Tonari no Furi-san ga Tonikaku Kowai - Vol. 1 Ch. 3
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gotta say i started reading Waratte! Sotomura-san because of the comments and im on ch 30 and not getting tired of it at all, i think this formula works better if everyone misunderstand the MC, when we only get one dude pov i feel it doesnt work.
Like even in that other manga with the shy errand boy and misunderstandings, its understandable coz he was like that all his life so its just natural for him so it fits, here it feel like he's just a dumb dude who makes too many assumptions.
Like even in that other manga with the shy errand boy and misunderstandings, its understandable coz he was like that all his life so its just natural for him so it fits, here it feel like he's just a dumb dude who makes too many assumptions.
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Have it be known that I have complained about the other delinquent manga in some of the later chapters.
That doesn't mean I don't think this manga is vastly worse. This one is strictly a brain-damaged goober with no ability to recognise obvious social cues.
In the other one, the guy's been a footstool all his life and so he's been mentally conditioned to believe that he's unloved. I think that story has quite a bit of depth for a stupid rom-com. Even if it tests my suspension of disbelief at times.
This manga is flat, lacking in nuance, and nothing we haven't seen before. I appreciate your work scanlating this. I have nothing bad to say to you. I just think the mangaka's a bit of a hack.
Edit: I'm talking about Pashiri.
That doesn't mean I don't think this manga is vastly worse. This one is strictly a brain-damaged goober with no ability to recognise obvious social cues.
In the other one, the guy's been a footstool all his life and so he's been mentally conditioned to believe that he's unloved. I think that story has quite a bit of depth for a stupid rom-com. Even if it tests my suspension of disbelief at times.
This manga is flat, lacking in nuance, and nothing we haven't seen before. I appreciate your work scanlating this. I have nothing bad to say to you. I just think the mangaka's a bit of a hack.
Edit: I'm talking about Pashiri.
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but compare it to Pashiri though https://mangadex.org/title/25862/pashiri-na-boku-to-koisuru-banchou-san
or Koisuru yankee-girl https://mangadex.org/title/19245/koisuru-yankee-girl
or Onidere https://mangadex.org/title/714/onidere
or whatever other series about delinquent girl and a guy you can find
but compare it to Pashiri though https://mangadex.org/title/25862/pashiri-na-boku-to-koisuru-banchou-san
or Koisuru yankee-girl https://mangadex.org/title/19245/koisuru-yankee-girl
or Onidere https://mangadex.org/title/714/onidere
or whatever other series about delinquent girl and a guy you can find
if you know others please share this genre is a guilty pleasure
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@subliminal I was comparing it to Pashiri. Like I said, I do think Pashiri's mangaka has been sitting on their laurels for the past dozen chapters, but if I compare the first 3 chapters of Pashiri and Tonari, I'd be infinitely more interested to see more from Pashiri. This manga has no potential in my opinion. I don't even know the other two you listed as I don't actually like this genre. I just like Pashiri.
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@Moreira_X That was more funny than it had a right to be. I legitimately laughed out loud. Kudos.
@Aretheus Once again, laying all the blame at the male MC's feet. He can't understand social queues? When do men ever understand women, especially if they don't voice their feelings or thoughts? Sure, he's clumsy and awkward, but that's a fairly normal personality in a high school boy just trying to find his social feet (don't forget that he has had a fairly uneventful school life thus far as was explained in the first chapter). Additionally (and unfortunately) it seems the Japanese in manga tend to judge people and make assumptions based on their appearance rather frequently, and if the person assumptions are being made about don't step forward to correct those assumptions, then they will continue to be made until others get to know them. Their relationship has already taken more steps forward than in Pashiri at this point, and though I'm sure the misunderstandings will continue, there is definite progress being made.
@subliminal I wish Koisuru Yankee would be continued, love that story.
@Aretheus Once again, laying all the blame at the male MC's feet. He can't understand social queues? When do men ever understand women, especially if they don't voice their feelings or thoughts? Sure, he's clumsy and awkward, but that's a fairly normal personality in a high school boy just trying to find his social feet (don't forget that he has had a fairly uneventful school life thus far as was explained in the first chapter). Additionally (and unfortunately) it seems the Japanese in manga tend to judge people and make assumptions based on their appearance rather frequently, and if the person assumptions are being made about don't step forward to correct those assumptions, then they will continue to be made until others get to know them. Their relationship has already taken more steps forward than in Pashiri at this point, and though I'm sure the misunderstandings will continue, there is definite progress being made.
@subliminal I wish Koisuru Yankee would be continued, love that story.
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@Nermie01 Not being able to dissect every single tiny bit of physical communication from someone? Okay. Girl is clearly trying to sign up for the same committee as you 20 times and instantly has interest in something the moment you do? That's the point where you have legit autism. Like, not even as an insult, just very real autism. If this character is supposed to have autism, then ignore everything I said, this is a masterpiece.
As for the main character making assumptions based on appearances, that's the same as Pashiri. The difference is that Toramura is actually bad at expressing herself. Furi-san is like a 0.5/10 tsundere. There is no justifiable reason for Furi-san acting the way he does except that it's necessary for the plot. Unoki has a very traumatic past that fleshes himself into at least a 2-dimensional character compared to Taira who's a 1-dimensional character.
As for Tonari's relationship being further along, I'm going to disagree. Even by the end of chapter 1 of Pashiri, we already had a hint that Unoki cares in the slightest about Toramura's well-being. And by the time chapter 3 rolled around, Toramura had committed herself to a hobby that she's not really interested in for the sake of spending for time with Unoki and to get to know him better. They have a very good synamic to their relationship while Taira avoided Furi-san like the plague in chapter 2 and hasn't had even one sign of vague affection in any way whatsoever.
If you enjoy it, good for you. I just don't think this manga has any right to exist when Pashiri is the exact same skeleton but with more meat on it. I said earlier that Pashiri just has more potential to its core premise. If Pashiri is a racecar that broke down halfway through the race, Tonari is a unicycle and a guy who doesn't know how to ride a unicycle. Pashiri can recover with some effort, Tonari just has no chance at becoming a good story. (Except if it's actually about a guy with autism. Fuck I'll send $100 to this author if that's actually the case)
As for the main character making assumptions based on appearances, that's the same as Pashiri. The difference is that Toramura is actually bad at expressing herself. Furi-san is like a 0.5/10 tsundere. There is no justifiable reason for Furi-san acting the way he does except that it's necessary for the plot. Unoki has a very traumatic past that fleshes himself into at least a 2-dimensional character compared to Taira who's a 1-dimensional character.
As for Tonari's relationship being further along, I'm going to disagree. Even by the end of chapter 1 of Pashiri, we already had a hint that Unoki cares in the slightest about Toramura's well-being. And by the time chapter 3 rolled around, Toramura had committed herself to a hobby that she's not really interested in for the sake of spending for time with Unoki and to get to know him better. They have a very good synamic to their relationship while Taira avoided Furi-san like the plague in chapter 2 and hasn't had even one sign of vague affection in any way whatsoever.
If you enjoy it, good for you. I just don't think this manga has any right to exist when Pashiri is the exact same skeleton but with more meat on it. I said earlier that Pashiri just has more potential to its core premise. If Pashiri is a racecar that broke down halfway through the race, Tonari is a unicycle and a guy who doesn't know how to ride a unicycle. Pashiri can recover with some effort, Tonari just has no chance at becoming a good story. (Except if it's actually about a guy with autism. Fuck I'll send $100 to this author if that's actually the case)
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@Aretheus You seem to be forgetting that there are clearly rumors and other bad associations with regards to Furi, both from her appearance and attitude. Taira's interactions with Furi are obviously influenced by these rumors and assumptions about her, and her general lack of communication skills (due to maiden-like embarrassment apparently) cause her to not vocalize things properly in order dispel any possible misunderstandings. He doesn't know why she seems to be targeting him because she hasn't really said anything, and due to the influence of his assumptions about her character he seems to believe she might be somehow trying to bully him, at least at first. Also, the scene with them volunteering for the same class assignments could be inferred this way... that she was trying to pair up with him so that she could push all the work onto him (a very delinquent-like thing to do to a "beta" character), which is why he was trying to avoid getting paired with her. All of this is because of her supposed reputation, and she is doing nothing to change that.
However, despite all that, Taira is at the least being courteous to her, and becoming at least somewhat conscious of her as a girl. He doesn't notice the small hints she's giving that she likes him, because he has no experience with girls, and those hints are very vague anyways.... especially when she puts her foot in her mouth by not saying what she means properly. That is actually a huge difference between these two stories, since the relationship between Toramura and Unoki is based completely on a misunderstanding caused by a lack of communication and Unoki's fearful subservient attitude caused by his traumatic past. Meanwhile, Taira and Furi merely have to get to know each other better to realize that his assumptions about her were wrong, because she's not an actual yankee like Toramura is. Honestly, it's unfair to compare the two because of this point, since the situations are not the same. Unoki has a VERY real reason to be fearful of Toramura, because she is an ACTUAL yankee, while Furi and Taira just have to actually talk to one another properly. However, proper communication has to be initiated by Furi herself. Taira is unlikely to do it because of her rumored reputation and his assumptions about her character. It's unfair, sure, but she needs to be the one to step up and clear the misunderstandings about her to him.
Now, before I sound TOO preachy, I will say this. I don't like misunderstanding romcoms all that much. They tend to drag on the misunderstanding too long, and I feel there is something fundamentally wrong about the genre, since a proper relationship is based on having good communication... which the cornerstone of basically all misunderstanding stories is a lack of communication. However, I feel like you are being way too harsh on these characters. I won't call them realistic, but I can definitely understand why Taira acts the way he does towards Furi, and I know for a fact it happens for real (at least to a certain extent). To be perfectly honest, I feel like the blame for the misunderstandings lie MORE with Furi than with Taira because of her lack of proper communication, than for his assumptions of her character based on her appearance/attitude/rumors. I find it hard to believe that she doesn't realize how she dresses and acts might make people think what they do of her.
However, despite all that, Taira is at the least being courteous to her, and becoming at least somewhat conscious of her as a girl. He doesn't notice the small hints she's giving that she likes him, because he has no experience with girls, and those hints are very vague anyways.... especially when she puts her foot in her mouth by not saying what she means properly. That is actually a huge difference between these two stories, since the relationship between Toramura and Unoki is based completely on a misunderstanding caused by a lack of communication and Unoki's fearful subservient attitude caused by his traumatic past. Meanwhile, Taira and Furi merely have to get to know each other better to realize that his assumptions about her were wrong, because she's not an actual yankee like Toramura is. Honestly, it's unfair to compare the two because of this point, since the situations are not the same. Unoki has a VERY real reason to be fearful of Toramura, because she is an ACTUAL yankee, while Furi and Taira just have to actually talk to one another properly. However, proper communication has to be initiated by Furi herself. Taira is unlikely to do it because of her rumored reputation and his assumptions about her character. It's unfair, sure, but she needs to be the one to step up and clear the misunderstandings about her to him.
Now, before I sound TOO preachy, I will say this. I don't like misunderstanding romcoms all that much. They tend to drag on the misunderstanding too long, and I feel there is something fundamentally wrong about the genre, since a proper relationship is based on having good communication... which the cornerstone of basically all misunderstanding stories is a lack of communication. However, I feel like you are being way too harsh on these characters. I won't call them realistic, but I can definitely understand why Taira acts the way he does towards Furi, and I know for a fact it happens for real (at least to a certain extent). To be perfectly honest, I feel like the blame for the misunderstandings lie MORE with Furi than with Taira because of her lack of proper communication, than for his assumptions of her character based on her appearance/attitude/rumors. I find it hard to believe that she doesn't realize how she dresses and acts might make people think what they do of her.
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@Nermie01 My point is that everything in Tonari has to be a stretch for some reason. Fumi's misunderstood character is such a stretch of logic that it feels broken from the start. She single-handedly foils a robbery and doesn't end up in the local news as a hero? The fact that she makes no delinquent-like actions means that the core misunderstanding is already taking up 90% of my suspension of disbelief.
Also I don't get why Furi has to instantly come out with a confession on chapter 1. The only thing that she knew at first glance was "He's hot." Ever since, she's been making a concerted effort to get to know Taira better. She doesn't know about her reputation (which is almost an even bigger stretch with no explanation provided). So you're blaming Furi for not immediately expressing her love when she doesn't know Taira. This isn't Pashiru. Furi is not under the assumption that they are already a couple.
Btw, you know that the point of these stories is to show off how horribly relationships go when there's bad communication right? With that being the cornerstone of the genre, Pashiri still stands better in my mind. Everything about Furi's reputation is brushed aside without thought or care from the author and doesn't bolster that fundamental element of the genre.
Pashiri might stretch how bad Toramura's communication skills are, but that's a stretch I can handle at least. The entire community being ignorant of Furi being an upstanding citizen is the quintessential example of poor writing. Pashiri isn't perfect. It's not even really good recently. But Pashiri's author definitely gave more of a shit about the verisimilitude of the world he was building.
Also I don't get why Furi has to instantly come out with a confession on chapter 1. The only thing that she knew at first glance was "He's hot." Ever since, she's been making a concerted effort to get to know Taira better. She doesn't know about her reputation (which is almost an even bigger stretch with no explanation provided). So you're blaming Furi for not immediately expressing her love when she doesn't know Taira. This isn't Pashiru. Furi is not under the assumption that they are already a couple.
Btw, you know that the point of these stories is to show off how horribly relationships go when there's bad communication right? With that being the cornerstone of the genre, Pashiri still stands better in my mind. Everything about Furi's reputation is brushed aside without thought or care from the author and doesn't bolster that fundamental element of the genre.
Pashiri might stretch how bad Toramura's communication skills are, but that's a stretch I can handle at least. The entire community being ignorant of Furi being an upstanding citizen is the quintessential example of poor writing. Pashiri isn't perfect. It's not even really good recently. But Pashiri's author definitely gave more of a shit about the verisimilitude of the world he was building.
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are these fools really discussing the societal implications of a fluff manga LMAOOOOOOOOOO
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Also in favour of Pashiri, Unoki is at least far better designed and has a personality. Taira's sole personality is the same shit as "being average", like seriously? NOTHING? He's way more annoying while Unoki's actions are justified by him being an errand boy throughout his life and the banchou genuinely being a huge level fighter who beat people up.
