Touhou Chireikiden: Hansoku Tantei Satori - Ch. 49 - The Mausoleum Where Divine & Wicked Mingle (Pt. V)

[Levander]

I definitely think the whole manga spent maybe the first few chapters, tops, meaningfully pretending to be a "detective story" in terms of genre and structure (rather than simply the subject), and even in those chapters it was only pretending, as most of the apparent clues in the first case also ended up being loose ends, red herrings or unsolvable. I count it as a bit of a failure for the manga as a whole, but don't even bother worrying about it with each new chapter, as that particular matter has been a dead horse since literally (checks calendar) 2020.

 

[LunaticOverlord]

People really don't get that the genre of an story can change mid story... Ah, and strictly speaking this is part 3 (or part 2, if you don't count the change of artist as a dividing point between parts), so...

Then that's a bait-&-switch. And that kind of trope is looked down upon, nowadays.

 

[LunaticOverlord]

I definitely think the whole manga spent maybe the first few chapters, tops, meaningfully pretending to be a "detective story" in terms of genre and structure (rather than simply the subject), and even in those chapters it was only pretending, as most of the apparent clues in the first case also ended up being loose ends, red herrings or unsolvable. I count it as a bit of a failure for the manga as a whole, but don't even bother worrying about it with each new chapter, as that particular matter has been a dead horse since literally (checks calendar) 2020.

Definitely a failure for the manga as a whole.

This kind of bait-&-switch only works if it's done before the end of the chapter. You DON'T make readers wait until the crucial point before pulling the rug. You either give them what they came for or make it clear from the first chapter what kind of story it REALLY is.

The very fact that this story STILL has "detective" in it's title is a failure for the manga. Don't call something what it's not.

It's not a detective story, and it's not a Satori story. Thus, the only thing this story is...is a FOUL.

 

[Kantel_JFA]

Then that's a bait-&-switch. And that kind of trope is looked down upon, nowadays.

Not always, it depends on a lot of factors. And no one arguing in good faith should say something is a bait-&-switch without being able to defend their stance.

Here, the change in genre is just ZUN adapting to what the new artist is good at. Well, or at least that's my reading of the situation. Accordingly, I also believe the genre wouldn't have changed had the original artist been able to continue. That's my stance.

 

[AtsukoNasa45]

someone call for god

 

[LunaticOverlord]

Not always, it depends on a lot of factors. And no one arguing in good faith should say something is a bait-&-switch without being able to defend their stance.

Here, the change in genre is just ZUN adapting to what the new artist is good at. Well, or at least that's my reading of the situation. Accordingly, I also believe the genre wouldn't have changed had the original artist been able to continue. That's my stance.

I dunno, the old artist part still had the story twirling it's thumbs and explaining things with answers the reader never would have a clue about. Such as the very fact that an evil spirit that was never hinted at did it.

It's just that it became far more blatant after the artist change. Having major character traits introduced solely during the reveals, and some interesting ones that would've worked better in any other manga (imagine if Lotus Eaters had introduced "Mokou helps Kaguya sneak out to the Human Village" instead), at that.