The Saga of Tanya the Evil - Vol. 25 Ch. 80 - Long-Distance Reconnaissance Mission VI

[MangaDex]

 

[cryum]

So if they had stopped here, it would be a repeat of the previous engagements where there is a clear winner but the other sides are only encouraged to band together against the empire.

To properly stem any will of opposition, they have to take things all the way to the capital using only a single elite unit and minimal support.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Tanya: We must protect the liberal world from totalitarianism.
Also Tanya in the same chapter: we will capture Moscow, something that emperors and dictators failed to do.

The meta irony of this story is on some galactic level.

So if they had stopped here, it would be a repeat of the previous engagements where there is a clear winner but the other sides are only encouraged to band together against the empire.

To properly stem any will of opposition, they have to take things all the way to the capital using only a single elite unit and minimal support.

Sometimes I can't tell if Zen is writing one of those fanfics where the author's avatar almost single-handedly wins World War II or if parodying the whole thing.

 

[damadicius]

I don’t remember the emperor part in the novel, maybe it’s a manga exclusive.

And if it progresses like this maybe we’ll get to see arguably the most repulsive deviant of all characters soon

 

[SuperOniichan]

I don’t remember the emperor part in the novel, maybe it’s a manga exclusive.

And if it progresses like this maybe we’ll get to see arguably the most repulsive deviant of all characters soon

Do you really think that his appearance could be a spoiler in such a story?

 

[Rouk]

Thank you for the translation

 

[vonisme]

I feel patriotic for the empire

 

[damadicius]

Do you really think that his appearance could be a spoiler in such a story?

I know people who’d consider saying “I like this piece of media” before they get to form their own thoughts set them with expectations and ruin their possible experience without my comment.

 

[SuperOniichan]

I know people who’d consider saying “I like this piece of media” before they get to form their own thoughts set them with expectations and ruin their possible experience without my comment.

I'm just saying that most people who are interested in this period of history are likely very familiar with this man and the things that revolve around him.

 

[StealthAria]

So if they had stopped here, it would be a repeat of the previous engagements where there is a clear winner but the other sides are only encouraged to band together against the empire.

To properly stem any will of opposition, they have to take things all the way to the capital using only a single elite unit and minimal support.

Swiftly taking down the capital is an excellent way to strop conflict before it can really start, but it overlooks one of the important rules Germany learned from WWII: don't invade Russia in the winter.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Swiftly taking down the capital is an excellent way to strop conflict before it can really start, but it overlooks one of the important rules Germany learned from WWII: don't invade Russia in the winter.

You also forgot to add "already being at war with another part of Europe." But I don’t remember this story well, perhaps Tanya had already managed to defeat the British and Americans.

 

[comwes907]

important rules Germany learned from WWII: don't invade Russia in the winter.

It might be glossed over in this comic, but the book clearly shows that Russia intended to attack. Imperial intelligence figured it out quickly and decided to counterattack if possible.

 

[SuperOniichan]

It might be glossed over in this comic, but the book clearly shows that Russia intended to attack. Imperial intelligence figured it out quickly and decided to counterattack if possible.

Um, that was in the last chapter, didn't you read it? It even sparked a comment war over whether this was true in real life lmao.

 

[StealthAria]

You also forgot to add "already being at war with another part of Europe." But I don’t remember this story well, perhaps Tanya had already managed to defeat the British and Americans.

Even if Germany had no other adversaries at the time, they still would have struggled and at best would have barely beaten Russia. The frigid temperatures of Russian winter slows the advance to a crawl and makes the vast empty spaces take even longer to cross, most of the troops would freeze to death without ever seeing combat and the problem would only get worse as they push deeper and the supply train gets longer. The Russians however have an actual homefield advantage, they're used to the weather and know the terrain so they can launch an ambush from anywhere at any time, and they have ready access to supplies as well as the ability to destroy the stockpiles whenever they need to abandon a position even temporarily.

In the modern day it isn't much of a problem dealing with the cold because everything has heating and AC as well as good insulation, but even though Tanya has magic their tech is still just a mix of WWI and WWII, they don't have the luxury of those modern conveniences. All the 203rd battalion has to keep them warm is their own body heat and maybe a bit of protection if they have the appropriate spells and the magic to spare.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Even if Germany had no other adversaries at the time, they still would have struggled and at best would have barely beaten Russia. The frigid temperatures of Russian winter slows the advance to a crawl and makes the vast empty spaces take even longer to cross, most of the troops would freeze to death without ever seeing combat and the problem would only get worse as they push deeper and the supply train gets longer. The Russians however have an actual homefield advantage, they're used to the weather and know the terrain so they can launch an ambush from anywhere at any time, and they have ready access to supplies as well as the ability to destroy the stockpiles whenever they need to abandon a position even temporarily.

In the modern day it isn't much of a problem dealing with the cold because everything has heating and AC as well as good insulation, but even though Tanya has magic their tech is still just a mix of WWI and WWII, they don't have the luxury of those modern conveniences. All the 203rd battalion has to keep them warm is their own body heat and maybe a bit of protection if they have the appropriate spells and the magic to spare.

Well, the war started in June, which is far from winter. Another thing is that the blitzkrieg failed and Hitler, like Napoleon, learned all the delights of General Frost. However, it would be an extreme simplification to reduce everything to the weather.

Including, but I think that manga and LN, like any fiction, noticeably overestimate the role of the individual compared to real life. Of course, the Nazis were obsessed with the idea of strong individuals who changed history and all that, but in real life many things are the result of the collective work of people. I doubt that Otto Skorzeny could have defeated Russia and captured Moscow with a group of people. However, with the same logic, I can blame the work on the fact that there were no magicians in the real war, and Stalin's Russia was not a contemporary of the German Empire, lmao.

 

[toapat]

So if they had stopped here, it would be a repeat of the previous engagements where there is a clear winner but the other sides are only encouraged to band together against the empire.

To properly stem any will of opposition, they have to take things all the way to the capital using only a single elite unit and minimal support.

they need to Obliterate Moskova Oblast and then keep heading east to Ural-Krav and wipe that off the face of the earth. while St. Petersberg/Leningrad and Volgograd/Stalingrad are important for Morale, Moscow is the engineered transit hub of the Romanov Imperial Domain and the Ural megafactory operates purely on American Charity. Although asking those objectives of the 203rd is basically impossible.

 

[sdarkpaladin]

Wtf did the last page say? Were there punctuations missing or something?

 

[Bloodseed]

I am honestly surprised. It's not difficult to temporarily take control or attack Moscow but it's difficult to maintain control over it. Even if they want to stretch the supply line by extending the frontier to the city, I am not certain how that would be a good decision.

 

[al_pacino]

I don’t remember the emperor part in the novel, maybe it’s a manga exclusive.

And if it progresses like this maybe we’ll get to see arguably the most repulsive deviant of all characters soon

well... back in general meeting with North Sea Imperial Navy (around ch 20 maybe), you also won't see a lick about other commander. beardy admiral don't exist in novel, I don't remember about noble captain existence in novel, there's hardly any presence of submarine commander (ex-pirate) too.

 

[commandodude]

Even if Germany had no other adversaries at the time, they still would have struggled and at best would have barely beaten Russia. The frigid temperatures of Russian winter slows the advance to a crawl and makes the vast empty spaces take even longer to cross, most of the troops would freeze to death without ever seeing combat and the problem would only get worse as they push deeper and the supply train gets longer. The Russians however have an actual homefield advantage, they're used to the weather and know the terrain so they can launch an ambush from anywhere at any time, and they have ready access to supplies as well as the ability to destroy the stockpiles whenever they need to abandon a position even temporarily.

In the modern day it isn't much of a problem dealing with the cold because everything has heating and AC as well as good insulation, but even though Tanya has magic their tech is still just a mix of WWI and WWII, they don't have the luxury of those modern conveniences. All the 203rd battalion has to keep them warm is their own body heat and maybe a bit of protection if they have the appropriate spells and the magic to spare.

If it was just a war between Germany (plus minor allies) and just USSR I don't think there's any question Germany would win.
IRL Germany had to station something like a million troops in various occupied countries in western Europe. And also had to dedicate significant resources to defending that territory (weapons, aircraft, ammo, fuel, etc). They also couldn't import materials/oil due to the blockade.

If you give all of that to the Eastern Front, suddenly issues like the Soviet partisans is much easier to deal with. The Army Groups would have much more sustainable replacement soldiers to keep their units at better strength.

Also, USSR wouldn't benefit from Lend Lease, which Soviet historians say made a big difference after 41. Without Lend Lease there's no Operation Uranus.

Some things are immutable obstacles to the Germans ofc. Weather, poor logistics. But all the extra resources Germany could throw at the Soviets would make the war very winnable imo.