The Main Heroines Are Trying to Kill Me

[Lando833]

I hate this shit about 'the adaptation of the novel is worse, read it and you'll understand,' because, in the best-case scenario, it's the same shit. But often, it's far worse than the adapted version due to a simpler plotline and dumber characters.

I do feel like upgraded content happens more often with KR webtoons, but to say in the best-case scenario that it's the same is a crazy wild take.

I find it far more often that adapted versions have simplified plotlines and dumber characters, I'm kind of baffled that you seem to view it the other way. This adaptation is definitely simplified plotline + dumber characters, I see comments almost every chapter basically going "why did Z happen", and the answer is basically "because X and Y got removed, so you're just left with Z". Like in chapter 10:

Spoiler: Chapter 10 spoilers

Q: Why did Frey rush up to block a sword with his body instead of the sword he's holding?
A: Because in the novel he was in the middle of healing Kania when he got unexpectedly attacked from behind instead.

 

[BatCrow]

havent read the parent work
hard to believe the issue is the adaptation and not the work itself
to spoil, the title gets shit on by chapter 13(?) and if its happening that early on is it truly a spoiler?
-i leave that up to the thinnest of skinned MD mods to crucify me over
but ye... guess the author decided he didnt want to commit to THE TITLE really early on.
everything else was already a bland and forgettable read
hardly different from i have a harem but yandere as far as how dull it feels

Read the start of the novel, it actually says "each time he is discovered as the false evil". The adaptation pulls the bs of rewording the punishment so that people get baited. Novel looks like its paced semi reasonably and explains better so maybe can blame adaptation a bit? (not really)

Could've been good or even amazing if author wasn't a coward and committed to executing on the title but instead its just trash pretending to be interesting. I do love some good trash if it commits to being trash but blegh

 

[BatCrow]

Adaptations being the issue shouldn't come as a surprise unless you are new to reading this kind of media. Be aware that can be the issue with most trash stories you experience and that the author might simply be the victim to shitty publishers and the original work could be a master piece. Also the original work could be a type of novel that will take like 30 minutes of reading just to finish one chapter and then you also find out there are like 200 hundred chapters each with roughly the same quantity of reading.

That last part is just my experience.

I've seen plenty of adaptations turn great into decent and okay to bad, but not once have I come across an adaptation that skips all the way from great novel to garbage comic.

 

[ZoronCraft]

I do feel like upgraded content happens more often with KR webtoons, but to say in the best-case scenario that it's the same is a crazy wild take.

I find it far more often that adapted versions have simplified plotlines and dumber characters, I'm kind of baffled that you seem to view it the other way. This adaptation is definitely simplified plotline + dumber characters, I see comments almost every chapter basically going "why did Z happen", and the answer is basically "because X and Y got removed, so you're just left with Z".

Yes, people say this about almost every comic adaptation based on a novel. Example: Ending Maker recently (half a year ago, holy fuck) released season 2 of the manhwa and changed a few parts of the novel. For example:

• They replaced three chapters about the meeting with the criminal boss and her backstory with just a few pages. This actually helped the pacing, mainly because the character was a one-time plot device used solely to help the main characters escape from the city.
• They cut parts of the fights, specifically the part where the FMC almost wins, but then the enemy suddenly powers up, and the MC comes to save her. In the manhwa, they made the FMC more independent as a character, which was important for the story because one of the main themes is the duet between the MC and FMC.
• They also greatly improved the development of the relationship between the FMC and her close ones, as well relationships of the side characters with each other.

Even with all these improvements, you'll still find people who complain that the adaptation worsened the story because 'they cut out X, so Y doesn't make sense,' when in reality, sometimes the absence of certain elements actually made the story more coherent and logical. But people will still complain.

Like in chapter 10:

Spoiler: Chapter 10 spoilers

Q: Why did Frey rush up to block a sword with his body instead of the sword he's holding?
A: Because in the novel he was in the middle of healing Kania when he got unexpectedly attacked from behind instead.

I can't talk about this specific example, not only because I haven't read the novel of this story, but also because I dropped the manga after the third chapter. However, the spoiler you mentioned still seems pretty similar to what I read in the comments for Never Die:Extra, where people kept telling me that reading the novel would provide a better explanation. But when I read the novel, I found, at best, the same stuff, only described in much more detail (which actually made it worse).

PS:Ending Maker(recomended if you like romance or reincarnation with two MC)
Never Die:Extra(not recomended pretty basic, and if you read only manga will literally end on the most intresting part)

 

[PogChampClap]

Yes, people say this about almost every comic adaptation based on a novel. Example: Ending Maker recently (half a year ago, holy fuck) released season 2 of the manhwa and changed a few parts of the novel. For example:

• They replaced three chapters about the meeting with the criminal boss and her backstory with just a few pages. This actually helped the pacing, mainly because the character was a one-time plot device used solely to help the main characters escape from the city.
• They cut parts of the fights, specifically the part where the FMC almost wins, but then the enemy suddenly powers up, and the MC comes to save her. In the manhwa, they made the FMC more independent as a character, which was important for the story because one of the main themes is the duet between the MC and FMC.
• They also greatly improved the development of the relationship between the FMC and her close ones, as well relationships of the side characters with each other.

Even with all these improvements, you'll still find people who complain that the adaptation worsened the story because 'they cut out X, so Y doesn't make sense,' when in reality, sometimes the absence of certain elements actually made the story more coherent and logical. But people will still complain.

I can't talk about this specific example, not only because I haven't read the novel of this story, but also because I dropped the manga after the third chapter. However, the spoiler you mentioned still seems pretty similar to what I read in the comments for Never Die:Extra, where people kept telling me that reading the novel would provide a better explanation. But when I read the novel, I found, at best, the same stuff, only described in much more detail (which actually made it worse).

PS:Ending Maker(recomended if you like romance or reincarnation with two MC)
Never Die:Extra(not recomended pretty basic, and if you read only manga will literally end on the most intresting part)

I like to think myself as someone tend to be very forgiving when it comes to manga/webtoon/anime adaptations cutting content from the source material but even this one is kinda outrageous. It isn't just a few events/monologue getting chopped off due to constraints but entire characterizations, tone/atmosphere, pacing.. almost everything is negatively impacted. The whole psychological aspect is gone, and reads more like a typical adventure story. Maybe some people will like this one more due to the fact it has a lot less misery going on but this will undermine the characters, especially the MC quite a lot.

 

[ZoronCraft]

I like to think myself as someone tend to be very forgiving when it comes to manga/webtoon/anime adaptations cutting content from the source material but even this one is kinda outrageous. It isn't just a few events/monologue getting chopped off due to constraints but entire characterizations, tone/atmosphere, pacing.. almost everything is negatively impacted. The whole psychological aspect is gone, and reads more like a typical adventure story. Maybe some people will like this one more due to the fact it has a lot less misery going on but this will undermine the characters, especially the MC quite a lot.

I consider the main problem of the story to be its premise. I just cannot believe that our MC could massacre people in the amounts described, given the character presented in the manga or what you describe in the novel. Why does it not affect him? (Yes, depression isn't what I'm talking about here, because massacring so many people would leave a deep wound on anyone who isn't a sociopath. But the character presented to us in the manga, or as you described he is in the novel, seems like someone who hasn't lived through it, but rather played a game where they did it.)

I would say this premise for a character would work in one of two scenarios: either the character is a mad villain (like Nox), committing atrocities with the belief that their end goal will eventually undo it all, or the character is a reincarnator who did these things in their first life, but after being reincarnated, they went mad. After the time rewind, the original personality returns but still retains the memories of the reincarnator.

 

[stryke105]

They don't know that he is the hero. Also his mental strength is at max so mind manipulation magic won't work on him.

I know its at max, but if he didn't regress it obviously wouldn't be so they would've been able to, since they didn't even try, its obvious that they know that he also regressed. and yeah I forgot that they didn't know he was the hero, now that I think of it the whole demon lord pretending to be the hero thing wouldn't make sense if they knew

 

[stryke105]

I consider the main problem of the story to be its premise. I just cannot believe that our MC could massacre people in the amounts described, given the character presented in the manga or what you describe in the novel. Why does it not affect him? (Yes, depression isn't what I'm talking about here, because massacring so many people would leave a deep wound on anyone who isn't a sociopath. But the character presented to us in the manga, or as you described he is in the novel, seems like someone who hasn't lived through it, but rather played a game where they did it.)

I would say this premise for a character would work in one of two scenarios: either the character is a mad villain (like Nox), committing atrocities with the belief that their end goal will eventually undo it all, or the character is a reincarnator who did these things in their first life, but after being reincarnated, they went mad. After the time rewind, the original personality returns but still retains the memories of the reincarnator.

no, he lived through it, the one who played the game was his ancestor. Also the time things are INSANELY complicated but basically there was a first cycle where the demon lord and frey were in a very close relationship and he and his waifus were happy but the demon king was a backdoor for some eldritch god that was far stronger than the world's gods so they challenged the eldritch god to a bet, thus creating the game. All the memories of the first cycle were erased from everyone as part of the bet. Frey was an (semi, the regressions shaved off a little bit of his soul each time)infinite regressor but at some point he passed on the ability to regress to Ferloche(The saintess) which is why he doesn't remember the cycles. Ferloche sealed her memories of the cycles at some point, only having them at certain times, which is why she thinks Frey is evil. some more cycles later and we got to this cycle. I may have forgotten some things or misunderstood them so take this with a grain of salt.

 

[ZoronCraft]

no, he lived through it, the one who played the game was his ancestor. Also the time things are INSANELY complicated but basically there was a first cycle where the demon lord and frey were in a very close relationship and he and his waifus were happy but the demon king was a backdoor for some eldritch god that was far stronger than the world's gods so they challenged the eldritch god to a bet, thus creating the game. All the memories of the first cycle were erased from everyone as part of the bet. Frey was an (semi, the regressions shaved off a little bit of his soul each time)infinite regressor but at some point he passed on the ability to regress to Ferloche(The saintess) which is why he doesn't remember the cycles. Ferloche sealed her memories of the cycles at some point, only having them at certain times, which is why she thinks Frey is evil. some more cycles later and we got to this cycle. I may have forgotten some things or misunderstood them so take this with a grain of salt.

I fully believe that this author would write such an incoherent and overly complicated prologue, but I still have one question for you
why did you send me this story?
This does not change the fact that our MC is presented as someone who would, without raising an eyebrow, cut a bunch of children open and then sit on a rock saying, 'Oh, what have I done?'. My complaint in this message was about the sudden leap in the character of our MC, but you tried to deflect it with water from the author.

My guy, you like this story i don't. Maybe you found there something, i don't see.

 

[stryke105]

I fully believe that this author would write such an incoherent and overly complicated prologue, but I still have one question for you
why did you send me this story?
This does not change the fact that our MC is presented as someone who would, without raising an eyebrow, cut a bunch of children open and then sit on a rock saying, 'Oh, what have I done?'. My complaint in this message was about the sudden leap in the character of our MC, but you tried to deflect it with water from the author.

My guy, you like this story i don't. Maybe you found there something, i don't see.

True, your opinion is your own. And the presentation is definitely not the best, since like most of the stuff that fleshes out his character have been cut out. I just wanted to yap about the story just because its interesting for the most part, not really trying to argue against your opinion.

 

[Ribath]

I fully believe that this author would write such an incoherent and overly complicated prologue, but I still have one question for you
why did you send me this story?
This does not change the fact that our MC is presented as someone who would, without raising an eyebrow, cut a bunch of children open and then sit on a rock saying, 'Oh, what have I done?'. My complaint in this message was about the sudden leap in the character of our MC, but you tried to deflect it with water from the author.

My guy, you like this story i don't. Maybe you found there something, i don't see.

He just wrote completely unnecessary stuff.
The "actual" prologue is just what chapter 1 was. He is forced to kill the main heroines in order to unlock a hidden route, since this is the only way that he can save all of the heroines (and this isn't explicitly explained on this adaptation but you can kinda understand that). Though, according to what his ancestor told him, the heroines weren't supposed to keep their memories.
The MC isn't someone that would kill children. Afaik the only innocent people he actually kills are the heroines (because he's "forced" to) and all his evil acts are "fake" ones (which is why the heroines slowly find out he's actually someone kind and fall in love with him again).
Still, his personality is really cheesy since he's supposed to be kind to a fault, even going as far as using his family's money to secretly donate to charities/orphanages/etc. (his family is insanely rich, which also isn't explained here but you can also fill in the blanks on this).
The story is still really cheesy with a lot of deus ex machina moments and the penalties he's supposed to receive don't feel as harsh as they were supposed to be, but that's the kind of story it is.
I don't think the original story is a masterpiece, but this is still a really bad adaptation considering we don't really get as deep of an insight on what the characters are actually going through and a lot of details that build up important moments are just skimmed over. (I don't mind stuff that isn't that useful to the overall story being skipped for the sake of better fluidity on a long strip adaptation, but to the point where a lot of the meaning is stripped from major scenes is obviously a bad idea).

 

[Lando833]

I actually think something they should have done to improve things with the webtoon is a fakeout chapter 1. They should have framed it like it was a standard isekai story featuring the first hero, before blitzing through it and skipping his journey until the very end of it before switching to Frey, as is they skipped the big infodump that was originally at the start of the novel explaining the setting, but gave nothing to replace it.

I'll see how it turns out though, since it looks like they're touching on this aspect starting with chapter 20.

 

[KinGrove]

As someone who has no stake in reading the Novel and is just judging it from this Manwha, its pretty average if not bad.

If anything going off of what Novel reader are saying this is overall a lower quality way to experience the story since they can't find a decent way to portray and condense the novel and it really shows in various areas.

Many parts where the MC is supposed to be "hiding" his good deed through "villainous acts" seem incredibly dumb.

Like how did he not expect to get caught when does so little hide the fact he's involved? Not to mention very little mistakes such as conveniently dropping his family's locket/badge at the scene of the crime
, or one of the Heroines having the ability to conveniently read his memories and know about his struggle.

You have to read this with a wide berth of disbelief to give any credit to MC who is propped up as some mastermind who was able to trick all the Heroines into thinking he was evil when the author keeps pulling up excuses out of thin air/dues ex machina to keep the premise of the plot going.

 

[Photonicflame]

I do feel like upgraded content happens more often with KR webtoons, but to say in the best-case scenario that it's the same is a crazy wild take.

Additionally the fact this is a Japanese studio adapting a Korean work.

 

[Lando833]

You have to read this with a wide berth of disbelief to give any credit to MC who is propped up as some mastermind who was able to trick all the Heroines into thinking he was evil when the author keeps pulling up excuses out of thin air/dues ex machina to keep the premise of the plot going.

It was easier in the "first run" because he could actually do terrible things knowing that it would all get undone at the end, but in the "false evil run" he's doing his best to avoid actually permanently harming anyone, at least physically if not emotionally.

But another major thing that was skipped inbetween the adaptation was that his family was in on it in the "first run", there was no penalties for just telling them about the truth and having them help out, and they had been helping since they first learned of the prophecy years ago.

But the system erases their memory of ever knowing about the true prophecy when the "false evil" run started, so Frey doesn't instantly die getting hit by like a dozen stacks from anyone in the mansion that was helping until then.

 

[TLR038]

I still don't really get it. Seems to me that he also had to be a dick in his previous run, after being told by the previous hero, when he killed all the FMC; but it also seems like he was perfectly fine up until the moment he betrayed them, and even then the FMCs all acted like they knew he was going to be an enemy from the start. Make up your mind!

Everyone seems to be saying the novel is better than this, which is almost always the case, so maybe I'll give that a try. Hopefully the novel has ended, because the overall plot is generic to the point that this is just a holdover binge for a better manga/hwa.

 

[PogChampClap]

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[Ribath]

As someone who has no stake in reading the Novel and is just judging it from this Manwha, its pretty average if not bad.

If anything going off of what Novel reader are saying this is overall a lower quality way to experience the story since they can't find a decent way to portray and condense the novel and it really shows in various areas.

Many parts where the MC is supposed to be "hiding" his good deed through "villainous acts" seem incredibly dumb.

Like how did he not expect to get caught when does so little hide the fact he's involved? Not to mention very little mistakes such as conveniently dropping his family's locket/badge at the scene of the crime
, or one of the Heroines having the ability to conveniently read his memories and know about his struggle.

You have to read this with a wide berth of disbelief to give any credit to MC who is propped up as some mastermind who was able to trick all the Heroines into thinking he was evil when the author keeps pulling up excuses out of thin air/dues ex machina to keep the premise of the plot going.

Yeah, the fake evil acts are one of the weakest points of the story and are very forced. Like, there are rumors of him torturing, raping and killing people even though no one ever explicitly sees him do it. (Granted, he spread those rumors himself with his connections but everyone just believes the rumors without any evidence just because he acts like an asshole).

 

[fusioncoilchaos]

I pity the mc because he have the same constitution as Grimm, a tragic hero and have simillar lifespan as red hood. Like Grimm, they also both killed their lovers at least once. And it seems like there is also an entity that is manipulating his memory just like Grimm.

 

[Yaderx]

I fully believe that this author would write such an incoherent and overly complicated prologue, but I still have one question for you
why did you send me this story?
This does not change the fact that our MC is presented as someone who would, without raising an eyebrow, cut a bunch of children open and then sit on a rock saying, 'Oh, what have I done?'. My complaint in this message was about the sudden leap in the character of our MC, but you tried to deflect it with water from the author.

My guy, you like this story i don't. Maybe you found there something, i don't see.

One thing to mention, the deaths of the main heroines were changed in the manhwa. Out of the 5, the only two whose deaths he personally saw are the Princess and the Warlock. The prologue itself doesn't say how he felt about those, but when it's actually shown how he felt it was clear that he was anything but unfazed.
In the novel, as a coping mechanism, Frey is constantlly telling himself that he has to endure and keep going because he is a hero and has to save the world because otherwise he would collapse. In general the manhwa removes most of the emotional aspects and severily downplays how he is affected.
A good example is in the last chapter
After leaving from visiting his home, he is perfecly fine in the manhwa while in the novel he had a mental breakdown with auditory hallucinations, dude is anything but unaffected.