The Saga of Tanya the Evil - Vol. 3 Ch. 9 - Andrew Reports

[MangaDex]

 

[bobbybiracial]

Interesting chapter placement choice

 

[XieShu]

Ugh so tanya lost...
Fuck this stupid chapter

 

[Liquidxlax]

@XieShu yeah I thought Tanya would have won using all her knowledge from her past life. Wonder if she managed to live though

Sucks when you aren't even the aggressor and everyone attacks you and thinks you're the bad guy...

 

[kurohanani]

did they really just put an epilogue right smack dab in the middle of the manga?

 

[Kayriel]

@XieShu

Why would we want her to win? She's literally WW1 Imperial Germany with a dash of the Third Reich. Her country wants to take over everyone else's through warfare. That means everyone who dies is at her country's feet, since they didn't have to start this expansionist doctrine.

Don't let the fact she's the MC fool you, she is on the villainous side here. And the black-hearted salaryman she was absolutely thrives here. If anything, 'Being X' gave that guy a huge boon. A world where his personality and temper and philosophical viewpoint are practically HOLY as compared to Earth, where they were looked down upon by the majority of people as heartless and cruel.

 

[XieShu]

I guess its really hard to take of the red colored glasses, huh @Kayriel.

 

[Kayriel]

@XieShu

I can't tell if you're trying to agree that these people are viewing a war-aggressor side and its hero as good is an odd thing, or if you're trying to insult me by mistakenly believing you understand my political viewpoint when I didn't even bring up the subject to begin with.

 

[Flyingpantsu]

Hood sank despite the Empire's navy being so bad...

 

[XieShu]

@Kayriel
Ho ho, so which or what kind of "political view point " do you think i am assuming you have?
And can you be so kind to explain what i meant by " red glasses", surely you must know what i was "implying"

 

[Kayriel]

@XieShu

Right, so you were just being an asshat. Nice. All I needed to block you.

 

[Glomoro]

@Kayriel You do know that this empire is the one that was invaded at the start of all this, right? They were very well prepared for wars, but they did not start this. I'm pretty sure this was painted pretty clearly from the start. The other countries are moving against them because they're worried about what they COULD do in the future with their advances in science and magic beyond what everyone else is currently capable of.

 

[Kayriel]

@Glomoro

If I'm not mistaken, it was also mentioned at the start that they held an aggressive expansionist military doctrine. Also, if they're a new country in the middle of a bunch of old, powerful ones, didn't they take land to get as big as they are? There were clearly wars before this one, either in whatever came before the Empire, or before the story starts. Or both, even.

That's not even referring to the fact that they're clearly the German Empire, which only came about due to beating down France and several others in the very late 1800s, unifying under Prussia. That can be considered pointless simply because this is a different world's timeline, clearly altered, the defense pacts and war itself are different, etc. But it does model itself after our own Imperial Germany.

Here in this world, the Dacians sent their 600,000 target idiots under the pretense of taking back their lands. Which means at some point, something was taken from them, even if only on paper in the way that you can say they were seized by combat.

But it's that doctrine that I'm fairly sure was mentioned early on that's the problem. If the new kid on the block shows up and is surprisingly beefy, sitting around talking about how he's going to start taking everyone's stuff after he beats the crap out of them, then that's a very good reason to kneecap him, isn't it? That expansionist view can only mean, "We are here to make war and take what is yours." It's practically the definition.

 

[Glomoro]

@Kayriel I forget what's been mentioned up to which chapters, so:

Spoiler

There's a point at which it talks about how the empire was originally founded by a bunch of smaller territories banding together to form their own nation. Rather than the empire necessarily having expanded into anyone else's territories through force (though I admit, they could have done that to some extent as well given the number of border disputes involved with this) I think some of the beef would also be coming from small territories that could have already been part of these other countries flipping their homelands the bird and joining up of their own accord, since isekai-Germany empire actually had some pretty progressive ideas that were likely to attract a lot of the citizens in perhaps less taken care of areas.

Whatever the case may have been, everyone was in a state of at least tenuous peace at the time, but then Legadonia was like "Hold my beer" and caused the Norden incident because they actually thought the empire would just give them Norden "back," despite an internationally accepted treaty making it the empire's territory, if they marched soldiers over there and told them to get out "or else."

 

[Kayriel]

@Glomoro

That is how our Imperial Germany was founded, as well. Let me see if I can find which were involved, it's been a long time since I had to use my WW1 knowledge. // Here we go.

Spoiler

The German Empire was founded on January 18, 1871, in the aftermath of three successful wars by the North German state of Prussia. Within a seven-year period Denmark, the Habsburg monarchy, and France were vanquished in short, decisive conflicts. The empire was forged not as the result of the outpouring of nationalist feeling from the masses but through traditional cabinet diplomacy and agreement by the leaders of the states in the North German Confederation, led by Prussia, with the hereditary rulers of Bavaria, Baden, Hesse-Darmstadt, and Württemberg. Prussia, occupying more than three-fifths of the area of Germany and having approximately three-fifths of the population, remained the dominant force in the nation until the empire’s demise at the end of another war in 1918.

Now, that said, I can agree that pushing the 'on button' was a bad idea in retrospect, but tactically speaking it was... not. Empire shows up, it's basically BRAND new and already at a level where it can 1v1 any of the other ancient, powerful nations and expect to survive if not win decisively in total war. You, being any one of the nations surrounding it, see that they are militant and expansionist-oriented. They're getting stronger by the day, and you're fairly aware that the only reason they aren't currently putting a boot up your ass is because of politicking and defense pacts, so they're just waiting to get strong enough that none of this matters, so that they can just roll over everyone and take their land and resources and people, defense pacts or no.

Speaking tactically, getting the fight started before the Empire can finish becoming an unstoppable juggernaut, pre-emptively triggering defense pacts and forcing surrounding nations to consider their own safety in a more realistic light, is the only move that makes sense at the time given that the Empire seems self-sufficient, so tariffs and other form of modern economic sanctions to try and keep them from acting on their aggression would have been utterly pointless - might have even given them more reason to attack, simply to claim the native resources of other nations who were suddenly denying it to them.

 

[Glomoro]

@Kayriel It probably would have been more tactically sound to gather allies in some fashion beforehand at the least. Legadonia had so many potential allies to draw on but their mistake was assuming the current pressure everyone else was exerting on the empire already was all they needed to bully them into handing over the land. Set up one little meeting, "Hey, I say we all set up some troops at the borders we share with the Empire, and demand they surrender or GTFO." Instead, they do that solo and are immediately like "Oh shit, oh shit, they're attacking us! How could this happen?!" The end zone for the world at large comes into sight, but their own country is on a pretty shitty path from that spot on.

 

[Kayriel]

@Glomoro

In short, their sacrifice helped everyone else.

... In reality, they played themselves and got their shit destroyed most utterly.

 

[lerohero]

Worst chapter i have ever read! This chapter ruined the entire series for me!

 

[PsychoJing]

@lerohero
@kayriel
@liquidxlax
@XieShu

Spoiler

Don't worry, she lives! Honestly though, the amount of contacts she's gonna have by time this war ends is astounding. She's gonna end up in America, controlling a company very similar to the one she worked for in her previous world. Granted, it's a front for something else, but I'll let you read on and find out.

She definitely wins, this country doesn't (although it doesn't lose either.....)

 

[lerohero]

@psychojing Thank you for the information.

Spoiler

I thought they all just died and the Empire got fucked like the German Empire and Austria Hungary in ww1