TS Eiseihei-san no Senjou Nikki - Ch. 19

[andanh]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the biggest real breakthrough for the allies in world war I was getting rolling artillery fire done right and more importantly point stop caring anymore if the troops got blasted by friendly artillery in said barrage.

So a historical parallel would be having a mage barrage but at the last exact second it stopped they would see enemy soldiers as far as the horizon.

Their technology and tactics is not at the WW1 point, but around 1890-1910. A lot of technology and tactics will be introduced in the future. (Though artist gone a little bit far and put some thing shouldn't here yet. )

 

[andanh]

Spoiler: About Sylph and Artist

IS THIS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT SYLPH!? HAVE YOU FINISHED WN!? GIVE MY THE SYLPH I KNOW BACK!

 

[Logan08]

Finally reread this and there's only two more chapters... still peak tho

 

[Phantomo]

mashdale

mashendale

Passchendale

 

[Pacarnya_sinka]

Spoiler please

 

[comwes907]

not doc onee-san...

 

[parkourse]

IT'S HERE

THE SIMULTANEOUS MULTI-POINT BREAKTHROUGH

 

[NARESH4444]

Jokes on you, I already forgot the names of the side cast people that died. I'm not sad at all! Haha! Ha...

All their work from the start, just wiped.... and the head nurse...

Yea sure just kill off three characters like that I don't care at all

Everyone we meet last chapter gone. To emphasize they even showed the glasses girl from last chapter with the hospital group. I doubt anyone but commanders group made it out of there.

Ah,one of the three providing services.

HEAD NURSE NOOOOOOOO ;0;

RIP the rookies, head medic, the blond dad who raised many death flags in the previous chapter and the soldiers who gangbanged Rodri. No actually never mind the last one.

Yeah. I think Rosa (the ponytail blonde) also got shown being blasted in a panel on page 10-ish (i forgot exact).

Page 11,the middle panel,that's the same hair.

Even the slampig medic.

Welp, the calm b4 the storm is real... I'm not crying, u are T-T.

Guess the overdosage of mana potions didnt really matter to her health in the end anyways🥲

Everyone is die...... Head Nurse went out like a hero....

Now that all the medics are dead…

Is Touri the new head nurse? :0

Until they meet up with the fortress,she's possibly the only medic.

Well fuck, that was quite the chapter.
Sad for the head medic...
Thanks for the TL!

The cute ponytail glasses medic...

Not sure if she even was a medic,but she did somehow end up among them.

not doc onee-san...

The only kind older soul who showed a bright future for Touri...gone in a blaze of glory.

Truly,only the good die young...

Respectable work from the nepo-baby, for sure! Setting aside the silliness of aura-farming and monologuing to herself in a carriage (and then just randomly scribbling shit on her hands), it’s nice to see things get shaken up.

They truly got complacent kekekek.

See? Sylph is not a bigmouth but the real thing, but now that the gates of Hell have been opened by her hand you need to be ready for the suffering ahead.

btw, Sylph feels really different from her WN/LN persona here in the manga, wonder what the mangaka told OG creator to get the creative freedom to show her in that way.

I'm not fond of the "psycho broad" trope, but it does make sense here. 1) The mage-heroes are known to be wild-cards personality wise - she fits with that. 2) While her personality is over the top, she's still thinking strategically. 3) Her over-the-top antics are used to liven up the mangaka's presentation of the enemies strategy.

Strategy: 1) Battles normally start with a magic attack as warmup. By skipping the magic attack, they caught their enemy off guard. (Yes, Touri's side became complacent.) 2) The wide range attack threw off the squads in charge of plugging holes. (Though if Touri's side had not become complacent, then the wide-range attack would likely have failed, or at least, been dramatically slowed. Overall seems like a high-risk, high-reward attack.

Well, that was a bloodbath. They lost the entire army, medic corp included, so that front has collapsed and the enemy will be able to advance quickly from that breach.

Since the generals sounded the retreat, they're probably thinking about where to set up a new defensive line. They were pretty much on equal footing before this maneuver, so with the loss of that army that balance is broken. Now the enemy will be able to send waves of soldiers to attack their defensive positions or pull another smart plan like this, so that's a terrible position to be in.

I don't get it, how did they stealthily march a force large enough to just roll over everyone? They even bring a huge carriage filled with sofa and adorned by multiple flags, are they even trying to hide?

"Don't use magic artillery, just attack everywhere" sounds like that joke about how the Nazi shouldn't have wasted time siege Stalingrad and instead just take the city, it doesn't even make sense.

If this is a desperate move from a smaller or outgunned army trying to break through encirclement to escape then maybe I kinda get it, but it's not, the objective isn't escaping but destroying the enemy army. It feels like a terrible gamble that succeed because they paint the whole roulette wheel red.

I see someone isn't familiar with how blind it was during WWI,and this series is even worse off since they relatively recently only started using guns,there's nary a recon/scout plane in sight.

BTW,your Stalingrad comparison is a lot more spot on then you realise,the bombing campaign on Stalingrad was responsible for providing many dugouts for the Soviets as well as clogging the streets,preventing the Germans from actually pushing their tanks across at the speed needed.

From the looks of things, it's taking four things into account.

First, the previous chapter showed an enemy unit moving over rather rough terrain under the cover of darkness, suggesting that they were either slowly infiltrating No-Man's-Land in preparation for this assault or were moving into a weaker section of the defensive line because the terrain they had moved through was considered either impassable or improbable.

Second would be the fact that they're using pseudo Stormtrooper tactics. A "smaller" force (compared to a general attack, "small") assaulting a less defended or weaker portion of the enemy defensive line in order to force a breach, followed by the general infantry to exploit it. The many uses of grenades during the assault sort of suggests this, though there should have been more use of pistols and melee weaponry if so.

Which then leads to the third point. The tech level of the story is somewhere between Great War and Early Interwar (1916 to 1925). Meaning that, while radios are around they're mostly in use with the Navy and ground troops generally made due with telegraph at best, couriers at worst (think the movie 1917). Just even receiving news from commanders at the front is going to take half an hour to an hour, and this isn't even considering conflicting information from different line units. Which leads ro point four...

The strategy looked like it called for a general assault right after a breach was forced in order to mask the fact that there was, in fact, a breach of the first trenchline. Combat is very, VERY chaotic. Incomplete and conflicting information reaching command is almost a certainty with the previous lag time in communications I mentioned, and the unit at the breach is kinda dying a bit too quickly to actually get the word out. This could have been mitigated by things like signal flares, but since we didn't see anything of the like mentioned, the signalmen were either killed too quickly or they just never had them.

Just like you, I'm just trying to understand, but I think what is supposed to be going on here is that this army broke the "stablished rules" or the "code" or the "norm" whatever you want to call it for a first world war army, just like in the real world this front seemed more of a performance politics stage than a real modern war, a 1ww front where the frontline is static forever and you take back and forth the same kilometres.
I guess the girl just decided instead of keeping the stalemate that everyone got comfy with, she went for an unexpected mass attack with everything they had. And due the lack of "performative actions" that both sides were doing when taking back and forth the same trenches "our" side got caught pants down.

Not that it makes that much sense unless you take in consideration one side counted on everyone keeping up the stage and tactis because "its just how war works" I guess. Which would just show how mediocre and decrepit the higher ups are.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the biggest real breakthrough for the allies in world war I was getting rolling artillery fire done right and more importantly point stop caring anymore if the troops got blasted by friendly artillery in said barrage.

So a historical parallel would be having a mage barrage but at the last exact second it stopped they would see enemy soldiers as far as the horizon.

In WN, author explains the standard tactic/strategy is breakthrough in a single point, because they still new to firearm, still not know how to use them and still fear the power of them. This tactic is basically human wave, use large amount of troop to attack every trenches, they called it "simultaneous multi-point breakthrough".

Their technology and tactics is not at the WW1 point, but around 1890-1910. A lot of technology and tactics will be introduced in the future. (Though artist gone a little bit far and put some thing shouldn't here yet. )

IT'S HERE

THE SIMULTANEOUS MULTI-POINT BREAKTHROUGH

Yeah,so overall,this is a combo of a raid and a surprise attack.

During WWI,the Entente/Allied Powers eventually realised that trying to get a full breakthrough was close to impossible,so eventually came up with "limited raids",attack a section of the line and either hold it or fall back.

The result was the ability to weaken the enemy without then squandering your own forces trying to expand a breakthrough that wouldn't work due to the depth of the enemies' defences.

A surprise attack simply means one without a warning,the usual warning being an artillery barage.

The first suprise attack was an accident by the Allied Powers and their new fangled tanks,which you can watch here(ignore the title,it's anti-copyright measures).

Simply put,if never done before,a silent attack will always catch folks off guard,since their first priority is listening in for the whistles of shells or the long distance flash of a muzzle(or wands,in this case).

Do this on a broad front and voila,the broad lady makes a perfect search n' destroy raid that pushed deep into the rear lines,devestates plenty through not yet established war crimes brought about by 10 years of fighting,and there's more then enough forces left to properly hold the gains and create time to think up the next move.

mashdale
mashendale
Passchendale

"WHAT'S THE PRICE OF A MILE?!"

This also remind me of another goodie that has many lives lost.

 

[Grimmycoffee]

In WN, author explains the standard tactic/strategy is breakthrough in a single point, because they still new to firearm, still not know how to use them and still fear the power of them. This tactic is basically human wave, use large amount of troop to attack every trenches, they called it "simultaneous multi-point breakthrough".

Did the author explain how they hide their forces? Because that still sounds like it will alert people and make them easy target for the mages

 

[NARESH4444]

Did the author explain how they hide their forces? Because that still sounds like it will alert people and make them easy target for the mages

And what exactly is detecting the large scale troop movements?

Like they showed in the previous chapter and like what the other guy told ya,they moved at night,but this is also an era where they really don't have much in strategic recon due to a lack of aircraft.

It's the same reason anything prior would have difficulty,unless you sneak past the enemy lines and/or had a tall vantage point for your scouts(who hopefully make it back alive),you wouldn't really see much until the very moment combat started.

It's the main reason why aviation in WWI took off,they were the perfect birds' eye view,once you had radios small enough to fit,you now had the means to relay that info much faster,but that wouldn't be available until the interwar period.

Let alone these poor saps who just got their guns not long ago.

 

[Kuroku]

Yeah. I think Rosa (the ponytail blonde) also got shown being blasted in a panel on page 10-ish (i forgot exact).

Ya your right she’s on the panel of kill kill trample

 

[Bramia]

I read all the attempts at explaining this mess of a strategy... But people fail to understand why magic bombardments are the norm.

One person operating one weapon kills much slower than -magic- artillery.
People also don't move that fast on foot. Especially when there's trenches everywhere. Trenches have been used literally for centuries to slow down enemy advances. It's not a 20th century invention used only for cover against fire arms.
Because people don't move that fast, a large scale advance like this WILL be noticed. It wasn't just a 10-man effort. It was the whole ass army in that front.

If you can't advance quickly, you are easily noticeable and you can't kill the enemies immediately then obviously using bombardments is more efficient. Not to mention it offers cover for the people running forward...

Regardless, it's just a manga. It's not supposed to make that much sense anyway

 

[NARESH4444]

I read all the attempts at explaining this mess of a strategy... But people fail to understand why magic bombardments are the norm.

One person operating one weapon kills much slower than -magic- artillery.
People also don't move that fast on foot. Especially when there's trenches everywhere. Trenches have been used literally for centuries to slow down enemy advances. It's not a 20th century invention used only for cover against fire arms.
Because people don't move that fast, a large scale advance like this WILL be noticed. It wasn't just a 10-man effort. It was the whole ass army in that front.

If you can't advance quickly, you are easily noticeable and you can't kill the enemies immediately then obviously using bombardments is more efficient. Not to mention it offers cover for the people running forward...

Regardless, it's just a manga. It's not supposed to make that much sense anyway

And you're forgetting key details.

Firstly,yeah,bombardment was the norm since the advent of long range heavy weaponry,soften up the enemy position to make it easier to attack.

It's also a MASSIVE indicator of where the attack is going to happen,which gives the defender some time to get the defence up n' runnin'.

By the time WWI comes along and the manuvering stalemated to the trenches,bombardments would last an hour give or take,and therefore the defenders would be more then awake for it.

And in places with great cover for the defenders,such as Verdun,very little actual damage would be done to the troops who take shelter deep in the Earth.

Secondly,yes,a small group of men operating an artillery piece or are each a magical artillery piece can kill plenty,irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Thirdly,people laden with gear don't move that fast,but they didn't need to either,for distances between trenches could be incredibly short,and even special trench sections would be dug straight into the danger zone that would be used as launching points for an attack.

So an enemy expecting a bombardment instead gets approached in the wee morning hours by an enemy that wasn't detected before thanks to clever night time relocation,that used trenches to get closer,and didn't make a big ruckus until the final dash.

Welcome to the concept of the surprise attack,which is an actual tactic and does work,and here's one on the scale of a large front and combined with a raid mindset so as not to waste the troops involved.

Can even be done with armoured vehicles,as shown by the previously provided video.

Many folks love talking 'bout things they don't fully understand and just casually throw away the obvious attention detail an author does,just because it has flaws doesn't mean it's utter nonsense that can just be ignored.

What's worse is wholesale ignoring the folks who do explain it,more so with external data to back it up.

 

[karmsand]

Blonde doctor in the previous chapter raised so many death flags that he condemned the entire platoon

 

[tondave12345]

Will they take back their territory?
or will the mc turn into john battlefield.
find out in the next episode of dra-
getting carpet bomb

 

[IdkRN00]

They did sylph so dirty 😭

Also, the suffering has just begun.

 

[IdkRN00]

Mashdale arc lets go!

Ngl, marshdale arc was pretty mid except for a few moments

 

[IdkRN00]

Now that all the medics are dead…

Is Touri the new head nurse? :0

Spoiler

She will get a rank up but there'll be still a lot above her

 

[IdkRN00]

Spoiler: About Sylph and Artist

IS THIS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT SYLPH!? HAVE YOU FINISHED WN!? GIVE MY THE SYLPH I KNOW BACK!

I think they'll give her a redemption

 

[Wolvenworks]

Good ol’ blitzkrieg.