in laughter, he was basically saying he "doesn't understand what pushes her buttons she gets a kick out of". Might I have the right idea, @blueherozx1 ?

Yeye mb for the late response but yeah, I think your interpretation is correct

 

[Sonaldo]

Welp, looks like her Dad stomps out any inkling of empathy in the Garland before she can even begin to understand how to process it. No wonder her moral compass seems to be way off.
It's weird though. He says he doesn't understand her (which does not mesh with my previous understanding that he made her this way) and at times it almost looks like he does give her space to feel something in responce, like with those two Rami holding hands while dying. There's definitely more going on here, but I can't quite grasp it right now.

I genuinely think these Rami aren't human. Like maybe they're homunculus or something. Built in the image of man by the Pope or the tower. That would explain stuff like the mirror Ramus daughter and Oscar (the immortal dude) little sister.
And this one is built different. And I don't mean that in the meme way. Like she was somehow incomplete.

 

[Ernergeycey]

this manga and hunter x hunter are the only ones I know that have characters with a interesting morality

 

[welbim1]

Man, I can see the direction of the plot, disaster and tragedy coming. Zoe is going to have to use a lot of her power and pull a 'Casca plot' from Berserk, going away and sleeping for like 50 years. I can already tell how it's going to end, with the MC old as hell, at death's door, and Zoe waking up only to die with him peacefully

 

[TheMagnificentSteinerr]

Man, I can see the direction of the plot, disaster and tragedy coming. Zoe is going to have to use a lot of her power and pull a 'Casca plot' from Berserk, going away and sleeping for like 50 years. I can already tell how it's going to end, with the MC old as hell, at death's door, and Zoe waking up only to die with him peacefully

That's exactly what I was thinking, because the human body can't contain the Flowering.

 

[TheMagnificentSteinerr]

this manga and hunter x hunter are the only ones I know that have characters with a interesting morality

As a HxH fan for life, and sensou kyoushitsu lover, having a nuanced villain isn't a rarity, just read more manga.

 

[wodniobojca188]

💕 page 14

 

[AxeBurningfire]

Moral of the story: ACAB

 

[zephyrnepres]

Welp, looks like her Dad stomps out any inkling of empathy in the Garland before she can even begin to understand how to process it. No wonder her moral compass seems to be way off.
It's weird though. He says he doesn't understand her (which does not mesh with my previous understanding that he made her this way) and at times it almost looks like he does give her space to feel something in responce, like with those two Rami holding hands while dying. There's definitely more going on here, but I can't quite grasp it right now.

it could be that while he wants to prevent her learning empathy, we've just learned that a ramus' mental growth determines the growth of their power which leads to blooming. it could be allowing her to explore some emotions and thoughts for a potential boost in destructive power (presuming that blooming isn't the last possible stage, therefore being pointless) while keeping the leash somewhat so she doesn't lose her apathy to death and become a useless weapon, given that she has already bloomed that could have been the nurturing strategy beforehand

 

[Ochredog]

Some nature vs nuture shit, where I cant tell if the Garland is actually psychotic trying to emulate empathy or if her detachment towards life is a coping mechanism so she isnt burdened by the guilt of mass genocides. Since her "father" is the one trying to raise her as a nuke that feels no remorse I'm leaning towards the latter. I guess it could just be her moral compass actively getting molded so her views on whats right and wrong are changing non-stop

I was thinking the exact same thing but the way you put it makes so much more sense. I wasn't thinking in terms of underlying causes like you were. I just didn't know whether she was psychotic or kind deep down.

 

[buffy111000]

Genocide is always a "mass" thing. Either use "mass murder" or "genocide". Mass genocide makes no sense.
In her case, it is genocide. Which already is the ultimate crime against a population.

Nope. Cus the genocides are plural and numerous, hence the "mass" in front of genocide dummy! Not just one genocide!

 

[TheMagnificentSteinerr]

I will be honest... I want these two dead.

Ignoring the obvious complex nature of whatever happens in their heads... their kill count is already too far up that they can be allowed to live.

The girl has a power that should not be allowed to exist, and her dad... should not be allowed to educate someone like her.

And this talk about "soldiers can kill whoever they want"... I don't care what era they live in, I don't care the value of life their society has... what I care, about is that people like them should not be allowed to go around, even less with the powers they have.

I understand that our motley crew isn't much better in the head... but at least they aren't killing people for pleasure and giggles.

well... this didn't age well