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The Witches of Adamas - Vol. 4 Ch. 19 - Judo Grappler
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She was in a lot better state than he was, given some of the events of those two chapters, it was clear that Miyoshi was in a clear state of mind whereas MC was not, and that she intentionally took advantage of him knowing he was hallucinating. @raze2012
I've only ever read this as a horror/thriller manga more than anything. If you reread the chapters as the story of a man who must be paranoid as the world is constantly out to get him, to isolate him, and to degrade him, then it starts to read as a very terrifying story. @LostWorld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVX4zGX3iWg
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I actually don't hate Miyoshi, but I think that she has already shot herself in the foot. She's a tragic character in a sense, and originally I was hoping MC would have given her one of the stones from the first two chapters, but whatever. If both of their situations were slightly different, and if she didn't take advantage of his moments of weakness, it probably would have worked out, but that time has long since passed. Hence why I think she at most could be an anti-villain. @SunsetSeeker
I just misread the part about her sending the message (I thought she affirmed it, but rereading, she dismisses the point), but the stuff about her getting pregnant is accurate. I was not criticizing any of the character for not actually rationally, as they're all acting in-character, but just pointing out that the author put in hints to make it clear she was lying. To say we're just over-focusing on this is a Red Herring, and really doesn't address my point. (At best it's an appeal to ridicule and at worst it's pooh-pooh.) I don't think Miyoshi is evil and I concede that the nurse is suspect, (though I don't have enough evidence to affirm anything besides suspicions) but I don't think that it undermines my main point that Miyoshi is lying about being pregnant. (MC pushed her down, but she actively knew that he thought she was Ayame, and so took advantage of the situation.) @1986ctcel
I've only ever read this as a horror/thriller manga more than anything. If you reread the chapters as the story of a man who must be paranoid as the world is constantly out to get him, to isolate him, and to degrade him, then it starts to read as a very terrifying story. @LostWorld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVX4zGX3iWg
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So it parallels when she helped saved him back when the teacher drugged both of them and tried to get him into an NTR rape scenario? If you think back, he was the first person to resist her attempt at mind-breakage and asked to let her go. Hopefully she remembers that shit and all the stuff he scarified for her, including a good portion of his lifespan.
I actually don't hate Miyoshi, but I think that she has already shot herself in the foot. She's a tragic character in a sense, and originally I was hoping MC would have given her one of the stones from the first two chapters, but whatever. If both of their situations were slightly different, and if she didn't take advantage of his moments of weakness, it probably would have worked out, but that time has long since passed. Hence why I think she at most could be an anti-villain. @SunsetSeeker
I just misread the part about her sending the message (I thought she affirmed it, but rereading, she dismisses the point), but the stuff about her getting pregnant is accurate. I was not criticizing any of the character for not actually rationally, as they're all acting in-character, but just pointing out that the author put in hints to make it clear she was lying. To say we're just over-focusing on this is a Red Herring, and really doesn't address my point. (At best it's an appeal to ridicule and at worst it's pooh-pooh.) I don't think Miyoshi is evil and I concede that the nurse is suspect, (though I don't have enough evidence to affirm anything besides suspicions) but I don't think that it undermines my main point that Miyoshi is lying about being pregnant. (MC pushed her down, but she actively knew that he thought she was Ayame, and so took advantage of the situation.) @1986ctcel
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@Tamerlane "She was in a lot better state than he was,"
1. not really. They both had nonsense prenancy fever dreams as if their only option at this point was preserving their species
2 again, "I wasn't as drunk, but still drunk" doesn't mean you are in good judgement. Wish it was that easy to determine guilt IRL.
Besides, this whole situation is moot anyway since you're shifting the blame away from the actual kidnapper/drugger/rapist/attempted murderer who put them into it, so idk what your deal is Hell,. If you really wanted to, you can just as easily argue the other way (and the more likely scenario IRL) in that MC would be blamed as the agressor and charged for sexual assault.
1. not really. They both had nonsense prenancy fever dreams as if their only option at this point was preserving their species
2 again, "I wasn't as drunk, but still drunk" doesn't mean you are in good judgement. Wish it was that easy to determine guilt IRL.
Besides, this whole situation is moot anyway since you're shifting the blame away from the actual kidnapper/drugger/rapist/attempted murderer who put them into it, so idk what your deal is Hell,. If you really wanted to, you can just as easily argue the other way (and the more likely scenario IRL) in that MC would be blamed as the agressor and charged for sexual assault.
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Hey there, your name is Ayana, right? I see you and Yukinari get along well, i thought it was strange, after all he should be tormented, and this certainly explains his weid behavior *Za universu bad stuff*
Other girls: He-he did it!
Your first baby was not with Yukinare, it was with me!DIO SHIROUZU!
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Your first baby was not with Yukinare, it was with me!
I don't even have this marked, because i can't tell if i like it or not.
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It was established his hallucinations came from the water he was given, not from the heat. Miyoshi was just imagining the situation, but still had agency over her actions.
Also, rereading the scene, he also just had a concussion. And he was in that room for much, MUCH longer than she was. (She just got there last chapter, MC was in there for hours)
He was completely hallucinating, whereas she was not.
Hell, she looks at him, and knows immediately what's going on. She knows he's hallucinating about Ayana, and thinks that if anyone should fulfill his wish, it would be him. There's a case for Miyo taking advantage of MC. There's not one for him taking advantage of her, just based on dialogue alone.
This isn't two drunk people, this is one person who has been drugged, thinks he's about to die, and is hallucinating from both the drug, a concussion, and heatstroke. Miyo has only been in this room for at most an hour, maybe two, and even hears him trying to say Ayana's name. The argument you are trying to make does not match the events of the story. @raze2012
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damn she must be real desperate for that dick diamond if she’s letting that human bean grope and fuck her
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Wait, did she just throw up in her mouth!? Bwahahaha
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What is this? Time stopper reika?
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@Tamerlane no, it was established that the water induces thirst in ch. 13 and 14. He drank a lot more of it then and didn't hallucinate back then, just collapsed. clearly the hallucinations came from the heat stroke and Miyoshi noted she was bad with heat. then again, so is everyone in a sauna for "only a few hours" (you underestimate how easy it is to be affected).
your argument is extremely slanted again and keeps ignoring the very obvious elephant in the room that is theactual woman who actually was in complete judgement control and did rape, kidnap, and everything else you are trying to shift blame to miyoshi. You even tried to retcon a pre-established concept just to fit your bashing narrative.
your argument is extremely slanted again and keeps ignoring the very obvious elephant in the room that is theactual woman who actually was in complete judgement control and did rape, kidnap, and everything else you are trying to shift blame to miyoshi. You even tried to retcon a pre-established concept just to fit your bashing narrative.
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She tried to stop herself from moaning so she threw up. Im guessing Sakuya is enjoying it? idk
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I'm not shifting the blame. One rape does not justify another, and whilst she was guilty of everything you accuse her of, that does not vindicate nor clear Miyoshi of any wrong-doing.
If I lock you in a room and you kill someone in that room, you're still a murderer, even if I kidnapped you.
The fact someone else raped MC, locked him and miyoshi in a room with the air conditioning turned up, and drugged him does not indicate she is free of guilt of her knowingly committing wrong. I'm not trying to paint Miyoshi in a bad light, it's just how it happened.
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If I lock you in a room and you kill someone in that room, you're still a murderer, even if I kidnapped you.
The fact someone else raped MC, locked him and miyoshi in a room with the air conditioning turned up, and drugged him does not indicate she is free of guilt of her knowingly committing wrong. I'm not trying to paint Miyoshi in a bad light, it's just how it happened.
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