Watashi no Hatsukoi wa Hazukashisugite Darenimo Ienai - Vol. 2 Ch. 10

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How where they even friends?
simple. She emotionally abused him for years and thinking that nobody else would like him/be his friend whenever ever anyone did want to date him or be friends with him. She would outright bash and insult him and probably just make up lies about him so that she could keep him for herself.

its basically the plot of: I'm Sick and Tired of My Childhood Friend's, Now Girlfriend's, Constant Abuse, so I Broke up With Her
 
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simple. She emotionally abused him for years and thinking that nobody else would like him/be his friend whenever ever anyone did want to date him or be friends with him. She would outright bash and insult him and probably just make up lies about him so that she could keep him for herself.

its basically the plot of: I'm Sick and Tired of My Childhood Friend's, Now Girlfriend's, Constant Abuse, so I Broke up With Her
Is not the first time the author write such character, just read/watch Oreimo.
 
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Is it only me or why does it feel like some textboxes in pages 13 are mixed up ? Maybe I missremember, but Chiaki is the only one who switched sex, Mei didn't.
Good catch, indeed one or two bubbles got mixed! I'll swap in a fixed page in a few.

Edit: Pushed a new page. Sorry about that! Tis what I get for rushing the chs out before bed :D
 
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Is not the first time the author write such character, just read/watch Oreimo.
(please forgive this text wall of a post, this is something I've been thinking about all day already and using this as an excuse to talk about it. I was going to type something like this up anyway, you just helped me bring it up.)

I was thinking about this myself, but I don't quite agree. On the surface Kirino and Mei seem comparable -- coming from a place of the author idealizing a loud, ungrateful and self-centered girl. I do think both probably appeal to the author for similar reasons. A major difference is that Kirino never manipulates or forces Kyousuke to wrap his whole life around her. He does it pretty much all of his own volition and arguably going way too far with it. Even Kirino is a bit weirded out by it. In the end, the repeated sabotage to Kyousuke's personal life over Kirino comes about by Kyousuke's own will. Similar circumstance vis-a-vis Chiaki and Mei certainly, but it's the difference between being stabbed by someone and impaling yourself on a spike from a running start.

Regarding Kirino, the otaku culture aspect of Japan of 2010 really is remarkably nothing like it is today. Back in the 00's and 10's it was a lot more straight-laced, sex-negative, anti-LGBT and intense internal sensitivity about Japan's perceived outside image to western (especially American) societies. Kirino having deviant interests and being clearly non-straight despite having to maintain the reputation of a first class student... yeah, immense pressure on a teenager. She's intensely vulnerable and endangered in a time where just being herself would've been social suicide. Her fears of rejection pretty much proven when Ayase, her best friend, turns out completely hostile and disgusted by the small glimpse she gets of the "true" Kirino. In light of the social dangers she's in, her effective isolation and just being an immature teenager in general I find myself inclined to forgive Kirino's selfishness.
I think Oreimo actually did a good job of helping put to light Kirino's plight and it was part of a culture shift away from that self-censoring, otaku-loathing puritanism. I think the transformation really hit its full speed around 2017. That's when NieR: Automata came out and was well received in both Japan and the west despite Yoko Taro's team not making any attempt to self-censor. That's also the year vtubers begin to make their first appearances and... well... the rest is history. Shameless vtubers have done a lot to be a blazing beacon of comfort in a world that's been feeling increasingly dark even to this day. But I digress.


tl;dr -- Kirino deserves a gentle flick on the forehead. Mei deserves to be thrown down a flight of concrete stairs during a thunderstorm.
 
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FFS Mei, if Chiaki is enjoying being a girl and says it feels right it's none of your business. Between Mei pushing her homophobic hostility and her having previously spread rumors about Chiaki in order to intentionally sabotage her reputation... yeah, ditch this toxic bint. You want nothing to do with people like that.

Chiaki is just way too nice for her own damn good.

EDIT: I just skimmed it again. Mei physically assaults Chiaki and demands she turn back to a man. There is a line between tsun-tsun and outright abuse and she's well since crossed it even without assault on her rap sheet. On that note? NEVER hit someone in the stomach so hard that they double over. Sharp blunt force trauma to that part of your body can cause internal bleeding and possibly even organ damage. If this wasn't a slapstick manga Mei potentially could've made Chiaki's cover story accurate.
You aren't technically wrong, if she were a real person and all of this was really happening she'd be a homophobic, transphobic, abusive monster.

Fortunately it isn't real and she's made up. There's a definite problem in the way authors themselves downplay how awful the "X can't date X!" tried cliché is towards lgbt rights, but that isn't changing anytime soon and whipping yourself up into a tizzy isn't doing anybody any favours.
 
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Fortunately it isn't real and she's made up. There's a definite problem in the way authors themselves downplay how awful the "X can't date X!" tried cliché is towards lgbt rights, but that isn't changing anytime soon and whipping yourself up into a tizzy isn't doing anybody any favours.
I'm not sure why you're assuming I wrote any of that post "in a tizzy". Isn't that kind of adjacent to calling someone "hysterical" in the 1800's sense? I'm not offended this story exists or anything. In fact I fully intend to stick with this story, because Chiaki is such a delightful protagonist. I want to see her journey. It's actually kind of unique reading a manga with a shining protagonist and a mid-to-dogshit support cast, I'm used to the inverse being true. Who knows, maybe we'll see Mei get better or confronted with her nonsense. The author has done similar in the past. (Ayase was initially unbearable in Oreimo but definitely gets better as the story goes on)

As to not doing "anybody any favours" by expressing my feelings, I don't really agree. I think people who might've felt the same way and scrolled down to this forum thread might've felt a sense of validation for me having said what they were already thinking. Proactively providing solidarity for fellow LGBT+ readers is one of my favorite reasons for commenting on MD threads. Regardless, for me art is best enjoyed in an active way where everything is analyzed and discussed intently. That approach isn't for everybody though and I don't judge anyone who just wants to sit back and enjoy the ride.
 
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Good catch, indeed one or two bubbles got mixed! I'll swap in a fixed page in a few.

Edit: Pushed a new page. Sorry about that! Tis what I get for rushing the chs out before bed :D
Better, but reading the first panel on that very page still feels pretty weird. Can you check the raws?

From a logical point of view, those bubbles seem to be Chiaki replying to what Mei said the page before. And Mei's reaction shown in the background indicate that it hit the spot. But the current text reads like Mei was the boy who became a girl... I think that panel's monologue (from left to right) would be more like this:

A: Well, Mei... {even if Chiaki doesn't address her in the raw, it should be made clear who is talking here}
B: if you insist, I agree with you there...
C: but isn't it because of you {or "your fault"} that I was completely unpopular as a man
D: and have to try a different approach now?

or alternatively:
C: but wasn't it you who made me so unpopular as a man
D: that I have to try a different approach now?
 
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childhood friend is cute but lol how she just played him through out middle school she should have just said how she truly felt

but now the real fun can begin
 
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I might, though my current priority would more be catching up with the raws--they're at chapter 20 currently! If I end up doing the next 10 (big if, no promises!!) I might go back and do 5 but it'd be a while away probably.
Thank you so much for the chapters! Would you consider redoing 6 and 7 too? The typesetting's not the best and I think the scanlator implied it was MTL

Also, two suggestions:
  • On Pg 13, "light years" is two words
  • The dashes on Pg 13 and 15 would probably be better as commas
 
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Kaede is a real chad for being so calm despite that lump of pure meat between her legs.
If it were me i would probably make an excuse to be sick for a long time
 

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