Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu - Ch. 121 - The Undead's Tongue Slip

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They added it to the LN? it wasn't in the WN and i've heard it wasn't in the LN so yeah.
I recall reading it in the WN trans a few years ago, before I dropped it as there was too much meandering.

What I do remember is that Tomoe knows Rembrandt’s past (from mind reading Morris) not Makoto. Tomoe has/had different morality than Makoto, and simply didn’t tell her boss. Rembrandt knows full well what Tomoe & Mio are capable of, and doesn’t want to piss them off.
 
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How do you even come to that conclusion? The story criticises both Makoto and Hyumans. How hyumans and their society cannot stand the existence of Makoto who's basically just doing good things for cheap and a bit different looking and constantly pesters him and troubles him that's the entire point of the whole arc. Everyone is after his ass for their own stuck up reason. As for Makoto he's half assed because he's too strong he relies on his strength too much and delegates most of his work to his subordinates. He doesn't think properly about things in long term and is still naive about this world because he's basically been coddled by his subordinates.

(The following is based on the LN. The manga follows that pretty closely, but softens it in many ways... Largely by just not being explicit about it.)
The story doesn't really criticize anything. It takes selfish (even murderously ruthless) behavior as the norm and never questions it.
1) Rembrandt murders his own fiancee in order to steal her business (after he murders her father). Does the story ever criticize him for that? No.
2) Makoto doesn't promote or teach anything different. Rather he's handed an ever-increasing group of completely loyal servants. (And unlike re:Sime where Rimuru's subjects are won over by his personality and very real desire that everyone live a happy life.)
3) Merchants are running trade association which is fundamentally based and "Join us, be subservient to us and play by our rules or we'll wipe you out". The author doesn't criticize that.
4) Team Makoto's pushback against the merchants isn't based on morality but rather on might. Makoto is stronger than the merchants, so how dare the merchants push Makoto around!
5) Later in the series, Makoto explicitly says that he was a poor merchant, and resolved to do better.
6) Demons are no better. Later in the LN is mentioned in passing that the demons are genocidal. (With no criticism from the author of course.

Nowhere in this does the author criticize. Basically it's a dog eat dog world with all the major players playing by that rule. The only real weight against that is "Oh, I owe this guy a big debt, so now I'll treat him better."
 
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(The following is based on the LN. The manga follows that pretty closely, but softens it in many ways... Largely by just not being explicit about it.)
The story doesn't really criticize anything. It takes selfish (even murderously ruthless) behavior as the norm and never questions it.
1) Rembrandt murders his own fiancee in order to steal her business (after he murders her father). Does the story ever criticize him for that? No.
2) Makoto doesn't promote or teach anything different. Rather he's handed an ever-increasing group of completely loyal servants. (And unlike re:Sime where Rimuru's subjects are won over by his personality and very real desire that everyone live a happy life.)
3) Merchants are running trade association which is fundamentally based and "Join us, be subservient to us and play by our rules or we'll wipe you out". The author doesn't criticize that.
4) Team Makoto's pushback against the merchants isn't based on morality but rather on might. Makoto is stronger than the merchants, so how dare the merchants push Makoto around!
5) Later in the series, Makoto explicitly says that he was a poor merchant, and resolved to do better.
6) Demons are no better. Later in the LN is mentioned in passing that the demons are genocidal. (With no criticism from the author of course.

Nowhere in this does the author criticize. Basically it's a dog eat dog world with all the major players playing by that rule. The only real weight against that is "Oh, I owe this guy a big debt, so now I'll treat him better."
Makoto seems to be a live and let live and don't be a bully or asshat to those he cares for or feels responsible for.

Even if he knew Rembrandt did all that he may not care since it didn't happen to him. There are horrible things happening in the world, a wholeass war that he doesn't want to get involved with. He wants to live his life and not be hurt, kinda like Bofuri.

He get pissed when hyumans take advantage of kindness and then attack his ppl.
He gets pissed when the shitty goddess teleports him to a battlefield and Sofia and lil dragon refuse to listen to him.
He is regularly annoyed at Root but doesn't have a reason to kill him or stop him from being annoying.

He does have his own code and it seems like the author is saying if you wanna fuxk around and find out make sure you're stronger otherwise you gon die. So like don't be prejudiced.

Goddess prejudice against him for his looks

Hyumans prejudiced against demi-humans

If Rembrandt ever turned on him Makoto would kill him, he would threaten him first to avoid it but once that line is crossed it's crossed. Author like, maybe don't cross lines. It's ultimately slice of life wish fulfillment. He is strong enough to live entirely how he chooses up to his whims, it's not moral go isekai fight and save the world. If that's the case then he would have been dropped on the frontier, got hella strong and joined the demons to fight against hyumans
 
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This is why I haven't watched the anime. I know they're really ahead, but I really like the pacing of the manga.
However, monthly releases are torture.
"really ahead" is relative....
The anime speedruns so damn hard the only thing you get from it are the major storyline points, and a glimpse of some of the motivations behind them.

It's literally the entirety of LOTR compressed into a 2000 word essay..
Unless you're realy spoiler-allergic to the point you need an epi-pen.... You can watch the Anime, know what the main plot roughly is going to do, and then enjoy all the details, motivations, sidetracks, and shenanigans in the Manga that make it so damn "slow" .
Because they're sure as hell not in the "this is what happens after this" "plot" of the anime.

This is even more clear in the episodes that cover stuff that's already been in the Manga... And which are effectively spoiler-free...
You just go..."Huh?!!! yes... that comes after that, but..... WHERE"S ALL THE REST?!!!!!!"
 
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rembrandt worked his way up in the business company that he owns now by getting the original owner and his daughter killed.
and then the blame got pushed onto the former lover of the fiancee as a scapegoat to whitewash rembrandt.
the curse mage that blacksmith turned into tried to get revenge on rembrandt for these murders and the theft of the business company of his killed beloved.
this is just a plot hole by the author that never gets resolved.
if makoto has all that power, abides by his stated morale and knew about rembrandt's and wife's misdeeds, he would just immediately punish them for everything, since they acquired their wealth and position by murdering and framing innocent people.
rembrandt, the butler and his wife are ruthless killers with a "might makes right" policy, get over it.
they got the curse for misdeeds they committed themselves.
No actually, Rembrandt started with a smaller company merger and had Morris kill that president first, THEN he got enough economic power to merge with the company with the old man and daughter.

And in any case, your reply doesn't explain why you think Rembrandt would suddenly randumbly decide to betray Makoto. Unless you've decided that simply because Rembrandt and Morris killed before, he'll do it again to Makoto so he could piss off Tomoe and Mio? How does that make any sense?

  1. Rembrandt has no contract with the Kuzunoha company; they're separate entities that Rembrandt leased a single store in Tsilge for.

  2. Rembrandt and Morris knows that Tomoe and Mio are ridiculously powerful and utterly devoted to Makoto.

  3. Rembrandt also has no way to source any of the raw materials that Makoto can, nor any of the recipes that Shiki and the Forest Ogres or any of the other residents of the Pocket Realm can pull off.
Even if Rembrandt wasn't actually grateful to Makoto (he is, he's a simp for his daughters but wants to marry them off to Makoto), there's literally no way for Rembrandt to benefit at all from backstabbing Makoto.

Yes he and Morris are killers, but they're not murderhobos, it's just business.
 
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(The following is based on the LN. The manga follows that pretty closely, but softens it in many ways... Largely by just not being explicit about it.)
The story doesn't really criticize anything. It takes selfish (even murderously ruthless) behavior as the norm and never questions it.
1) Rembrandt murders his own fiancee in order to steal her business (after he murders her father). Does the story ever criticize him for that? No.
2) Makoto doesn't promote or teach anything different. Rather he's handed an ever-increasing group of completely loyal servants. (And unlike re:Sime where Rimuru's subjects are won over by his personality and very real desire that everyone live a happy life.)
3) Merchants are running trade association which is fundamentally based and "Join us, be subservient to us and play by our rules or we'll wipe you out". The author doesn't criticize that.
4) Team Makoto's pushback against the merchants isn't based on morality but rather on might. Makoto is stronger than the merchants, so how dare the merchants push Makoto around!
5) Later in the series, Makoto explicitly says that he was a poor merchant, and resolved to do better.
6) Demons are no better. Later in the LN is mentioned in passing that the demons are genocidal. (With no criticism from the author of course.

Nowhere in this does the author criticize. Basically it's a dog eat dog world with all the major players playing by that rule. The only real weight against that is "Oh, I owe this guy a big debt, so now I'll treat him better."
Ok first of all I think you gotta internalise the fact that this story isn't about good triumps evil or about being a moral paragon. It's about Makoto being shoved into an messed up world with different morality and values and Makoto navigating it while also struggling in some aspects.

1. The story never makes it so Rembrandt is justified in what he does in the past. His daughters and wife nearly die due to that. Makoto's existence and interference is what leads Rembrandt into walking a better path for now. Tomoe knows this but didn't tell Makoto because Rembrandt was useful and Makoto may not work with Rembrandt if he knew this during the earlier parts of the series. Rembrandt may have deserved bad things but his daughter didnt deserve to die like that even if they were ass. Rembrandt after meeting Makoto supports him so much not just because Makoto's power and because he's grateful it's because he believes that Makoto can be a good (morally) merchant without being an underhanded and two faced person like himself. Because Makoto has the power for it while Rembrandt could only reach where he is through evil methods. Meeting with Makoto also changes Rembrandt for the better.

2. This is actually more effective for Slime than it is for Tsukimichi Rimuru has significantly more servants with primary reason is because of strength his personality is secondary. Makoto's subordinates aside from the main ones are all demihumans who are given opportunity to live in a wonderful place by Makoto of course they'd grateful and loyal to him. The second point applies to Makoto too and is more effective cuz of the world Makoto lives in.

3. How tf is Merchant association being join us or fuck off not criticised and shown in a negative light ? The plot point revolving around them is literally about them is literally them being a insecure clique and wanting to put Makoto out because they feel threate by his bussiness. Which sours Makoto's relationship with Hyumans even more.

4. None of Makoto's main servant are morally good the closest is Tomoe who is morally neutral at best. Most of their morally good qualities come from being with Makoto. No shit they'd be like that. All of them might makes right kind of person.

5. Makoto was a poor merchant most of what's supposed to be his job was being done by his servants while Makoto did bare minimum as a representative which is why in the future Makoto as a merchant is lot more prominent compared to now.

6. Demons are like that because of Goddess being one sidedly biased. The story again criticises the goddess for being garbage and biased at maintaining balance. Demons are backed up to a corner and the hate between demons and hyumans have risen so much that the war may only stop when either hyumans or demons die out. Goddess teaching directly refer to demons and demihumans as lower beings which is why the discrimination against demons was so severe that they HAD to start wars and fight for barely liveable land which is how the whole war started and overtime has only grown worse.

The story regularly criticises the messed up nature of the world and how so much is the results of that irresponsible goddess not doing her job right. The reason so much morally questionable things exist in the story is to put an emphasis on that aspects of the world. Makoto himself and others are not perfect character and while Makoto is strong it doesn't mean is mentally and emotionally invincible. He hates the world and dislikes hyumans specifically for that.
 
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Ok first of all I think you gotta internalise the fact that this story isn't about good triumps evil or about being a moral paragon. It's about Makoto being shoved into an messed up world with different morality and values and Makoto navigating it while also struggling in some aspects.
Except he doesn't struggle. Neither he nor the author ever voice any moral objection. The only problems are 1) he's ugly (by that world's standards); 2) he's naive; 3) in a dog eat dog world, dogs try to eat him (just like everyone else).

1. The story never makes it so Rembrandt is justified in what he does in the past. His daughters and wife nearly die due to that. Makoto's existence and interference is what leads Rembrandt into walking a better path for now. Tomoe knows this but didn't tell Makoto because Rembrandt was useful and Makoto may not work with Rembrandt if he knew this during the earlier parts of the series. Rembrandt may have deserved bad things but his daughter didnt deserve to die like that even if they were ass. Rembrandt after meeting Makoto supports him so much not just because Makoto's power and because he's grateful it's because he believes that Makoto can be a good (morally) merchant without being an underhanded and two faced person like himself. Because Makoto has the power for it while Rembrandt could only reach where he is through evil methods. Meeting with Makoto also changes Rembrandt for the better.
But his wife/daughter nearly dying aren't taken as moral retribution. Rembrandt doesn't change his ways at all. He just doesn't have to be as brutal anymore. Yes at one point, Rembrandt and his friend claim to have higher "business ideals" when they were younger... But it was while he was young that Rembrandt engaged in horrendous murder and betrayal -- for which he never voices any regret. So his purported "business ideals" had no actual reality to him.

2. This is actually more effective for Slime than it is for Tsukimichi Rimuru has significantly more servants with primary reason is because of strength his personality is secondary. Makoto's subordinates aside from the main ones are all demihumans who are given opportunity to live in a wonderful place by Makoto of course they'd grateful and loyal to him. The second point applies to Makoto too and is more effective cuz of the world Makoto lives in.
But Makoto never particularly wants or works towards providing a place for demihumans. The initiative for that lies entirely with Tomoe, Ema, etc. Makoto just goes along with it. Which is the opposite of Rimuru who clearly states that as his goal and works hard to reach that ideal.

3. How tf is Merchant association being join us or fuck off not criticised and shown in a negative light ? The plot point revolving around them is literally about them is literally them being a insecure clique and wanting to put Makoto out because they feel threate by his bussiness. Which sours Makoto's relationship with Hyumans even more.
?? They're a normal business cartel. And normal procedure of such cartels is remove or at least control competitors. The author never criticizes that. They're "insecure" in the same way that any competitor is "insecure" -- of course someone can come along and hurt you if you let them -- so don't let them. That's what the author perceives as "normal business".

4. None of Makoto's main servant are morally good the closest is Tomoe who is morally neutral at best. Most of their morally good qualities come from being with Makoto. No shit they'd be like that. All of them might makes right kind of person.
What morally good qualities does Makoto have??

5. Makoto was a poor merchant most of what's supposed to be his job was being done by his servants while Makoto did bare minimum as a representative which is why in the future Makoto as a merchant is lot more prominent compared to now.
I already argued this.
6. Demons are like that because of Goddess being one sidedly biased. The story again criticises the goddess for being garbage and biased at maintaining balance. Demons are backed up to a corner and the hate between demons and hyumans have risen so much that the war may only stop when either hyumans or demons die out. Goddess teaching directly refer to demons and demihumans as lower beings which is why the discrimination against demons was so severe that they HAD to start wars and fight for barely liveable land which is how the whole war started and overtime has only grown worse.
In later volume, demons casually mention that

they wiped out every last person in a city because 'the survivors can't come back at you for revenge if there are no survivors'. (I'm paraphrasing.) (Also, IDK if those were humans, my impression was that they were different demi-humans.)


The story regularly criticises the messed up nature of the world and how so much is the results of that irresponsible goddess not doing her job right. The reason so much morally questionable things exist in the story is to put an emphasis on that aspects of the world. Makoto himself and others are not perfect character and while Makoto is strong it doesn't mean is mentally and emotionally invincible. He hates the world and dislikes hyumans specifically for that.
You're mistaking the story presenting "messed up nature of the world" with the story "criticizing the messed up nature of the world".

Again, this lack of criticism is more clear in the original work than in the manga or anime.
 
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Except he doesn't struggle. Neither he nor the author ever voice any moral objection. The only problems are 1) he's ugly (by that world's standards); 2) he's naive; 3) in a dog eat dog world, dogs try to eat him (just like everyone else).


But his wife/daughter nearly dying aren't taken as moral retribution. Rembrandt doesn't change his ways at all. He just doesn't have to be as brutal anymore. Yes at one point, Rembrandt and his friend claim to have higher "business ideals" when they were younger... But it was while he was young that Rembrandt engaged in horrendous murder and betrayal -- for which he never voices any regret. So his purported "business ideals" had no actual reality to him.


But Makoto never particularly wants or works towards providing a place for demihumans. The initiative for that lies entirely with Tomoe, Ema, etc. Makoto just goes along with it. Which is the opposite of Rimuru who clearly states that as his goal and works hard to reach that ideal.


?? They're a normal business cartel. And normal procedure of such cartels is remove or at least control competitors. The author never criticizes that. They're "insecure" in the same way that any competitor is "insecure" -- of course someone can come along and hurt you if you let them -- so don't let them. That's what the author perceives as "normal business".


What morally good qualities does Makoto have??


I already argued this.

In later volume, demons casually mention that

they wiped out every last person in a city because 'the survivors can't come back at you for revenge if there are no survivors'. (I'm paraphrasing.) (Also, IDK if those were humans, my impression was that they were different demi-humans.)



You're mistaking the story presenting "messed up nature of the world" with the story "criticizing the messed up nature of the world".

Again, this lack of criticism is more clear in the original work than in the manga or anime.
1. He does struggle as a businessman and he gets wound up in random bullshit here and there. Yes he clears them more easily than it would have been for others but it's not something he'd like to do. Because of Makoto's naivety kid tomoe and orc died, later due to his merchant inexperience Makoto is basically forced into a tough position in Rotsgard and him trusting Rona and getting betrayed and there's more future bullshit to come. These aren't extreme struggles but it's still struggles and events that the protagonist would rather not have and aren't a comedic setpiece but an important reflection of the world Makoto has stepped in. That berates Makoto for still not being used to things around him and not thinking carefully. All of this is a lesson that he learns overtime.

2. Dude it's the consequence of Rembrandt's action it's the most in your face textbook moral retribution for past misdeeds. The only difference is that it doesn't shove that in your face and emphasis the obvious and expects you to pick up on that.

3. What the actual fuck are you talking about did you read the series ? It was initially Tomoe's idea yes but Makoto also sees the place as a precious home where those who aren't liked in the world or are unfortunate can also live in. He literally says that he can't die cuz if he does he doesn't what will happen to the demiplane and it's residents and says that if anyone has to die let it just be him and not anyone else. He has properly taken the role of being Demiplane's ruler seriously after the female Adventurer thing. Because he finally understands how biased this world is. The whole mist gate thing is literally that.

4. They're clearly shown as bad guys who pushed Makoto away and it's framed as a bad thing because it literally pushes Makoto away from the Hyumans side as a whole which is a great loss for hyumans that they've yet to grasp in their ignorance and self centered ness. Dawg do you need everything spelled out to you.

6. What morally good qualities? Dude Makoto's prime reasoning for conducting business aside from (having enough money which was earlier in the story) is just to help people by selling them stuff for cheap, he and his people literally scout wastelands and demihuman areas and offer them to migrate, thier stores sells expensive medicines for cheap for the regular populace, his people go to impoverished areas to provide them high quality stuff for cheap, one of mist town's objective is to also help Adventurers in wasteland. Makoto is described as a person who'll help other doesn't if they need help but because of his experiences with hyumans he's become more biased towards Demihumans and against hyumans.
Makoto does have moral flaws but aside from that he does try to do good things just because they're good. He also saves Lime's orphanage.

7. Wasn't much of an argument.

8. Yeah and? The entire point is the reason demons are like this is because of extreme discrimination and bias of goddess towards hyumans which have made it so they have to rely on brutal methods to ensure their position and safety.

The original work literally brings up multiple of these points and these this are portrayed as something that's negative both Mio and Tomoe say that hyumans foolishness and self centeredness costed them dearly. You think they're not criticised because the story doesn't outright tell you bad shit wrong and expects you to figure that out. The world is twisted because of a force like goddess and Makoto's existence is something that's im opposition to everything the goddess values.
 
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1. He does struggle as a businessman and he gets wound up in random bullshit here and there. Yes he clears them more easily than it would have been for others but it's not something he'd like to do. Because of Makoto's naivety kid tomoe and orc died, later due to his merchant inexperience Makoto is basically forced into a tough position in Rotsgard and him trusting Rona and getting betrayed and there's more future bullshit to come. These aren't extreme struggles but it's still struggles and events that the protagonist would rather not have and aren't a comedic setpiece but an important reflection of the world Makoto has stepped in. That berates Makoto for still not being used to things around him and not thinking carefully. All of this is a lesson that he learns overtime.

2. Dude it's the consequence of Rembrandt's action it's the most in your face textbook moral retribution for past misdeeds. The only difference is that it doesn't shove that in your face and emphasis the obvious and expects you to pick up on that.

3. What the actual fuck are you talking about did you read the series ? It was initially Tomoe's idea yes but Makoto also sees the place as a precious home where those who aren't liked in the world or are unfortunate can also live in. He literally says that he can't die cuz if he does he doesn't what will happen to the demiplane and it's residents and says that if anyone has to die let it just be him and not anyone else. He has properly taken the role of being Demiplane's ruler seriously after the female Adventurer thing. Because he finally understands how biased this world is. The whole mist gate thing is literally that.

4. They're clearly shown as bad guys who pushed Makoto away and it's framed as a bad thing because it literally pushes Makoto away from the Hyumans side as a whole which is a great loss for hyumans that they've yet to grasp in their ignorance and self centered ness. Dawg do you need everything spelled out to you.

6. What morally good qualities? Dude Makoto's prime reasoning for conducting business aside from (having enough money which was earlier in the story) is just to help people by selling them stuff for cheap, he and his people literally scout wastelands and demihuman areas and offer them to migrate, thier stores sells expensive medicines for cheap for the regular populace, his people go to impoverished areas to provide them high quality stuff for cheap, one of mist town's objective is to also help Adventurers in wasteland. Makoto is described as a person who'll help other doesn't if they need help but because of his experiences with hyumans he's become more biased towards Demihumans and against hyumans.
Makoto does have moral flaws but aside from that he does try to do good things just because they're good. He also saves Lime's orphanage.

7. Wasn't much of an argument.

8. Yeah and? The entire point is the reason demons are like this is because of extreme discrimination and bias of goddess towards hyumans which have made it so they have to rely on brutal methods to ensure their position and safety.

The original work literally brings up multiple of these points and these this are portrayed as something that's negative both Mio and Tomoe say that hyumans foolishness and self centeredness costed them dearly. You think they're not criticised because the story doesn't outright tell you bad shit wrong and expects you to figure that out. The world is twisted because of a force like goddess and Makoto's existence is something that's im opposition to everything the goddess values.
The short response here is: You keep reading moral lessons into a story that doesn't have any.

Sometimes stories are: "This happened, and then MC did something in response." without any moral lesson. This is one of those.

There's no point in arguing it endlessly. Readers can make up their own minds as they go along.
 
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The short response here is: You keep reading moral lessons into a story that doesn't have any.

Sometimes stories are: "This happened, and then MC did something in response." without any moral lesson. This is one of those.

There's no point in arguing it endlessly. Readers can make up their own minds as they go along.
Brother you're looking for a children's cartoon about moral lessons that's not the type of story this is. This is a story of a impressionable teenager forced to transfer to a shitty world with different values trying to live a life with shenanigans happening around him.

You're not a child that needs to reminded of morals (I assume) everytime something morally bad happens. It's a shitty world which plays onto the fact that it's shitty to create interesting settings and conflicts which is it's appeal. The story isn't always gonna treat you like a 4th grade student who can't analyse basic story themes.

What you're looking for is a children's educational show for children who don't know basic morality.
 
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The anime really skipped a lot of the sides of this series... :meguuusad:

The guild master of the merchant guide isn't really a stuck-up nobleman and a corrupt man at that when I read page 23... The anime really disrespected the source... rip man.
 
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Thanks a lot!! Funny enough the manga is quite better than both the anime and LN, the fact that it actually takes the time for the side characters is a strong point.
 
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Thanks for the chapter, Pink Frog.



Less a fool and more a Japanese sensibility to it. Being an island nature, Japanese culture favors not rocking the boat. In that sense, Makoto isn't great on account of rocking the boat through insensitivity and lack of awareness.

For some reason, I never considered this in my many contemplations of the vexingly dogged insistence on harmony of the Japanese. It's considerable food for thought--you have my gratitude for it.



It's also worth keeping in mind that the backstabbing part, at least that we were shown, is not in the novel or anime, it was added to the manga to explain why someone would have such a strong hatred for rembrandt to attack his more or less innocent family, so how canon it is to his actual personality must be kept in mind.

Could you or--anyone else willing--refresh my memory (or, really, inform me--I don't think I ever had a solid understanding of what happened) regarding Rembrandt's history with respect to what made him such a fan-favorite character?
 
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Thanks for the chapter, Pink Frog.





For some reason, I never considered this in my many contemplations of the vexingly dogged insistence on harmony of the Japanese. It's considerable food for thought--you have my gratitude for it.





Could you or--anyone else willing--refresh my memory (or, really, inform me--I don't think I ever had a solid understanding of what happened) regarding Rembrandt's history with respect to what made him such a fan-favorite character?
I don't know if rembrandt being a "fan favorite" is a thing, however his absolute loyalty and trust in the mc, combined with the fact that the mc is really the only man he considers worthy of his daughters as a papa bear probably plays a part.
 
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I don't know if rembrandt being a "fan favorite" is a thing, however his absolute loyalty and trust in the mc, combined with the fact that the mc is really the only man he considers worthy of his daughters as a papa bear probably plays a part.

He's not--what I said was an instance of verbal irony. lol I wanted a refresher on those elements of Rembrandt's history that have gotten so many people (not just here) on his case.
 
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He's not--what I said was an instance of verbal irony. lol I wanted a refresher on those elements of Rembrandt's history that have gotten so many people (not just here) on his case.
Oh, that.
So at least in the manga, can't comment on novels, rembrandt basically "got rid" of his first wife or something like that to take over her fortune.
 
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He's not--what I said was an instance of verbal irony. lol I wanted a refresher on those elements of Rembrandt's history that have gotten so many people (not just here) on his case.
Rembrandt rise to power was infiltrating a bigger merchant company and get close to them, the father and the daughter pair, he pretty much kills the father and ruins the "boyfriend" of the daughter in the process, so he gets closer to her and doing that pretty much takes over their business, so the last step is to k!ll the daughter and he pretty much turns into the bigger merchant in Tsige thanks to dad, and after all that blood, he brings his future wife to that place.

the "boyfriend" watches when the merchant's daughter is k!lled and is apparently silenced, but he survives and holds a grudge for years to send a curse to Rembrandt's family.

we all get this information because Tomoe read the butler's mind when they try to investigate Makoto a little after he solves all his problems.
I would say Rembrandt is kinda liked because he also hates on the goddess and is ready to help Makoto, like even if he was a POS, he's like one of the "good" hyumans, pretty much because he learned the hardway to not follow the bug goddess teachings.
 
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@Tatsuya-Kai, @Knighto--thanks for the information.

Do you remember the chapters over which this happened? I'd like to reread it.
no problem (reread the manga not so long ago)... ch.20 for the outside POV (merchant girl telling the story to makoto)
and ch.26-27 for the flashback (I mean ch.26 is where tomoe catches the butler, but ch.27 is where the backstory is shown)
 
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no problem (reread the manga not so long ago)... ch.20 for the outside POV (merchant girl telling the story to makoto)
and ch.26-27 for the flashback (I mean ch.26 is where tomoe catches the butler, but ch.27 is where the backstory is shown)

Thank you.
 

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