The Soulless Duchess - Vol. 1 Ch. 2
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I feel sad that people are bashing the MC for what happened. While I do think she was foolish in her past life, I don't think it warrants the lack of empathy for her plight. Yes she was naive, but she didn't deserve the abuse or being used as a tool like the way she was treated.
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@DorothyGale123
I dont agree she was abused the entire time used yes, but abused just once and not physically, definitely not sexually, but emotionally. When he basically told her to "die for him" she's clearly scared but even though she left that situation and didn't see him for a few days she was so afraid of losing his love that she decided she'd die for him. She was completely fine with going through all the agony and misery the spell brought to her because she loved this guy. But before that, when she decided to study for him in order to impress him, thats normal. When she put up with his tantrums over being inferior, agreed to devote her life to him and then give him her summoning powers, that's cool she wanted to help. It's heartbreaking in the end when she finds out he never loved her but she did those things all on her own because she was so blindly in love with this guy she couldn't see the red flags, she made those choices and unfortunately dies for them.
I dont agree she was abused the entire time used yes, but abused just once and not physically, definitely not sexually, but emotionally. When he basically told her to "die for him" she's clearly scared but even though she left that situation and didn't see him for a few days she was so afraid of losing his love that she decided she'd die for him. She was completely fine with going through all the agony and misery the spell brought to her because she loved this guy. But before that, when she decided to study for him in order to impress him, thats normal. When she put up with his tantrums over being inferior, agreed to devote her life to him and then give him her summoning powers, that's cool she wanted to help. It's heartbreaking in the end when she finds out he never loved her but she did those things all on her own because she was so blindly in love with this guy she couldn't see the red flags, she made those choices and unfortunately dies for them.
@DorothyGale123
It's like jumping off a building and then blaming gravity. You are not technically wrong there, but you really have only yourself to blame for since the laws of physics will not change for you. Similarly, he won't become not gay just because she offered to be his stepping stone. I don't think she's even thinking though. It's literally: do obviously stupid thing -> face the obvious consequences -> blame everybody but yourself.
Come again? She "trusted" the only man that wasn't attracted to her. It's not that hard to guess that he either is not interested in her as a woman, or is not interested in women in general. She literally picked the only possible person around she knew felt no sexual attraction towards her and then went onto becoming his stepping stone. She has herself to blame really.
It's like jumping off a building and then blaming gravity. You are not technically wrong there, but you really have only yourself to blame for since the laws of physics will not change for you. Similarly, he won't become not gay just because she offered to be his stepping stone. I don't think she's even thinking though. It's literally: do obviously stupid thing -> face the obvious consequences -> blame everybody but yourself.
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She trusted the one guy who she thought had the decency to not check her out right away. She didn't know he didn't have any sexual attraction to her, since he did come up to her first. If anything, she mistook his lack of sexual attraction but attraction to her power as genuine interest. I don't really blame her for that, since literally no one in her life cares about her, and she doesn't have any friends.
She trusted the one guy who she thought had the decency to not check her out right away. She didn't know he didn't have any sexual attraction to her, since he did come up to her first. If anything, she mistook his lack of sexual attraction but attraction to her power as genuine interest. I don't really blame her for that, since literally no one in her life cares about her, and she doesn't have any friends.
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When I said sc he was in agony, I was referring to the intense pain brought on by the experiment. Also, just because the victim is 'okay' with the abuse doesn't change the fact that it IS abuse. There are plenty of people who are so 'blindly in love' ( read: dependent on) their abuser that they don't realize the gravity of their situation. It really sounds like you're making excuses. 'Its fine he treated her like trash because she said it was okay.'
When I said sc he was in agony, I was referring to the intense pain brought on by the experiment. Also, just because the victim is 'okay' with the abuse doesn't change the fact that it IS abuse. There are plenty of people who are so 'blindly in love' ( read: dependent on) their abuser that they don't realize the gravity of their situation. It really sounds like you're making excuses. 'Its fine he treated her like trash because she said it was okay.'
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The cousin is such a scum bag
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She decided to avoid everyone that was actually interested in her as a woman because she is a prude - doesn't justify blaming others for her failed attempt at a relationship - she has herself to blame for that. She had a considerable selection of partners to choose from, who she disregarded because she felt were "disgusting" for being attracted to her (without ever getting to know any of them mind you). So I cannot really feel much pity for her, beyond the fact that her stupid choices led to tragic consequences.
You can blame him for using her for his own goals and having no sympathy towards her. I fully agree on that point. But that is as far as it goes - he is simply an ambitious egoist - there are many of those. But she's as much to blame, if not more, for putting herself in that situation - she literally offered her services as a doormat. And him being gay, or her cousin liking her "fiancee" is not something I would blame them for either.
And I do get it - she wants someone that pretends that he isn't sexually attracted to her, until she decides that it's ok to do so. I guess she just didn't want to grow out of her childish fairy tale fantasies.
@DorothyGale123
She did the "experiment" herself. He used her - but she offered him to use her to begin with. You can blame him for a lack of empathy and being an egoist and nothing else. I don't get what your point is really. He isn't a great person, yes. But she decided to involve herself with him, while ignoring everyone else due to her prejudice. Stupid decisions often lead to tragic consequences, nothing new.
@Asbolus You cannot be cheating if you are not in an actual relationship. Their relationship is purely utilitarian - that is to say, he uses her for his own goals and she enables that.
Or phrased differently: the one guy that didn't care about her womanly charms - it makes perfect sense that he wasn't "checking her out" considering he is attracted to men. And I don't think anyone should ever blame him for this.
Since when is "I heard you can summon beasts" a code phrase for "I feel sexually attracted to you"? He was pretty clear about what he wanted from her since the very beginning, and she was happy to oblige. There was no hint that he was interested in her as a woman.
She decided to avoid everyone that was actually interested in her as a woman because she is a prude - doesn't justify blaming others for her failed attempt at a relationship - she has herself to blame for that. She had a considerable selection of partners to choose from, who she disregarded because she felt were "disgusting" for being attracted to her (without ever getting to know any of them mind you). So I cannot really feel much pity for her, beyond the fact that her stupid choices led to tragic consequences.
You can blame him for using her for his own goals and having no sympathy towards her. I fully agree on that point. But that is as far as it goes - he is simply an ambitious egoist - there are many of those. But she's as much to blame, if not more, for putting herself in that situation - she literally offered her services as a doormat. And him being gay, or her cousin liking her "fiancee" is not something I would blame them for either.
And I do get it - she wants someone that pretends that he isn't sexually attracted to her, until she decides that it's ok to do so. I guess she just didn't want to grow out of her childish fairy tale fantasies.
And I am assuming that the time travel will actually work to that end. Letting her live in her own fairytale where the ideal prince will try his best to court her. The usual cliche development.
If anything that should have taught her to be suspicious of people. At least that's how it works in reality. Instead she trusted the first person that wanted to use her power for his own goals - he didn't even try to hide it. I cannot guess what kind of development she was expecting. Ok, maybe I can. But I cannot understand in what scenario she imagined this ever working out. My conclusion is that she wasn't thinking at all. But maybe you have some other ideas on the matter that you'd like to share?
@DorothyGale123
She did the "experiment" herself. He used her - but she offered him to use her to begin with. You can blame him for a lack of empathy and being an egoist and nothing else. I don't get what your point is really. He isn't a great person, yes. But she decided to involve herself with him, while ignoring everyone else due to her prejudice. Stupid decisions often lead to tragic consequences, nothing new.
@Asbolus You cannot be cheating if you are not in an actual relationship. Their relationship is purely utilitarian - that is to say, he uses her for his own goals and she enables that.
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God, her partner was disgusting. Fooling that person and even supported you til death only to be replaced by her cousin who also doesn't care for her
Make those two burn in hell, if another gay couple would see them they would also kill them for such play rather than be touched by forbidden love
Stayed out of the limelight, gave away her achievements, worked out of her own time, sacrificed her physical assets for a bi (unless pretend, then gay) man, indifferent cheater
Make those two burn in hell, if another gay couple would see them they would also kill them for such play rather than be touched by forbidden love
Stayed out of the limelight, gave away her achievements, worked out of her own time, sacrificed her physical assets for a bi (unless pretend, then gay) man, indifferent cheater
@mechpolaris Can you point out any instance showcasing that they were actually in a relationship, beyond the arranged fiancee title? There is no such instance - he never told her he liked her, let alone that he loves her. They never hugged, they never kissed, they never had sex. For all intents and purposes they were never in a romantic relationship.
So this isn't exactly cheating in the usual meaning of the world, unless you consider it cheating escaping from an arranged marriage that has not even happened nor has it been consummated.
The only type of relationship they were in, was him using her powers to stack up achievements that he doesn't deserve, and her enabling that. In fact she made an incompetent egoist with no skills the crowned prince, I'd blame her stupidity for any issues arising from his future rule of the kingdom if anything. She's stupid and has herself to blame for most of what happened.
So this isn't exactly cheating in the usual meaning of the world, unless you consider it cheating escaping from an arranged marriage that has not even happened nor has it been consummated.
The only type of relationship they were in, was him using her powers to stack up achievements that he doesn't deserve, and her enabling that. In fact she made an incompetent egoist with no skills the crowned prince, I'd blame her stupidity for any issues arising from his future rule of the kingdom if anything. She's stupid and has herself to blame for most of what happened.
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