The Man-Killer Otokoro-san - Ch. 1

[mommunism]

@Angelonius Right, calling for equality triggers you because you think it makes someone a "harcore leftist SJW," confirming exactly what I said in my original comment.

@crazybars Nice "both sides" meme, but let's try not to move goalposts. You aren't upset about communists, you're upset about SJWs, which are harmless.

@Solzhenhasbeen Nice conspiracy theory. My name is a joke, just like you.

 

[Angelonius]

Wrong. If anything, the SJWs have ruined any calls for equality with their hypocrisy and utter lack of empathy.

 

[crazybars]

@mommunism

You are avoiding talking about my comment by attacking my character.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

I have never insulted you mommunism, so please stay on topic and let us be courteous.


Communism and Feminism as ideas co-evolved because they're both about equality. A moderate Communist is called a Socialist. Socialism is not a bad thing in itself as Unemployment benefits Public transit and public works projects are usually funded by them. In moderation, Socialism, Feminism and Racial equality are great.


There are many Universities, Libraries and News Papers talking about how Communism and Feminism were heavily related in the distant past. Of course this was no longer a thing by the 1950s-60s in America and Western countries because of how blatantly the Communist Governments of the Cold War broke their promise for Social change to Feminists and Racial Equality Groups.

====================== Sources on the History of Communist Governments breaking their Promises of Social Equality.

---> University of Michigan on Sexual Equality and Marxism developed at the same time and are related.
http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~delittle/Entry%20communism%20and%20marxism%20on%20gender%20v2.htm


-->New York Times dated: 1984
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/17/style/emigre-talks-about-feminism-in-the-soviet-union.html

-->An except from Indiana University Northwest
http://www.iun.edu/~hisdcl/h207_2002/chang2.htm

Indiana University Northwest------>https://www.iun.edu/

-->An unbiased source
http://theconversation.com/the-russian-revolution-a-reflection-on-the-role-of-women-revolutionaries-85118

-->From the British Library
https://www.bl.uk/russian-revolution/articles/women-and-the-russian-revolution

-->New York Times again, About Feminism and how the Chinese government Broke it's promise of Equality.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/women-china-communist-revolution.html

-->A Libertarian Think Tank on the subject
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/soviet-gender-equality-women-gulag

-->This one is hosted by the International Marxists Tendency, A Trotskyist organization who want to preserve the Marxists beliefs of Pre-Stalin Russia and Lenin before Stalin messed it up

https://www.bolshevik.info/women-before-during-and-after-the-russian-revolution.htm

---->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marxist_Tendency

 

[mommunism]

@crazybars What? How can my comment possibly be interpreted as an ad-hom? You changed the topic from SJWs to the entirety of the left and when I point it out you accuse me of 1) attacking your character and 2) changing the topic. Incredible. Saying that communism and feminism are related doesn't make SJWs harmful, which was your original claim. The SJWs you dislike don't believe even close to the same things as the historical ones you're pointing to and even if they did the topic isn't SJWs views on communism, it's their views on gender, which is the only thing the manga is about and it's what you originally tried to argue. Even if it was their views on communism, they would almost certainly dislike it given your own evidence for communism betraying them. Stop grasping at straws and just acknowledge that you're simply statistically wrong about the harm SJWs do to the west. They hurt feelings while the far right kills people.

 

[Solzhenhasbeen]

@kuma You got mad enough at the original posts to reee about them in the comment section in the first place lmao. I'm just here to bully you about it.

@mommunism it's well recorded that the GAO is unreliable lmao. that statistic you gave for terror statistics includes gang stabbings by whites in prison regardless of ideology because 'hurr if they're white and they're attacking someone then the must be right wing extremists'. The big joke is that most shootings, which is what you're probably more focused on anyway, are actually done by libshits or people with a declining mental state that gained access to weapons illegally. Again, they retroactively got labelled as terrorists after the fact because they happened to be white.
For a joke name it fits you pretty well, but maybe you should change it to NPCunism to make it a little more accurate ha ha.

 

[kuma]

@Solzhenhasbeen the one reeing is them tho, not me. look how colorful this comment section. LMAO

 

[mommunism]

@Solzhenhasbeen You've already outed yourself. I don't care to argue with a crazy person. You're willing to blatantly lie to yourself and to others to justify the things you believe, just as you're doing in this comment about prison stabbings (ideology is a very visibly documented factor of every single incident in the report). Your hint at the JQ is enough for me to wonder whether you're just offended at the notion of the extremist right being perceived negatively in the first place. The fact that people believe what you is nothing more than a testament to human stupidity. It's not worth humoring.

 

[crazybars]

@mommunism

You're not reading my comments.

We're not even arguing anymore I already wrote I agree, historical SJWs are not the same group as modern ones.. Modern Moderate SJWs and Socialists are good for society as a whole.


What I don't like are modern Extreme Far Left Sjws and Racial equality groups because again, they preach equality, while in practice, they're actually not because they take it too far to the extreme.

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As for why I said your comment was an Ad Hominem attack, it's quite simple. I never wrote a single comment saying I disliked SJWs, yet you put words in my mouth and implied I disliked SJWs. Far Left SJWs, yes I hate, SJWs nope.

. . . . now that I think about it, that's probably Strawman. Alright I was wrong about that one. Sorry, I meant Strawman.
I won't hold it against you though because SJW and Extreme Left SJW both have SJW in them so our minds might be playing tricks on the both of us.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman


*edit: 7:08 4/29/19
Sigh, spelled both as bot.

 

[mommunism]

@crazybars I am reading your comments, you're just not comprehending the argument. I've been referring to SJWs as a whole. You're saying a sect of them is harmful. That means they, as a whole, do harm (not net harm, just harm). And it's not a strawman when I say that what you're upset about is SJWs. That's exactly what you're upset about. You don't have to be upset about every single one for that statement to be true, especially given the context of it (which was just to say your initial tirade wasn't against other separate groups).

 

[crazybars]

@mommunism

But I said I like SJWs as a whole in the comments you said you read, I don't understand. You said you read my comments? How did you get the idea I hate SJWs entirely.


And no, I said I like SJWs as a whole, that means what you said was a Strawman Fallacy. You put words in my mouth that weren't true.

 

[Angelonius]

@crazybars @Solzhenhasbeen Let the records show that mommunism, Hiex91 and kuma don't care about the facts.

 

[mommunism]

@crazybars I literally just told you I'm not saying you hate them entirely. Reread my previous comment.

@Angelonius I'm the only one who has cited statistics on their side here. Do you really feel the need to @ and jerk off the people who already agree with you?

 

[Angelonius]

"I'm the only one who has cited statistics on their side here. Do you really feel the need to @ and jerk off the people who already agree with you?"
L I A R
You claim to be the only one who had posted sources and yet you ignore the fact that crazybars did the same thing. Pathetic.

 

[ad_chiat]

@crazybars

Communism and Feminism as ideas co-evolved because they're both about equality

wtf are you talking about, marx and engels were very explicitly against equality (In fact Marx avoids any form of moral judgements in his theory, he never says capitalism is unjust or communism will lead to a just form of society).https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/letters/75_03_18.htm

The concept of a socialist society as a realm of equality is a one-sided French concept deriving from the old “liberty, equality, fraternity,” a concept which was justified in that, in its own time and place, it signified a phase of development, but which, like all the one-sided ideas of earlier socialist schools, ought now to be superseded, since they produce nothing but mental confusion, and more accurate ways of presenting the matter have been discovered

More expansive arguments are in gotha kritik, if you want. And while marxism did influence feminist movements, there were a lot of non-communist feminists like Jeremy Bentham who used Locke's classical liberalism to advance feminist positions. Most modern feminists (and marxists) also reject marxist feminism as being too one dimensional in terms of theory. Also I would like to point out that far leftist (leftcoms etc) consider SJWs and identity politics to be a part of bourgeois appartus and reject them as being counter-revolutionary.

 

[crazybars]

@mommunism
Okies. Gotcha. I agree that SJWs as a whole are not bad for society or the world also.

Yeah, I think we both should agree to this and just leave our comment chain interaction as is and part ways. This is a good spot to leave it.

Have a good one!

 

[crazybars]

@ad_chiat

Marxism did not create Feminism . . . . obviously . . . . . Feminism was started by Mary Wollstonecraft in response to Rousseau and his enlightenment ideas conveniently leaving women out of his ideal Democratic society.

However, Marxism, Communism and Feminism as well as Racial Equality really took off and got traction after the 1st world war and the trend continued. This is what I mean by Co-evolved, the ideas shared common values based on Equality and thus influenced each other greatly over this period.

You are correct, Feminism not just some Communist sock puppet after all, it was it's own separate movement.

 

[ad_chiat]

@crazybars I don't think you get my point, marxism and communism are not about equality. Feminism was influenced by marxism, but not because they shared values like equality, rather feminism borrowed some parts of marxism like conflict theory. Also because communists were social revolutionaries and incorporated feminists agenda in their movements.

 

[mommunism]

@Angelonius Stats != sources, and his sources weren't about SJWs.

 

[crazybars]

@ad_chiat

Classless society are composed of individuals that are all equal right? Uh....... 😴

Honestly I just remember being taught this idea of a classless society where everyone was equal was very attractive to members of social reform groups like Feminism and Racial Equality groups and Workers rights groups etc.

It could be Communism as a concept attracts these groups and ideas naturally, or Communism attached itself to the idea of these groups, it's out of my expertise because usually we skipped to Leninism and Marxism-Leninism and the shitshow that results when the State tries to enforce Equality of Economic outcomes on economies with no profit incentives.

 

[Solzhenhasbeen]

@Angelonius yeha they're not the brightest bulbs in the pack. maybe something'll click in the next, I dunno, 4 pages of comments.