Welcome Back, Alice - Vol. 2 Ch. 10 - Liking

[SunnyD88]

What do these two see in the MC lmao

 

[Lotus00]

@SunnyD88 Reread the chapter; It's pretty much told to us that Mitani doesn't really romantically like Yo. She's just pushing the idea of her liking Yo and entering a relationship with him to get back at Kei for what he did back in the day (i.e ruining the friendship between the three of them, shitting over the feelings she had about Kei, and bailing to Tokyo for three years.)

Kei messed with her feefees, so now Mitani wants to mess with his feelings by dating Yo since she knows he's the one that Kei actually likes. Not that the plan seems to be working from Kei's responses about the matter.

 

[onthedot]

Honestly, i'm kinda sick of Oshimi Shuzo mc all having the same wimpy character. Tho this this one is like an extension of himself so it's kinda excusable

 

[makc123]

@Lotus00 I really hope this is the case, because if she just wants to date Yo out of nowhere, it is an ass pull that makes no sense to anyone but Yo somehow.

 

[anuar_kumadesu]

sure2 gay

 

[Lotus00]

@makc123 This whole mess was all premeditated in the first place. Kei knew he was going to leave to Tokyo with his parents and liked Yo from the beginning, so what he did do in the end?

Kei knew Yo liked Mitani, so he pulled that stunt on him (playing with Mitani's feelings and kissing her) to make sure that Yo and Mitani would not progress at all while he was gone. And it worked; for three years, the relationship between Yo and Mitani crumbled and they stopped talking to each other.

Just enough time for Kei to transform and come back to convert Yo into accepting his femboy ass. The lesson? Don't fuck with traps, they'll play you like a clown.

 

[makc123]

@Lotus00 to me it looked like he kissed her to check if he would get an erecion or something. and when he did not, he went with all this transvestite idea

 

[Remy88Lebeau]

Oohh before she just watched (kiss) but now she is jumping in between (like mc)

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Wait wha? 😮 she actually likes him

 

[LordofAlI]

yo

 

[nyamcam]

I think despite Kei's mysterious airs, they really o crave some kind of connection with Yo. Even when they were younger and Mitani kissed them, Kei didn't seem affected nowhere near as much as with Yo, all blushing and laughing. I wonder what happened in those 3 years...

 

[Marxofcain]

I don't think Shimizu is being transphobic, bc pretty much all his characters are lust demons in every one of his works.

 

[abyssSeeker]

Bro, you gotta set your boundaries, especially if you want to develop a relationship with Mitani. Or else she's going to be hurt, again.... and this time it would be really humiliating. I imagine it would be pretty humiliating for a straight woman if her man, leaves her for another man.

Guys, it seems to me, or did the author just call lust synonymous with attraction to queer people?

@brainman I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but to me personally, the plot also began to resemble a sequence of erotic fantasies.

No man, from what I'm understanding he's saying lust to mean being so horny anything can get him off. Even if it's a guy touching him (and he's straight/or at least believes he is). Nothing to do with being attracted to being queer. Even just something touching his nether regions could make him cum, something not even sexual. I've personally never

 

[SuperOniichan]

Bro, you gotta set your boundaries, especially if you want to develop a relationship with Mitani. Or else she's going to be hurt, again.... and this time it would be really humiliating. I imagine it would be pretty humiliating for a straight woman if her man, leaves her for another man.


No man, from what I'm understanding he's saying lust to mean being so horny anything can get him off. Even if it's a guy touching him (and he's straight/or at least believes he is). Nothing to do with being attracted to being queer. Even just something touching his nether regions could make him cum, something not even sexual. I've personally never

But doesn't that create the implication of "I'm so horny, so I'll sleep with another guy" anyway?

 

[abyssSeeker]

But doesn't that create the implication of "I'm so horny, so I'll sleep with another guy" anyway?

Basically he'll get off with anything. Nothing to do with orientation, even a girl he might not find attractive, but could make him horny. I do kinda understand the feeling when I was in my teens to some extent. When you have overexposed yourself to pornography or masturbating that you just can't stop thinking about it sex, and just about anything can set you off, giving you a boner (since you horny). That's why I'm saying it's nothing to do with sexual preference/orientation or being judgemental. It's just an adolescent experience when you have basically screwed your mind up with too much masturbation and/or porn. At least that's how I understood that from what was being expressed in the chapter.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Basically he'll get off with anything. Nothing to do with orientation, even a girl he might not find attractive, but could make him horny. I do kinda understand the feeling when I was in my teens to some extent. When you have overexposed yourself to pornography or masturbating that you just can't stop thinking about it sex, and just about anything can set you off, giving you a boner (since you horny). That's why I'm saying it's nothing to do with sexual preference/orientation or being judgemental. It's just an adolescent experience when you have basically screwed your mind up with too much masturbation and/or porn. At least that's how I understood that from what was being expressed in the chapter.

I don't quite understand how this negates my words, because it's still "I only find you hot because I'm too horny."

 

[abyssSeeker]

I don't quite understand how this negates my words, because it's still "I only find you hot because I'm too horny."

Well your initial comment was about the author implying lust is synonymous with queer people which IMO makes zero sense and is definitely not what I got from the chapter. Lust isn't synonymous with a specific sexual orientation, it is about a state of being. When you are just chasing that feeling of sexual pleasure, that's what lust is and you don't have to be any specific orientation to experience it, or not. I'd even say it's not even about finding someone or something hot or attractive anymore as long as it give you pleasure. Lust like any other deadly sin is selfish, self-pleasing and personal, you don't necessarily have to find the person you are lusting attractive in fact. You are only using them as an object for your pleasure.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Well your initial comment was about the author implying lust is synonymous with queer people which IMO makes zero sense and is definitely not what I got from the chapter. Lust isn't synonymous with a specific sexual orientation, it is about a state of being. When you are just chasing that feeling of sexual pleasure, that's what lust is and you don't have to be any specific orientation to experience it, or not. I'd even say it's not even about finding someone or something hot or attractive anymore as long as it give you pleasure. Lust like any other deadly sin is selfish, self-pleasing and personal, you don't necessarily have to find the person you are lusting attractive in fact. You are only using them as an object for your pleasure.

You attribute to me an implication for which I unequivocally scolded the author. And yes, the attempt to justify the “transformation” of straight people into gays by lust is quite common in anime and manga.

 

[abyssSeeker]

Guys, it seems to me, or did the author just call lust synonymous with attraction to queer people?

@brainman I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but to me personally, the plot also began to resemble a sequence of erotic fantasies.

Brah, isn't this you? This is what I've been responding to the whole time, and I'm saying that's clearly not what the author is saying.
I think if you read the later chapters I you'll finally see where the author was getting at with this.
It's not about Yo being turned on by Kei or by Mitani. It's not about the gender or orientation. It's about the agony of being ensnared by lust. When lust has got such a hold on you that you can barely function or think straight without needing to get off.
That is the frustration that Yohei was expressing.
It not about lust being "synonymous with attraction to queer people". That's not what the author is going with this and I'm sure you'll see it later on.

You attribute to me an implication for which I unequivocally scolded the author. And yes, the attempt to justify the “transformation” of straight people into gays by lust is quite common in anime and manga.

I didn't attribute to you anything, I was just disagreeing that what you said isn't what the author is saying. Once again, if you read on, you'll find that the idea of lust being explored here is much broader than that. It's actually more about a person's state of mind, how they feel, and if they are happy with themselves. True what you say about other manga, but not this one. At least I haven't even got a hint of that and I'm now on chapter 33. Almost at the end.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Brah, isn't this you? This is what I've been responding to the whole time, and I'm saying that's clearly not what the author is saying.
I think if you read the later chapters I you'll finally see where the author was getting at with this.
It's not about Yo being turned on by Kei or by Mitani. It's not about the gender or orientation. It's about the agony of being ensnared by lust. When lust has got such a hold on you that you can barely function or think straight without needing to get off.
That is the frustration that Yohei was expressing.
It not about lust being "synonymous with attraction to queer people". That's not what the author is going with this and I'm sure you'll see it later on.

I didn't attribute to you anything, I was just disagreeing that what you said isn't what the author is saying. Once again, if you read on, you'll find that the idea of lust being explored here is much broader than that. It's actually more about a person's state of mind, how they feel, and if they are happy with themselves. True what you say about other manga, but not this one. At least I haven't even got a hint of that and I'm now on chapter 33. Almost at the end.

Well, that’s what you do, first you attribute to me the logic of the author’s alleged statement, and when I deny it, you try to dispute this logic, as if missing the very fact that these are not my words at all. Please don't waste my time.

 

[abyssSeeker]

Well, that’s what you do, first you attribute to me the logic of the author’s alleged statement, and when I deny it, you try to dispute this logic, as if missing the very fact that these are not my words at all. Please don't waste my time.

You are the one replying me, so I could as well humor you until you are done.
I never attributed the author's logic to you. All I've been doing was trying to elaborate the author's theme and not what you think they are trying to say. If you don't want your time wasted then you don't have to reply.
Lol, you don't even have to read my reply to begin with.