The Most Heretical Last Boss Queen Who Will Become the Source of Tragedy Will Devote Herself for the Sake of the People - Vol. 3 Ch. 12.5

[MangaDex]

 

[Verypeeved]

excuse me. "her rationale is sound" the fuck you say? What rationale? buggering off like a coward and hoping for the best? Fuck that craven cunt.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

excuse me. "her rationale is sound" the fuck you say? What rationale? buggering off like a coward and hoping for the best? Fuck that craven cunt.

Because she had precognition, whatever she saw will happen, it is inevitable.

She was caring for Pryde, the vision was there, her being isolated from daughter and it still remained the same.

This is how it works, because if she took actions preventing Pryde to become evil and it somehow made a change, she wouldn't know to take precautions because she would be good. Paradox.

Her choosing to isolate herself did "condemned" Pryde to become evil as we think, but it saved Tiara who at least made her ruling to the end.

 

[SaltyTiger]

Because she had precognition, whatever she saw will happen, it is inevitable.

If her precognition is inevitable then there is no reason for her to abandon Pryde, because doing so won’t change anything. If she thought the future could not be changed then she should have just acted how she wanted. She sucks.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

If her precognition is inevitable then there is no reason for her to abandon Pryde, because doing so won’t change anything. If she thought the future could not be changed then she should have just acted how she wanted. She sucks.

Can always make things "better to stomach", but then again her precognition started to not be so clear after some time mc being isekaied so Pryde actions may still change the future.

 

[Hiibiki]

Because she had precognition, whatever she saw will happen, it is inevitable.

She was caring for Pryde, the vision was there, her being isolated from daughter and it still remained the same.

This is how it works, because if she took actions preventing Pryde to become evil and it somehow made a change, she wouldn't know to take precautions because she would be good. Paradox.

Her choosing to isolate herself did "condemned" Pryde to become evil as we think, but it saved Tiara who at least made her ruling to the end.

Exactly, she is blinded by fear that she didn't thought, isolating herself from Pryde would causing her downfall.

 

[MJTH]

This is just my interpretation, but at least according to this manga's translated chapters, the Queen's precognitions are always that 'Pryde would grow up to be a cruel and horrid' and not that 'Pryde would grow up to be a cruel and horrid queen'. I think that it is worth noting this because when you think of it like that then Queen Rosa's treatment of Pryde, whilst not good, at least seem thought out.

Working with the assumption that Rosa only knows that Pryde will be horrible in the future, there is some logic to specifically isolating herself from Pryde. Pryde as the eldest daughter is under normal circumstances first in line to the throne. We know as readers that it was Rosa and Albert's fates to die making Pryde Queen. However, from Queen Rosa's perspective whilst Pryde becoming terrible is a fact, Pryde becoming the next Queen is not set in stone. As such the plan (as stated in chapter 5) was to try to set in motion the idea that Tiara would actually become heir to the throne and not Pryde. Raising Tiara with love, whilst isolating Pryde in order show who was favoured to be the next queen. That way even when Pryde ends up as a bad person, the harm to the kingdom is limited since Tiara would be the next queen.

Now obviously this is a flawed plan, as shown by the plot of the otome game. However, I wouldn't go as far as to say that the Queen is a bad mother, for two reasons. First of all, as the Queen she had to make the decision between the happiness of her daughter and the future of her kingdom and she chose her kingdom. But this isn't the kind of decision any normal parent would ever have to make and frankly she handled it in the tamest way possible. If she really didn't care, she could have done so many worse things to Pryde to secure the kingdom's future. She could have just had Pryde killed because she was a major threat to the Kingdoms future. And second of all, it's clear that she loves Pryde. She knows that she treats Pryde without love and it saddens her greatly. And in chapter 5 when she sees for the first time that her precognitions (which have never been wrong before) may have for the first time ever changed she instantly starts feel regret for her actions and laments what could have been.

Now I'm not going to say that Rosa is a great mother, because the way she isolated Pryde wasn't right and Rosa is fully aware of it. However, when compared to so many terrible mothers you see in manga (and in IRL to be honest), at the very least that fact that Rosa at no point was happy about what she was doing, and that she instantly regrets it says to me that Queen Rosa isn't a bad mother either. She cares and loves her daughter, but had to do what was best for her kingdom.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

This is just my interpretation, but at least according to this manga's translated chapters, the Queen's precognitions are always that 'Pryde would grow up to be a cruel and horrid' and not that 'Pryde would grow up to be a cruel and horrid queen'. I think that it is worth noting this because when you think of it like that then Queen Rosa's treatment of Pryde, whilst not good, at least seem thought out.

Working with the assumption that Rosa only knows that Pryde will be horrible in the future, there is some logic to specifically isolating herself from Pryde. Pryde as the eldest daughter is under normal circumstances first in line to the throne. We know as readers that it was Rosa and Albert's fates to die making Pryde Queen. However, from Queen Rosa's perspective whilst Pryde becoming terrible is a fact, Pryde becoming the next Queen is not set in stone. As such the plan (as stated in chapter 5) was to try to set in motion the idea that Tiara would actually become heir to the throne and not Pryde. Raising Tiara with love, whilst isolating Pryde in order show who was favoured to be the next queen. That way even when Pryde ends up as a bad person, the harm to the kingdom is limited since Tiara would be the next queen.

Now obviously this is a flawed plan, as shown by the plot of the otome game. However, I wouldn't go as far as to say that the Queen is a bad mother, for two reasons. First of all, as the Queen she had to make the decision between the happiness of her daughter and the future of her kingdom and she chose her kingdom. But this isn't the kind of decision any normal parent would ever have to make and frankly she handled it in the tamest way possible. If she really didn't care, she could have done so many worse things to Pryde to secure the kingdom's future. She could have just had Pryde killed because she was a major threat to the Kingdoms future. And second of all, it's clear that she loves Pryde. She knows that she treats Pryde without love and it saddens her greatly. And in chapter 5 when she sees for the first time that her precognitions (which have never been wrong before) may have for the first time ever changed she instantly starts feel regret for her actions and laments what could have been.

Now I'm not going to say that Rosa is a great mother, because the way she isolated Pryde wasn't right and Rosa is fully aware of it. However, when compared to so many terrible mothers you see in manga (and in IRL to be honest), at the very least that fact that Rosa at no point was happy about what she was doing, and that she instantly regrets it says to me that Queen Rosa isn't a bad mother either. She cares and loves her daughter, but had to do what was best for her kingdom.

Well, if she had been actually bad, not care at least the slightest and knowing inevitably what Pryde would become, she could just... you know... very, very late term abortion...

Albeit that would save quite a lot people tho', but then again the love for her might just blinded her or didn't knew due to cunning nature.

 

[Protoayi]

Rosa choosing to run* from Pryde reminds me of the countless stories of people taking action to defy prophecy and failing. Here, Rosa's neglect of OG!Pryde ended up being the very thing that caused OG!Pryde to become the terrible person the prophecy said she would become.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Rosa choosing to run* from Pryde reminds me of the countless stories of people taking action to defy prophecy and failing. Here, Rosa's neglect of OG!Pryde ended up being the very thing that caused OG!Pryde to become the terrible person the prophecy said she would become.

You need to think how knowing of the future works, if you say foreseen "an apple fall off the table", there's no specific actions leading to the inevitable since you only seen it does.
Now you would try putting an apple in a basket or set it stalk up, which is a way to prevent it, but seeing the future means that you probably did try that and the reason for an apple to fall is because you tried to prevent it.

In say, Mushoku Tensei, Rudeus obtained possibility to see some time in the future but also have seen all possible actions along the way and adapt to the changing circumstances, further he reached with the vision the more branching visions he had, making him flooded with countless other possible outcomes.
Rosa only has a vision of set event, whatever action she would partake it's set in stone.

 

[GEV89]

The visions began when the Queen was still acting as a loving and caring mother. So it's understandable that she starts to think that it's this way of acting that will lead Pryde to become a bad person, so she looks in her own education for a way to try to change the future and distances herself from her daughter.
But views do not change. It must be pretty desperate.
With this chapter I managed to understand the Queen's reasoning, but I don't agree.
As soon as she walked away and the visions didn't change, she should have reconnected.

 

[Kaarme]

The visions began when the Queen was still acting as a loving and caring mother. So it's understandable that she starts to think that it's this way of acting that will lead Pryde to become a bad person, so she looks in her own education for a way to try to change the future and distances herself from her daughter.
But views do not change. It must be pretty desperate.
With this chapter I managed to understand the Queen's reasoning, but I don't agree.
As soon as she walked away and the visions didn't change, she should have reconnected.

No, your interpretation most likely isn't correct. Like MJTH said, Rosa knows Pryde will become rotten, no matter the circumstances, from her vision, so her one and only priority was to make sure Pryde won't become the next monarch. An individual citizen being cruel is nothing compared to the autocrat of a country being cruel. By pushing Pryde away, it was clear to the court, officials, and nobles that Pryde isn't any heiress apparent. Like I wrote in the comments of an earlier chapter, if Rosa really wanted to be a thorough queen, she should have had Pryde liquidated, but apparently she didn't possess the ruthlessness for that, plus Albert still going to meet Pryde regularly must have made it even more difficult.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

The visions began when the Queen was still acting as a loving and caring mother. So it's understandable that she starts to think that it's this way of acting that will lead Pryde to become a bad person, so she looks in her own education for a way to try to change the future and distances herself from her daughter.
But views do not change. It must be pretty desperate.
With this chapter I managed to understand the Queen's reasoning, but I don't agree.
As soon as she walked away and the visions didn't change, she should have reconnected.

It's a paradox, if her actions were in good intent then there's no vision, if there's no vision there shouldn't be any action.
Then there's destiny, she was supposed to be bad either way and her keeping other daughter safe would be the best option.
Things changed after isekai, as she stated that the predestination isn't clear any more.

 

[ardness]

Geez why so many poeple cannot understand

Just think about it
The key is What is the time the queen can see her daughter future to become bad queens?

Did it happen when she tryng to ignore pride? No!!
It happens when she spoiling that child
And its keep happening

Thats why she want to prevent it

Its tricky to see the future
Because u dont know what cause it that future .

It is happen because u want prevent it or because u ignore it and just do normally until it become real? No one know!

Lets take example
a student comming to u and want learns something from u.
Later lets say u can see the future that student become a terroris what will u do? Ignore it or still accept it?

 

[SpecialProjectY]

a student comming to u and want learns something from u.
Later lets say u can see the future that student become a terroris what will u do? Ignore it or still accept it?

Time paradox, if you seen the future, it will happen because if it didn't, there wouldn't be a vision. Well, unless you're living in some sort of time bubble, completely out of time and space...

But the thing is, her predestination went "clouded" when isekai happened so everything is on the right tracks so far mc keeps being a good girl ; )

 

[Druhms]

Damn, the age old trope of a self-fulfilling prophecy, I can understand the queen's actions, albeit only somewhat, but I guess it is a trope that happens to a lot of precognition users.
But if you think about it logically, the parent's behavior has a lot of influence on the child, so if the queen stayed course with her attitude of just spoiling child Pryde, it could contribute to the development of Pryde's twisted behavior, but after seeing the precognitions, the queen just went from one extreme to another, from spoiling Pryde to straight up ignoring her, if she had tried to act a bit more mildly, like being a strict but caring parent, it could lead to preventing the precognition Pryde being cruel.
But I guess we haven't seen the queen's past experiences about trying to change something from her precognition abilities, like trying and failing to change a future, and the queen is under a lot of emotional stress seeing her child committing massacres(?), at least I think that's what's going on in the precognition, and this is an emotional situation, but I guess I expected the queen to act a bit more rationally after all the training she went through in her childhood.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Damn, the age old trope of a self-fulfilling prophecy, I can understand the queen's actions, albeit only somewhat, but I guess it is a trope that happens to a lot of precognition users.
But if you think about it logically, the parent's behavior has a lot of influence on the child, so if the queen stayed course with her attitude of just spoiling child Pryde, it could contribute to the development of Pryde's twisted behavior, but after seeing the precognitions, the queen just went from one extreme to another, from spoiling Pryde to straight up ignoring her, if she had tried to act a bit more mildly, like being a strict but caring parent, it could lead to preventing the precognition Pryde being cruel.
But I guess we haven't seen the queen's past experiences about trying to change something from her precognition abilities, like trying and failing to change a future, and the queen is under a lot of emotional stress seeing her child committing massacres(?), at least I think that's what's going on in the precognition, and this is an emotional situation, but I guess I expected the queen to act a bit more rationally after all the training she went through in her childhood.

But what if being strict but caring parent led to Pryde being evil, if it weren't, then there wouldn't be precognition?

Might be that the queen had mild to good visions so far and what will happen to become of Pryde sort of, shocked her a bit...

What made a change, it's the protagonist taking charge, then finally her visions begun to be not so clear.

 

[AnonDePlume]

People are saying "self-fulfilling prophecy", but it’s not even really that. It’s more like a railroaded prophecy. She sees the future of Pryde becoming evil, so she tries to be more loving, but the visions still persist. She tries to be more distant, but the visions don’t change. It’s only after Pryde went through her awakening (aka when her previous life’s memories took over) did the future become murky to her. In other words, up until that point, Pryde’s future was basically set in stone that she would become an absolutely terrible person. The only variable that was able to change the course of the future was having Pryde’s previous life take the wheel

 

[Dwarfy2k]

People are saying "self-fulfilling prophecy", but it’s not even really that. It’s more like a railroaded prophecy. She sees the future of Pryde becoming evil, so she tries to be more loving, but the visions still persist. She tries to be more distant, but the visions don’t change. It’s only after Pryde went through her awakening (aka when her previous life’s memories took over) did the future become murky to her. In other words, up until that point, Pryde’s future was basically set in stone that she would become an absolutely terrible person. The only variable that was able to change the course of the future was having Pryde’s previous life take the wheel

Except her seeing the future of Pryde going bad could have been cause she eventually abandons her. The visions don't have to change cause the initial visions are based upon her abandoning Pryde. I'd bet a shiny nickle that if she kept loving Pryde she'd have never gone evil.

Pryde becomes like she is because she is abandoned simple as that. The Mother really is a terrible mother and queen and doesn't seem to realise that. If all the visions are predetermined then how come it changed when FMC gained memories from previous life? If it was all predetermined then it'd have taken that into account.